Yea another Tyson thread..

[BIG H]

A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.

And what impact he had on boxing.

They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.

he wasn't

a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic

It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.

I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.

Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.

As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.

Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo

Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion

[ICB]

A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.

And what impact he had on boxing.

They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.

he wasn't

a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic

It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.

I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.

Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.

As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.

Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo

Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion

Tony Tucker broke his right hand after the 4th round, he was ahead after 4 rounds. And after the broken hand he went into a defensive shell, so you can't honestly tell me that his broken hand didn't effect him, especially considering he was up against Mike Tyson for crying out loud. But Tony Tucker still managed to win the last round with a broken hand, and survive 3 quarters of the fight with a broken hand takes bottle. Especially up against someone like Mike Tyson.

[El Kabong]

Mike Tyson is one of the guys who got me into boxing as well but I just hate when people overstate what he was. He was a champion and a good one, he wasn't the greatest he wasn't close to being the best, he's better than most but he had a short prime and after losing to Buster Douglas he never did anything I think was all that great or worth notice besides losing to Holyfield and Lewis and obviously fighters don't get credit for losing.

I think had he fought some different fighters int he 1990's he wouldn't even have made it to Holyfield. Ray Mercer springs to mind as a guy who wasn't all that great who could have beaten Tyson up.

There were a ton of fighters I would have loved to see him take on: Moorer, Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, Briggs, Rahman, Ruiz, Tua, and maybe even Wladimir and Vitali.

[rjj tszyu]

Mike Tyson is one of the guys who got me into boxing as well but I just hate when people overstate what he was. He was a champion and a good one, he wasn't the greatest he wasn't close to being the best, he's better than most but he had a short prime and after losing to Buster Douglas he never did anything I think was all that great or worth notice besides losing to Holyfield and Lewis and obviously fighters don't get credit for losing.

I think had he fought some different fighters int he 1990's he wouldn't even have made it to Holyfield. Ray Mercer springs to mind as a guy who wasn't all that great who could have beaten Tyson up.

There were a ton of fighters I would have loved to see him take on: Moorer, Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, Briggs, Rahman, Ruiz, Tua, and maybe even Wladimir and Vitali.

I always wanted to see him fight Witherspoon!

[Master]

Mike Tyson is one of the guys who got me into boxing as well but I just hate when people overstate what he was. He was a champion and a good one, he wasn't the greatest he wasn't close to being the best, he's better than most but he had a short prime and after losing to Buster Douglas he never did anything I think was all that great or worth notice besides losing to Holyfield and Lewis and obviously fighters don't get credit for losing.

I think had he fought some different fighters int he 1990's he wouldn't even have made it to Holyfield. Ray Mercer springs to mind as a guy who wasn't all that great who could have beaten Tyson up.

There were a ton of fighters I would have loved to see him take on: Moorer, Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, Briggs, Rahman, Ruiz, Tua, and maybe even Wladimir and Vitali.

I always wanted to see him fight Witherspoon!

He would have beat him too, if Witherspoon had beaten Bonecrusher.

[Spicoli]

Mike Tyson is one of the guys who got me into boxing as well but I just hate when people overstate what he was. He was a champion and a good one, he wasn't the greatest he wasn't close to being the best, he's better than most but he had a short prime and after losing to Buster Douglas he never did anything I think was all that great or worth notice besides losing to Holyfield and Lewis and obviously fighters don't get credit for losing.

I think had he fought some different fighters int he 1990's he wouldn't even have made it to Holyfield. Ray Mercer springs to mind as a guy who wasn't all that great who could have beaten Tyson up.

There were a ton of fighters I would have loved to see him take on: Moorer, Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, Briggs, Rahman, Ruiz, Tua, and maybe even Wladimir and Vitali.

I always wanted to see him fight Witherspoon!

He would have beat him too, if Witherspoon had beaten Bonecrusher.

I could just see Tysons double lefts creating carnage on Witherspoons often inconsistant body.He'd have to walk through some harsh right crosses but I think Tyson KO's Witherspoon.

[Master]

A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.

And what impact he had on boxing.

They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.

he wasn't

a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic

It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.

I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.

Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.

As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.

Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo

Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion

Tony Tucker broke his right hand after the 4th round, he was ahead after 4 rounds. And after the broken hand he went into a defensive shell, so you can't honestly tell me that his broken hand didn't effect him, especially considering he was up against Mike Tyson for crying out loud. But Tony Tucker still managed to win the last round with a broken hand, and survive 3 quarters of the fight with a broken hand takes bottle. Especially up against someone like Mike Tyson.

You always bring this up. He broke his hand, so did Clottey against Marg, does not mean Tyson would not have caught up with him anyway. Maybe it was a blessing, because Tucker may have opened himself up for a KO.

[BIG H]

They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.

he wasn't

a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic

It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.

I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.

Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.

As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.

Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo

Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion

Tony Tucker broke his right hand after the 4th round, he was ahead after 4 rounds. And after the broken hand he went into a defensive shell, so you can't honestly tell me that his broken hand didn't effect him, especially considering he was up against Mike Tyson for crying out loud. But Tony Tucker still managed to win the last round with a broken hand, and survive 3 quarters of the fight with a broken hand takes bottle. Especially up against someone like Mike Tyson.

You always bring this up. He broke his hand, so did Clottey against Marg, does not mean Tyson would not have caught up with him anyway. Maybe it was a blessing, because Tucker may have opened himself up for a KO.

Yep it's the old if my Aunty had bollox she'd be my uncle routine. Broken hands go numb after a round anyway, so he shouldn't have bothered him