Looks like Manny does'nt want any part of Hatton! I hope this is wrong and this fight goes ahead. Shocker: Hatton is Set To Walk Away From Pacquiao - Boxing News
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Looks like Manny does'nt want any part of Hatton! I hope this is wrong and this fight goes ahead. Shocker: Hatton is Set To Walk Away From Pacquiao - Boxing News
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Update from Hatton website Manny has till close of play today to sign contract or there aint a fight.
Come on Manny sign the f****** contract.
Team PAC has to know they wouldn't make as much money against anyone else including an unretired Mayweather. Even if Manny gets 70% against someone else it won't equal what he would make at 50% against Hatton.
That being said it's coming down to PAC doesn't want the fight, that's the only logical conclusion to make if he doesn't agree here.
I jokingly said last week - it looks like Pac is bottling it with these greedy money demands.
Looks like he really has bottled it. No joke. :-\
well i think manny is the man right now, and hatton is the one who called manny's name. so therefore hatton needs manny. its better this one is off, so much hype!
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Originally Posted by britsday
So - who should they both fight if they won't fight each other?
I'm guessing JMM for Hatton and that really doesn't leave any "super fights" for PAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by britsday
So - who should they both fight if they won't fight each other?
If they wont fight each other, Hatton should get Marquez, the person who gave Pacquiao his his last hardest fight and should have got the nod, hes a class name that will be as much recognised by the the general sports fan in the UK as Pacquiao.
People forget just how unknown Pacquiao is to everyone else other than Philipinos, boxing fans and mexicans;D
As for Manny, Hatton is a massive name and has a masive following, hes not gonna find a bigger match up any where, Hattons fans will make any match up big!!
manny needs to get back down to lightweight as the pressure will be too great for him not to face Hatton and goes to prove Roach knew that Oscar would just be dead at the weight.
In fact, dont be surprised to see Hatton try making a match with Barrera if he does beat Khan, that will be a massive advert for a Barrera match up, in the UK and hes still well known in the US as well.
Manny has shit out big time!
I think Manny is being foolish here, because there is no way he will get more than 50-50 against Mayweather whose people will just not let that happen, as well as the fact it would not generate the money the UK PPV's do for Hatton. 52-48 is a pretty good deal, it really is starting to look like Pacquiao is avoidin Hatton.
In terms of future opponents, for Pacquiao, there is Mayweather, but I doubt he will get more than 50-50 against him even if it did post bigger numbers in the US, whilst Marquez III is another option and one where he could get a bigger piece of the pie, but I can't see this being as lucrative as Hatton.
Hatton can fight any 'name' and he will do good numbers. I think one fight he could go for is Cotto at a catchweight of 144 or something, if Cotto doesn't go straight to Margarito after demolishing Jennings. This could also be fairly big money wise, and would probably do close to 1,000,000 buys in the UK. My cousin was working at SkySports for the Malignaggi fight, and their internal estimate on the night of PPV buys in the UK was somewhere between 500,000 & 600,000, so think about the money that could be made against a more renowned name like Cotto. Plus if Hatton did it in a stadium he can make a bundle off ticket sales.
Still hope that Manny sees sense and makes the fight.
Cotto is a very good one;) Nice one
I dont think Cotto will want any part of Tony again, not after boxing so well to just be out muscled, it would only happen again and I think Tony would just step it up earlier but yeah a Cotto Hatton fight would also be massive, as long as Cotto gets his win;)
According to Freddie Roach.. Pac will fight either Valero or Judah, both of which will earn him between $2-3m, should he refuse the Hatton deal.
Crazy.
Hope Valero sparks him out cold then....
Im glad everyone is seeing now what happens when your at the top, it becomes about the $$$$$$$ and angling to get as much as you can, when your in a position to do so.
Everyone slagged off Floyd calling him greedy and money hungry, but yet Pac wont split the pot with someone who has the bigger following:rolleyes:
My opinion of pac man has dropped a considerable amount after this.. not because I'm a Hatton fan boy, it's just his greediness, who would of thought someone as 'generous' as pac man would be arguing over such a large amount of money.. I heard Hatton even suggested 55-45 for pac man but he still didn't budge.
I guess he'll have to settle for his 3M fights then.
Though I think the real reason is, Pac knows Hatton is a beast and will relentlessly grind him down till the fight is stopped.. Hatton is like a scourge and a haunt, he just terrorizes his opponent in the ring and wont let up
Fukk Pac. He can never claim that he always tried the fight the best. What a fraud. If that fag had any sense he knew that even 52% against Hatton would generate a lot more against Margez, Valero, Guzman etc. The fans Hatton brings to his fights, no one can compare too. Guess he really is dumb.
Manny Pacquaio :LOLATYOU:
That's interesting. How acurate is/was it? I'm pretty sure it was reported much lower than that even though Sky didn't release the actual number - they never do unless they are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
wow stupid move on pacman becaise valero and judah are big and have power, they will knock his head off no lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
pacman fears hatton its true.
