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Apart from the odd journey stateside from nigel and a trip or 2 into europe from eubank they exclusively only ever fought in the UK and thus lost out on a huge following stateside.
But growing up i was exclusively brought up around these 2 fighters (along with bruno) believing they were the best of the best as its all we really ever had in britain up until the introduction of cable TV
Did america ever really give the due dillegence to these 2 guys and what they acheived inside the ring???
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
IMO most American fans did not rate Benn or Ebank coz they think a fighter has to fight on US soil to prove there worth.
I think a guy like Eubank would have received a lot more attention in North America if he had fought just about anywhere else than the WBO Super-Middleweight Division. Sure fighting stateside might have helped his profile in the US, but having high profile Americans to fight is the real issue, not where they fight. Example: Alan Minter had a fairly high profile in North America
Americans are so stupid.
Benn did fight here, five or six times, the Barkley one obviously. I think most boxing fans, Americans or not, see Benn for what he was, a good very exciting fighter, that had some limitations but its not like he's "not rated", obviously everyone that was a serious boxing fan saw the Barkley fight, the Eubank fights, the McClellan fight.
Eubank the same, rated, probably higher in some ways than Benn but maybe didn't have the wars that Benn did, outside of the Eubank-Benn fights obviously. As far as "did we really value" them, I'm not even sure what that means but there both thought of as good fighters.
But Nigel Benn did prove his worth on USA soil, beating dangerous guys like Iran Barkey, Doug DeWitt, he also beat the top American fighter Gerald McClellan.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
IMO most American fans did not rate Benn or Ebank coz they think a fighter has to fight on US soil to prove there worth.
If this forum existed back then it would be crazy with Benn, Eubank, Toney and Jones
Personally i always thought Toney and Roy would beat both.. but that's partly through having an "America is best" mindset. Being young it's far easier to fall for the HYPE. And America is the undisputed DADDY of hype.
When Benn beat McClellan (i thought there was more chance of an alien invasion than Benn winning) i started to cotton on ;)
I was only young but i remember the hype surronding that fight, about Nigel Benn leaving the ring in a body bag. And Nigel Benn being hypnotized ETC, i never watched the fight but the hype was crazy as i remember it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Anyone that knew boxing knew Benn had NO chance. Only MUGS thought Benn could win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI was only young but i remember the hype surronding that fight, about Nigel Benn leaving the ring in a body bag. And Nigel Benn being hypnotized ETC, i never watched the fight but the hype was crazy as i remember it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I lost about a weeks wages.
And even though i was cheering for Benn after the first, everyone i know absolutely SLAUGHTERED me ;D
Americans are stupid????Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So stupid we kicked your asses in the Revolutionary war and protected your sorry asses in WW2 from being ass fucked by the Germans
Revolutionary War was actually more/less a draw so i heard, and you guys only entered WW2 because you got bombed, not because you was saving are asses. And no one country saved anyone's asses, pretty silly logic there Daxx. Im being sarcastic by the way and isn't Oumafan American anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAmericans are stupid????Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So stupid we kicked your asses in the Revolutionary war and protected your sorry asses in WW2 from being ass fucked by the Germans
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAmericans are stupid????Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So stupid we kicked your asses in the Revolutionary war and protected your sorry asses in WW2 from being ass fucked by the Germans
:lol:
What part of the UK is OumaFan from?
;D haha, I'm American.
I don't know why, I just didn't assume anyone would take that seriously.
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Originally Posted by ICBRevolutionary War was actually more/less a draw so i heard, and you guys only entered WW2 because you got bombed, not because you was saving are asses. And no one country saved anyone's asses, pretty silly logic there Daxx. Im being sarcastic by the way and isn't Oumafan American anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAmericans are stupid????Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So stupid we kicked your asses in the Revolutionary war and protected your sorry asses in WW2 from being ass fucked by the Germans
I am not in anyway serious with what I said just stirring the pot mate...(why I say that word is beyone me I am from NY but from posting here it has become a habit:-\)....Don't know where Ouma is from TBH....Don't care.........
BTW Cotton Hill would argue all of your points when it came to war....Actually he is the one I got the comments from..
Two fighters who rarely got seen on live free TV, in an unpopular at the time division, who had the majority of their career happen before you could just stream fights.
You cant underappreciate what you cannot see
With all the Americans are stupid sillyness aside....I don't think it was so much on they were not appreciated it has to do with marketing and promoters...lack of cable TV etc....If there was PPV or HBO/Showtime in every home back then like today American audiences would have seen more of them to actually appreciate...
Also back in the day when Chris was in hisn prime we had our own stars on the rise and the HW scene had Tyson, Holyfield etc.....
Today they woukd be both huge stars
Me too Daxx plus i haven't got a clue about history, i left school at 16. And the last time i probably took history serious was probably when i was 14, so you don't need to pull out any quotes or ETC, because its a safe bet im wrong ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBRevolutionary War was actually more/less a draw so i heard, and you guys only entered WW2 because you got bombed, not because you was saving are asses. And no one country saved anyone's asses, pretty silly logic there Daxx. Im being sarcastic by the way and isn't Oumafan American anyway ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I am not in anyway serious with what I said just stirring the pot mate...(why I say that word is beyone me I am from NY but from posting here it has become a habit:-\)....Don't know where Ouma is from TBH....Don't care.........
BTW Cotton Hill would argue all of your points when it came to war....Actually he is the one I got the comments from..
Honestly, I wish these guys would have come along now. I saw Benn a couple times on TV but never had the chance to see Eubank. I recall having to wait 2-3 months for the boxing mags to report on the outcome of their fight - those were the old days! I recall being surprised to see Chris had KO'd Benn.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by ICBMe too Daxx plus i haven't got a clue about history, i left school at 16. And the last time i probably took history serious was probably when i was 14, so you don't need to pull out any quotes or ETC, because its a safe bet im wrong ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I am not in anyway serious with what I said just stirring the pot mate...(why I say that word is beyone me I am from NY but from posting here it has become a habit:-\)....Don't know where Ouma is from TBH....Don't care.........
BTW Cotton Hill would argue all of your points when it came to war....Actually he is the one I got the comments from..
Cotton Hill is a TV cartoon from the show King of the Hill..
http://origin.fox.com/kingofthehill/bios/cotton.htm
He is an ex war vet who had his shins shot off in WW2
they were actually comparing him and another charechter Peggy to John McCain and Sara Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9dq159XFYk
Benn is one of my all time favourite fighters, but I always felt both Benn & Eubank would lose to Nunn, Toney, Jones Jnr, & McCallum - but then Benn went and beat McClellan - go figure :-\
Clearly Ouma, you're the most Un-American American on the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I think you should invest in taking American lessons.
I'll speak to Lyle, Daxx and Rozzysean for ya ;D
Michael Nunn just before the Sumbu Kalambay fight, would of flattened our boys no problem. A non lazy James Toney would as would Mike McCallum, prime RJJ. Your pretty much right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I still think McClellan would have done Ben in the first had it not been in my back yard, the East End.Quote:
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Benn staged one of the most amazing comebacks I've seen but the French ref really helped him out of that first round. Allowed him to contantly duck below the waistline, wouldn't let McClellan at Benn to finish him off etc.
I too was also bought up on Benn and Eubank...didn't know any other fighters existed :D Kinda reminds me of most of us Brits now lol
Nigel Benn had that crossover appeal while Eubank was always abit of an enigma - more known by name rather like Darius M.
Benn gained respect for his style of fighting and because he fought in the States. I always remember him having pretty good coverage and a reputation from the US boxing magazines.
Benn is timeless and priceless....in my all time top 3 favs ever.Put it this way,Ive had a 15 yr old cat from the time he was a kitten...Name is Nigel ;D..... :-X
Eubanks?? F!!!! em
I'm 21 now and began watching boxing when I was around 12 or 13. Before coming on this forum 3 years ago, I had never even heard of Nigel Benn or Chris Eubank.
But since hearing about them and seeing the Benn vs. Barkley fight, and some more of him on youtube, I decided to order his career set last week, and I've watched most of his fights on there and I love the guy.
Nigel Benn was an animal with one punch KO power in either hand and a warrior's heart.
Also his fight with Eubank proved that Chris could take a hell of a shot and box very well.
Crazy that Joe Calzaghe dropped Eubank within the first 10 seconds like that.
Yes Benn did fight on US soil but the fights were low key and off the rader of a lot of fans at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBut Nigel Benn did prove his worth on USA soil, beating dangerous guys like Iran Barkey, Doug DeWitt, he also beat the top American fighter Gerald McClellan.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
IMO most American fans did not rate Benn or Ebank coz they think a fighter has to fight on US soil to prove there worth.
I think the Benn-Barkley fight become more well know after it took place coz it was such a brawl.