So Hatton is the easier fight of the three? Is that what your saying Moono?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonowow stupid move on pacman becaise valero and judah are big and have power, they will knock his head off no lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
pacman fears hatton its true.
You're dumb ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Tell me why the basic premise has being set for Pacquiao / Margarito? Pacquiao is keen on watching Margrito / Mosley fight. Don't come up with some lame dumb as answer either.
Hatton's draw numbers are down against other fighters and no way he could even hope to generate the kind of money a Pacquiao / Hatton fight can. Even a rematch with Mayweather would come up way short. A place Hatton can make good money is in the UK with live tickets and it's gotta be with one of the alaphbets cause IBO ain't gonna get him anything. The only thing you write that make sence is about Hatton fans.
Marquez ain't going up to 140 to fight Hatton because he'd get his ass knocked out and knows it. It would tank his career again. I wouldn't even watch it and I'd only look at the highlights after the fight on youtube. Most people don't even know the fighter names you have listed not only that they are all in the lightweight and superfeather weight class, not the jr welterweight and welterweight class.
I doubt that one. Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
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Originally Posted by leftylee
agreed who has pacquiao fought? hatton fought kostya and floyd jr, and the castillo win was amazing.
he also fought prime fighters like collazo, urango and floyd jr.
how can pacman compare when he avoided the best in the divison like guzman, valero, humberto soto, and now hatton
You really don't know what your talking about fella.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonoQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
agreed who has pacquiao fought? hatton fought kostya and floyd jr, and the castillo win was amazing.
he also fought prime fighters like collazo, urango and floyd jr.
how can pacman compare when he avoided the best in the divison like guzman, valero, humberto soto, and now hatton
to an extent i agree, but to not take the fight with Hatton was stupid. who will get pacman hatton-kind-of-coin without added risk? margarito and pbf fights are much riskier.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyYou're dumb ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Tell me why the basic premise has being set for Pacquiao / Margarito? Pacquiao is keen on watching Margrito / Mosley fight. Don't come up with some lame dumb as answer either.
Hatton's draw numbers are down against other fighters ( DO WE KNOW THE NUMBERS AGAINST MALIGNAGGI?)
Nah! I don't think Pac is a ducker. He's fought and beat some of the most legendary fighters in history such as Barrera x2, Morales x2 (and lost one), Oscar De La Hoya and JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonoQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
agreed who has pacquiao fought? hatton fought kostya and floyd jr, and the castillo win was amazing.
he also fought prime fighters like collazo, urango and floyd jr.
how can pacman compare when he avoided the best in the divison like guzman, valero, humberto soto, and now hatton
The really impressive part for me though is he knew that JMM was a stylistic nightmare for him going into the rematch yet he still took it and got the decision!
What I'm saying is he can't say he decided to fight the best in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyYou're dumb ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Tell me why the basic premise has being set for Pacquiao / Margarito? Pacquiao is keen on watching Margrito / Mosley fight. Don't come up with some lame dumb as answer either.
Hatton's draw numbers are down against other fighters and no way he could even hope to generate the kind of money a Pacquiao / Hatton fight can. Even a rematch with Mayweather would come up way short. A place Hatton can make good money is in the UK with live tickets and it's gotta be with one of the alaphbets cause IBO ain't gonna get him anything. The only thing you write that make sence is about Hatton fans.
Marquez ain't going up to 140 to fight Hatton because he'd get his ass knocked out and knows it. It would tank his career again. I wouldn't even watch it and I'd only look at the highlights after the fight on youtube. Most people don't even know the fighter names you have listed not only that they are all in the lightweight and superfeather weight class, not the jr welterweight and welterweight class.
When did I bring the past up ?
To me, Pac-Margarito is a mismatch. Maragrito is a big ass welterweight. Pac wont be able to make him flinch also. His pucnhes will have no effect. Margarito is bigger and stronger. How will Pac cope with that pressure from a guy his size ? Margarito crushes Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyYou're dumb ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Tell me why the basic premise has being set for Pacquiao / Margarito? Pacquiao is keen on watching Margrito / Mosley fight. Don't come up with some lame dumb as answer either.
Hatton's draw numbers are down against other fighters and no way he could even hope to generate the kind of money a Pacquiao / Hatton fight can. Even a rematch with Mayweather would come up way short. A place Hatton can make good money is in the UK with live tickets and it's gotta be with one of the alaphbets cause IBO ain't gonna get him anything. The only thing you write that make sence is about Hatton fans.
Marquez ain't going up to 140 to fight Hatton because he'd get his ass knocked out and knows it. It would tank his career again. I wouldn't even watch it and I'd only look at the highlights after the fight on youtube. Most people don't even know the fighter names you have listed not only that they are all in the lightweight and superfeather weight class, not the jr welterweight and welterweight class.
You gonna whine at anything else ?
Well my cuz was working on that broadcast of the fight, and in the gallery where they were doing it those are the numbers they were talking about & they usually pretty accurate with that stuff, although no doubt Sky were disappointed because that's almost 1 million less than the Hatton-Mayweather fight did. However, that's against a guy who was not really a name outside the boxing world, and if those are correct than it represents a bit under 1% of the UK's population buying the fight, if my maths are right which they probably ain't ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's interesting. How acurate is/was it? I'm pretty sure it was reported much lower than that even though Sky didn't release the actual number - they never do unless they are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
It would be so funny if who ever fights Pacquiao next ko's him.If the fight with Hatton doesnt happen then he goes and fights someone for $3million when he would of got $11million for Hatton just doesnt make sence it looks like he is avoiding Ricky.
I wonder how the relationship is with Freddie Roach after this boils down cause Manny wont pick up the fone to Roach.
May I beg to differ. I think it's a good move on Team Pacquiao's part because they he is in the drivers seat. Why should he settle? It may be a a bit of a gamble but lets see once Hatton meets another fighter with a good draw $1 million to $5 Million? but pales in comparison and Pacquiao meets another fighter but makes another $10 million. Hatton's team is messing out on at least $4M $6M if not $10M by not bowing to Pacquiao's demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I agree, You're right about Margrito being a big welterweight and beating Pac, but it's not going to be one sided fight. Cotto already proved a more technical fighter can out box Margarito. But I'll tell you that if the fight happens, it will be at a catch weight of 145 and not at 147 making it harder for Margrito to make weight. My guess is Roach will try to keep the date tight as well. No whining here, I wanna see this fight happen as much as the Hatton fight and more than Mayweather. If Pacquiao can pull off a win, Both Hatton's and Mayweather's barganing power tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If Manny doesn't sign the contract by the deadline he's clearly bottling fighting Hatton. How about that.
You can say the same about Manny. What PPV money can Manny bring to a fight that isn't featuring an American or a Latino fighter. Hatton probably brings more revenue to the promotion than Manny does. At the least it's fairly even what they bring to it so when you consider the fact that these two particular guys fighting each other will generate more revenue than almost any other match they can make it's a no-brainer for both guys to accept. If Manny prices himself out of the fight it's because he's scared to fight Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyMay I beg to differ. I think it's a good move on Team Pacquiao's part because they he is in the drivers seat. Why should he settle? It may be a a bit of a gamble but lets see once Hatton meets another fighter with a good draw $1 million to $5 Million? but pales in comparison and Pacquiao meets another fighter but makes another $10 million. Hatton's team is messing out on at least $4M $6M if not $10M by not bowing to Pacquiao's demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
It seems 90 percent likely pacman gets tko or knocked out in his next fight, it will be by Valero if he choose to fight him...and Valero will be the star and fight hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Hatton is the best? There are many talented options out there for Pacquiao. As mentioned earlier: Margarito, Cotto, Campbell, Diaz, Marquez etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWhat I'm saying is he can't say he decided to fight the best in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyYou're dumb ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Tell me why the basic premise has being set for Pacquiao / Margarito? Pacquiao is keen on watching Margrito / Mosley fight. Don't come up with some lame dumb as answer either.
Hatton's draw numbers are down against other fighters and no way he could even hope to generate the kind of money a Pacquiao / Hatton fight can. Even a rematch with Mayweather would come up way short. A place Hatton can make good money is in the UK with live tickets and it's gotta be with one of the alaphbets cause IBO ain't gonna get him anything. The only thing you write that make sence is about Hatton fans.
Marquez ain't going up to 140 to fight Hatton because he'd get his ass knocked out and knows it. It would tank his career again. I wouldn't even watch it and I'd only look at the highlights after the fight on youtube. Most people don't even know the fighter names you have listed not only that they are all in the lightweight and superfeather weight class, not the jr welterweight and welterweight class.
It is a bad decision not to fight Hatton because the Hatton fight is more financially lucrative. That said, Pacquiao isn't afraid of fighting the best or really anyone for that matter.
most of you are going to look retarded like usually talking smack about pac :lolhaha:
Why don't they have something like a 70 -30 split with the winner taking 70%. Its seems silly that they decide the split before the fight.
Why do they do this in boxing?
How is Hatton messing out... You do realize hatton has been the kingpin of 140 for almost 4 years now right?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyMay I beg to differ. I think it's a good move on Team Pacquiao's part because they he is in the drivers seat. Why should he settle? It may be a a bit of a gamble but lets see once Hatton meets another fighter with a good draw $1 million to $5 Million? but pales in comparison and Pacquiao meets another fighter but makes another $10 million. Hatton's team is messing out on at least $4M $6M if not $10M by not bowing to Pacquiao's demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I would also venture to say Hatton has more career earning than Pac up to this point
Nah. Valero is a great puncher no doubt, but I don't think he has the credentials to beat Pacman. Also even if he did beat Pac I couldn't see him going upto 140 to fight Hatton. He hasn't even fought at Lightweight yet so he doesn't know if he can carry his power to other divisions and moving up 2 divisions without his main advantage would be suicide!Quote:
Originally Posted by MoonoIt seems 90 percent likely pacman gets tko or knocked out in his next fight, it will be by Valero if he choose to fight him...and Valero will be the star and fight hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif