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Here's a twist to the list. Strictly speaking on willingness to fight anyone who makes the list?
1. Paul Williams
2. Glen Johnson
3. Nate Campbell
4. Librado Andrade
5. Tomasz Adamek
This is just a list off of the top of my head. I would love to get some feedback from you guys.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
A bit un sure of what you mean by
"Strictly speaking on willingness to fight anyone who makes the list"
Do you mean they are willing to fight all comers and are wondering if there are any more in other peoples opp or....Do we agree etc with the list...
Clearly I am saying, not so good with the english am i.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
A bit un sure of what you mean by
"Strictly speaking on willingness to fight anyone who makes the list"
Do you mean they are willing to fight all comers and are wondering if there are any more in other peoples opp or....Do we agree etc with the list...
I mean which fighters today that are in the upper tiers of their weightclass(es) are most willing to fight anyone.
Good list. A few i might add.
Bernard Hopkins
Vic Darchinyan
Antonio Margarito
AHHH Got ya now....Misunderstood...My mistake....Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepClearly I am saying, not so good with the english am i.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
A bit un sure of what you mean by
"Strictly speaking on willingness to fight anyone who makes the list"
Do you mean they are willing to fight all comers and are wondering if there are any more in other peoples opp or....Do we agree etc with the list...
I mean which fighters today that are in the upper tiers of their weightclass(es) are most willing to fight anyone.
A few in my opp are
David Haye.....So he says and yet has been proved otherwise...even if some of the decisions might not be healthy for him..
Vitaly Klitschko....One of those unhealthy guys Haye is willing to fight
Ricky Hatton....I think he proved that already when he pursued PBF...regardless of how it turned out he looked for the best opp out there
Shane Mosley...Though he is not a champion he has made quite a run as of late...Cotto, Mayorga, and now Margarito....Though Shane has always been willing to fight whoever will step in the ring
Israel Vazquez...I think this guy would fight a HW in a phone booth
Would go with the same list although I would have Juan Manuel Marquez instead of AdamekQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Juan Manuel Marquez
Shane Mosely
Edison Miranda
Jermain Taylor
Glen Johnson
David Haye
Paul Williams
Emanuel Augustus
Zab Judah
Mosely is an excellent pick, I'd have him at the top of my list. Hopkins also is good.
Hatton would not be on my list though. Just for fighting PBF? It was a great payday, but nah he's not an all comers guy. Unless you want to call the other guys Floyd has thrashed all comers guys also.
I think the title was "Willing" to fight all comersQuote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joel Casamayor
Easily Margarito...
He was willing to fight Zab, PBF, Baldomir, SSM (since '06), Paul, Clottey & ODLH. You name the fighter he'll fight him.
Oh I know what it said. But you said just because he pursued PBF. And I'll say that there's a ton of guys who'd love to fight Floyd. If Hatton really wanted the toughest fights, he'd have stuck around at welterweight, instead of dropping down to fights stars such as Maglianaggi.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI think the title was "Willing" to fight all comersQuote:
Originally Posted by CGM
How about him rematching Paul Williams though?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
JuanMa??
If memory serves me right wasn't Paul the one who moved in a different direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepHow about him rematching Paul Williams though?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Since Williams, Margaritos fought Cintron, Cotto & now SSM.
Williams since then has lost to CQ, rematched him and sparked him out, some guy named Kolle & Spinks.
I can't say this 100% but I'm willing to bet he (Margarito) would have rematched him would all the stars have aligned.
This may have just been hype I bought into, but I was under the impression that Williams moved weight classes because Margo wouldn't sign for a rematch. Also he just beat Phillips, so last year he lost, avenged his defeat in devastating fashion, then tested the waters at 160, then broke down the #2 ring rated 154 lber. This is not to diminish what Margarito has done, but he only had two fights last year to Williams four.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickIf memory serves me right wasn't Paul the one who moved in a different direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepHow about him rematching Paul Williams though?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Since Williams, Margaritos fought Cintron, Cotto & now SSM.
Williams since then has lost to CQ, rematched him and sparked him out, some guy named Kolle & Spinks.
I can't say this 100% but I'm willing to bet he (Margarito) would have rematched him would all the stars have aligned.
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Originally Posted by killersheepThis may have just been hype I bought into, but I was under the impression that Williams moved weight classes because Margo wouldn't sign for a rematch. Also he just beat Phillips, so last year he lost, avenged his defeat in devastating fashion, then tested the waters at 160, then broke down the #2 ring rated 154 lber. This is not to diminish what Margarito has done, but he only had two fights last year to Williams four.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickIf memory serves me right wasn't Paul the one who moved in a different direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Since Williams, Margaritos fought Cintron, Cotto & now SSM.
Williams since then has lost to CQ, rematched him and sparked him out, some guy named Kolle & Spinks.
I can't say this 100% but I'm willing to bet he (Margarito) would have rematched him would all the stars have aligned.
It was not that Margarito would not fight Williams because Margarito will fight anyone...The whole Williams Margarito rematch went more or less as follows...
The first fight ended...July of 2007....
Williams sat around Margarito wanted a rematch Williams was playing games...Telling people how great he was...vieing for more money etc....
Margarito fights Johnson...in his return November of that year....
Short while later Williams signs to fight Quintana in February of 2008....
Loses the title to CQ.....
Now Williams has lost some of his bargaining value due to no title and he lost his first defense...Bringing doubts to everyone about how good he really was......
By time Williams fights and loses to Quintana Margarito is in Negotiations for a rematch with Cintron.....Fights and beats Cintron in April 2 months after PW loses his title to CQ..
BUT now PW has his rematch set with CQ for two months after Tony beats Cintron for the IBF title...
Tony is now set to fight Cotto in July.....
Williams knew this and after beating Quintana went looking for the top guys in the division to fight next...Williams was pissed off because everyone went on without him....
In all seriousness he waited around thinking everyone was going to wait for him and no one did....he lost the title and felt he was still the man and everyone would still wait for him.....Williams actually believed that everyone would wait for him to rematch Quintana before they signed to fight anyone else thinking he was the biggest name in the WW division....
when he won the CQ rematch he was actually offended that Tony and Cotto signed to fight each other....He felt he was the one to be the man in the division to decide who was #1......When in actuality he was the only one to think it was OK to wait almost a yr before defending his title and the fact he lost it meant nothing to anyone else because he was "Paul Williams".......
Right after Cotto Margarito Williams wanted a rematch with Tony but he wanted it with in 2 months of the Cotto fight giving Tony NO time to recover and have a training camp...after all Williams had only fought 60 seconds in 6 months he was healthy and had no battle wounds to heal...
Big advantage for Williams NO?....But again in Williams mind it mattered none because he was Paul,Williams and when he comes calling you need to appreciate he is giving you the time of day......
So since Tony and actually, Cotto, said they needed more time he decides he is being avoided because they would not fight when he wanted it.....knowing he was starting to get stale just laying around fighting twice in a year....1 loss one 60 second bout....Williams had to go somewhere so instead of sitting he gets a fight with Andy Kolle at Middle weight that allowed him to not worry about weight and not just sit around becoming rusty....
Williams actually thought he should get a title fight against either Forrest or Pavlik without even having a single bout in either division....again calling both scared......
Kelly was already obligated to Hopkins and Forrest to Mora....
Williams talks more shit and thinks everyone is to fight him exactly when he says or they are fearing him....
He is the only one who has yet to realize every person he calls out already has their dance cards filled when he does or they just fought with in the last month...Williams does not think they need 2 or 3 more months to train because he already had 3 months sitting around to train so he is ready Phuk them...
Plus he fails to realize that while he has a very good record Tony is the only elite fighter he has ever beaten,,,, he is not the top draw and to this day his best wins outside a hard fought win with Margarito are....The Quintana rematch and an over the hill Phillips....Shit he lost his only Title defense to a guy Cotto beat silly
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickIf memory serves me right wasn't Paul the one who moved in a different direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepHow about him rematching Paul Williams though?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Since Williams, Margaritos fought Cintron, Cotto & now SSM.
Williams since then has lost to CQ, rematched him and sparked him out, some guy named Kolle & Spinks.
I can't say this 100% but I'm willing to bet he (Margarito) would have rematched him would all the stars have aligned.
When did Williams fight Spinks?......
Are you speaking of Phillips Mick?
Thanks for clearing that up, could make a reality show out of boxing negotiations, actually that's a million dollar idea right there. Thing is that, while he lost to Quintana he battered him in one round in the rematch much more convincing than Cotto did, and he still does hold a victory over Margarito. So technically he should still have some negotiating power at 147, even if he doesn't know how to use it. And while you say Phillips was over the hill, he showed he was still capable of being competitive with Spinks which is no easy feat. Holding wins over the current #1 and #6 ring rated fighters at 147 AND the current #3 ring rated fighter at 154 has to count for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThis may have just been hype I bought into, but I was under the impression that Williams moved weight classes because Margo wouldn't sign for a rematch. Also he just beat Phillips, so last year he lost, avenged his defeat in devastating fashion, then tested the waters at 160, then broke down the #2 ring rated 154 lber. This is not to diminish what Margarito has done, but he only had two fights last year to Williams four.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
It was not that Margarito would not fight Williams because Margarito will fight anyone...The whole Williams Margarito rematch went more or less as follows...
The first fight ended...July of 2007....
Williams sat around Margarito wanted a rematch Williams was playing games...Telling people how great he was...vieing for more money etc....
Margarito fights Johnson...in his return November of that year....
Short while later Williams signs to fight Quintana in February of 2008....
Loses the title to CQ.....
Now Williams has lost some of his bargaining value due to no title and he lost his first defense...Bringing doubts to everyone about how good he really was......
By time Williams fights and loses to Quintana Margarito is in Negotiations for a rematch with Cintron.....Fights and beats Cintron in April 2 months after PW loses his title to CQ..
BUT now PW has his rematch set with CQ for two months after Tony beats Cintron for the IBF title...
Tony is now set to fight Cotto in July.....
Williams knew this and after beating Quintana went looking for the top guys in the division to fight next...Williams was pissed off because everyone went on without him....
In all seriousness he waited around thinking everyone was going to wait for him and no one did....he lost the title and felt he was still the man and everyone would still wait for him.....Williams actually believed that everyone would wait for him to rematch Quintana before they signed to fight anyone else thinking he was the biggest name in the WW division....
when he won the CQ rematch he was actually offended that Tony and Cotto signed to fight each other....He felt he was the one to be the man in the division to decide who was #1......When in actuality he was the only one to think it was OK to wait almost a yr before defending his title and the fact he lost it meant nothing to anyone else because he was "Paul Williams".......
Right after Cotto Margarito Williams wanted a rematch with Tony but he wanted it with in 2 months of the Cotto fight giving Tony NO time to recover and have a training camp...after all Williams had only fought 60 seconds in 6 months he was healthy and had no battle wounds to heal...
Big advantage for Williams NO?....But again in Williams mind it mattered none because he was Paul,Williams and when he comes calling you need to appreciate he is giving you the time of day......
So since Tony and actually, Cotto, said they needed more time he decides he is being avoided because they would not fight when he wanted it.....knowing he was starting to get stale just laying around fighting twice in a year....1 loss one 60 second bout....Williams had to go somewhere so instead of sitting he gets a fight with Andy Kolle at Middle weight that allowed him to not worry about weight and not just sit around becoming rusty....
Williams actually thought he should get a title fight against either Forrest or Pavlik without even having a single bout in either division....again calling both scared......
Kelly was already obligated to Hopkins and Forrest to Mora....
Williams talks more shit and thinks everyone is to fight him exactly when he says or they are fearing him....
He is the only one who has yet to realize every person he calls out already has their dance cards filled when he does or they just fought with in the last month...Williams does not think they need 2 or 3 more months to train because he already had 3 months sitting around to train so he is ready Phuk them...
Plus he fails to realize that while he has a very good record Tony is the only elite fighter he has ever beaten,,,, he is not the top draw and to this day his best wins outside a hard fought win with Margarito are....The Quintana rematch and an over the hill Phillips....Shit he lost his only Title defense to a guy Cotto beat silly
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Thanks for clearing that up, could make a reality show out of boxing negotiations, actually that's a million dollar idea right there. Thing is that, while he lost to Quintana he battered him in one round in the rematch much more convincing than Cotto did, and he still does hold a victory over Margarito. So technically he should still have some negotiating power at 147, even if he doesn't know how to use it.[/quote]
Sure he should but thing is like I said Williams want guys to fight when he says and seems to not want guys to fight anyone else until he calls them....
Like I stressed he actually thought that because he was ready to fight that the other guys should have just stepped in the ring....forget the fact they had just fought a month or 2 ago and were healing he did not even want them to have full training camps...he wanted them to fight in a month after his team made the offer.....yet he lays around a year and refused to accept any titiel offers...he took the CQ fight because he thought it would be an easy defense....It back fired...
Yes, that's why I said he doesn't know how to use his leverage. Also, you have to give him credit for making up his loss against Quintana.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Sure he should but thing is like I said Williams want guys to fight when he says and seems to not want guys to fight anyone else until he calls them....
Like I stressed he actually thought that because he was ready to fight that the other guys should have just stepped in the ring....forget the fact they had just fought a month or 2 ago and were healing he did not even want them to have full training camps...he wanted them to fight in a month after his team made the offer.....yet he lays around a year and refused to accept any titiel offers...he took the CQ fight because he thought it would be an easy defense....It back fired...
Yeah, meant Phillips.. My fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickIf memory serves me right wasn't Paul the one who moved in a different direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Since Williams, Margaritos fought Cintron, Cotto & now SSM.
Williams since then has lost to CQ, rematched him and sparked him out, some guy named Kolle & Spinks.
I can't say this 100% but I'm willing to bet he (Margarito) would have rematched him would all the stars have aligned.
When did Williams fight Spinks?......
Are you speaking of Phillips Mick?
I'd have Margarito much higher on the list than PW, for reasons so ably explained by Daxx, and think that PW likes to portray himself as being "avoided" but such appearance is overhyped to a certain extent. Also have to take some issue with Williams being "much more convincing" than Cotto against Quinitana (both A-listers too). He lost fight one in a decision for which there was absolutely no controversy, and caught him in round 1 in fight II for a quick KO. Don't think that "big picture" is "more convincing" viewed in its totality. Cotto made Quinitana quit on his stool and pretty much broke him down in "convincing" fashion -- much like AM did in KC II and ultimately against Cotto too..Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThanks for clearing that up, could make a reality show out of boxing negotiations, actually that's a million dollar idea right there. Thing is that, while he lost to Quintana he battered him in one round in the rematch much more convincing than Cotto did, and he still does hold a victory over Margarito. So technically he should still have some negotiating power at 147, even if he doesn't know how to use it. And while you say Phillips was over the hill, he showed he was still capable of being competitive with Spinks which is no easy feat. Holding wins over the current #1 and #6 ring rated fighters at 147 AND the current #3 ring rated fighter at 154 has to count for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
It was not that Margarito would not fight Williams because Margarito will fight anyone...The whole Williams Margarito rematch went more or less as follows...
The first fight ended...July of 2007....
Williams sat around Margarito wanted a rematch Williams was playing games...Telling people how great he was...vieing for more money etc....
Margarito fights Johnson...in his return November of that year....
Short while later Williams signs to fight Quintana in February of 2008....
Loses the title to CQ.....
Now Williams has lost some of his bargaining value due to no title and he lost his first defense...Bringing doubts to everyone about how good he really was......
By time Williams fights and loses to Quintana Margarito is in Negotiations for a rematch with Cintron.....Fights and beats Cintron in April 2 months after PW loses his title to CQ..
BUT now PW has his rematch set with CQ for two months after Tony beats Cintron for the IBF title...
Tony is now set to fight Cotto in July.....
Williams knew this and after beating Quintana went looking for the top guys in the division to fight next...Williams was pissed off because everyone went on without him....
In all seriousness he waited around thinking everyone was going to wait for him and no one did....he lost the title and felt he was still the man and everyone would still wait for him.....Williams actually believed that everyone would wait for him to rematch Quintana before they signed to fight anyone else thinking he was the biggest name in the WW division....
when he won the CQ rematch he was actually offended that Tony and Cotto signed to fight each other....He felt he was the one to be the man in the division to decide who was #1......When in actuality he was the only one to think it was OK to wait almost a yr before defending his title and the fact he lost it meant nothing to anyone else because he was "Paul Williams".......
Right after Cotto Margarito Williams wanted a rematch with Tony but he wanted it with in 2 months of the Cotto fight giving Tony NO time to recover and have a training camp...after all Williams had only fought 60 seconds in 6 months he was healthy and had no battle wounds to heal...
Big advantage for Williams NO?....But again in Williams mind it mattered none because he was Paul,Williams and when he comes calling you need to appreciate he is giving you the time of day......
So since Tony and actually, Cotto, said they needed more time he decides he is being avoided because they would not fight when he wanted it.....knowing he was starting to get stale just laying around fighting twice in a year....1 loss one 60 second bout....Williams had to go somewhere so instead of sitting he gets a fight with Andy Kolle at Middle weight that allowed him to not worry about weight and not just sit around becoming rusty....
Williams actually thought he should get a title fight against either Forrest or Pavlik without even having a single bout in either division....again calling both scared......
Kelly was already obligated to Hopkins and Forrest to Mora....
Williams talks more shit and thinks everyone is to fight him exactly when he says or they are fearing him....
He is the only one who has yet to realize every person he calls out already has their dance cards filled when he does or they just fought with in the last month...Williams does not think they need 2 or 3 more months to train because he already had 3 months sitting around to train so he is ready Phuk them...
Plus he fails to realize that while he has a very good record Tony is the only elite fighter he has ever beaten,,,, he is not the top draw and to this day his best wins outside a hard fought win with Margarito are....The Quintana rematch and an over the hill Phillips....Shit he lost his only Title defense to a guy Cotto beat silly
Now if AM beats SSM (which I think he will), and a rematch with Cotto (or another bigger marquee name) doesn't materialize, then I think the PW boosters may have a case. But right now, I don't see it.
I was 2 rows back when Williams caught Quintana, and he did it by setting up his punches properly.. Williams was drained and lethargic for the 1st fight, you can see he didnt have the same fire and volume he usually does..Quote:
Originally Posted by NPwillI'd have Margarito much higher on the list than PW, for reasons so ably explained by Daxx, and think that PW likes to portray himself as being "avoided" but such appearance is overhyped to a certain extent. Also have to take some issue with Williams being "much more convincing" than Cotto against Quinitana (both A-listers too). He lost fight one in a decision for which there was absolutely no controversy, and caught him in round 1 in fight II for a quick KO. Don't think that "big picture" is "more convincing" viewed in its totality. Cotto made Quinitana quit on his stool and pretty much broke him down in "convincing" fashion -- much like AM did in KC II and ultimately against Cotto too..Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThanks for clearing that up, could make a reality show out of boxing negotiations, actually that's a million dollar idea right there. Thing is that, while he lost to Quintana he battered him in one round in the rematch much more convincing than Cotto did, and he still does hold a victory over Margarito. So technically he should still have some negotiating power at 147, even if he doesn't know how to use it. And while you say Phillips was over the hill, he showed he was still capable of being competitive with Spinks which is no easy feat. Holding wins over the current #1 and #6 ring rated fighters at 147 AND the current #3 ring rated fighter at 154 has to count for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Now if AM beats SSM (which I think he will), and a rematch with Cotto (or another bigger marquee name) doesn't materialize, then I think the PW boosters may have a case. But right now, I don't see it.
I honestly put Margarito and Williams on par with each other... The the hat has me confused is Tony's non interest in a rematch with Paul. He was quoted as saying he would like to fight Cotto or Pac in his next fight, with no mention of Williams.. The only man to give him a loss during his great run at 147
Is Hopkins willing to fight Chad Dawson?Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I can see Tony wanting to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ before risk losing to Williams by fighting Cotto/Pac 1st so I'm not faulting him, but it goes against the moniker and mystique he built for himself putting the money in front of the comp... As were learning these guys who are the best at what they do, shouldnt be expected to risk life, well being and miss out on career pay days.. At the end of the day, this is a job for them and how they provide and put food on their table, none of us would work for less than what we deserve, especially if we specialize in what we doQuote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI was 2 rows back when Williams caught Quintana, and he did it by setting up his punches properly.. Williams was drained and lethargic for the 1st fight, you can see he didnt have the same fire and volume he usually does..Quote:
Originally Posted by NPwillI'd have Margarito much higher on the list than PW, for reasons so ably explained by Daxx, and think that PW likes to portray himself as being "avoided" but such appearance is overhyped to a certain extent. Also have to take some issue with Williams being "much more convincing" than Cotto against Quinitana (both A-listers too). He lost fight one in a decision for which there was absolutely no controversy, and caught him in round 1 in fight II for a quick KO. Don't think that "big picture" is "more convincing" viewed in its totality. Cotto made Quinitana quit on his stool and pretty much broke him down in "convincing" fashion -- much like AM did in KC II and ultimately against Cotto too..Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Now if AM beats SSM (which I think he will), and a rematch with Cotto (or another bigger marquee name) doesn't materialize, then I think the PW boosters may have a case. But right now, I don't see it.
I honestly put Margarito and Williams on par with each other... The the hat has me confused is Tony's non interest in a rematch with Paul. He was quoted as saying he would like to fight Cotto or Pac in his next fight, with no mention of Williams.. The only man to give him a loss during his great run at 147
IMO there's a difference between willingness to fight anyone and looking for a free ashot at the top. Ricky had nothing to lose fighting the p4p no.1 and everything to gain. Similar with Haye, willing to fight the Klits, but not willing to risk that opportunity against other risky contenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAHHH Got ya now....Misunderstood...My mistake....Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepClearly I am saying, not so good with the english am i.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I mean which fighters today that are in the upper tiers of their weightclass(es) are most willing to fight anyone.
A few in my opp are
David Haye.....So he says and yet has been proved otherwise...even if some of the decisions might not be healthy for him..
Vitaly Klitschko....One of those unhealthy guys Haye is willing to fight
Ricky Hatton....I think he proved that already when he pursued PBF...regardless of how it turned out he looked for the best opp out there
Shane Mosley...Though he is not a champion he has made quite a run as of late...Cotto, Mayorga, and now Margarito....Though Shane has always been willing to fight whoever will step in the ring
Israel Vazquez...I think this guy would fight a HW in a phone booth
That's a bit harsh On Haye, Bomp.
He's always pursued the best. He's been fast-tracked to the Klits because the division is so boringly shit.
Recently Adam Booth said they were about 12 months ahead of where they expected to be ;)
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Originally Posted by BompIMO there's a difference between willingness to fight anyone and looking for a free ashot at the top. Ricky had nothing to lose fighting the p4p no.1 and everything to gain. Similar with Haye, willing to fight the Klits, but not willing to risk that opportunity against other risky contenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAHHH Got ya now....Misunderstood...My mistake....Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
A few in my opp are
David Haye.....So he says and yet has been proved otherwise...even if some of the decisions might not be healthy for him..
Vitaly Klitschko....One of those unhealthy guys Haye is willing to fight
Ricky Hatton....I think he proved that already when he pursued PBF...regardless of how it turned out he looked for the best opp out there
Shane Mosley...Though he is not a champion he has made quite a run as of late...Cotto, Mayorga, and now Margarito....Though Shane has always been willing to fight whoever will step in the ring
Israel Vazquez...I think this guy would fight a HW in a phone booth
Regardless of how much either has to gain or lose they still are the ones who seek them out...They can make a bank roll fighting the one or in Hayes case 2 guys that can do the most damage to their careers
OR
They can fight some lesser guys at slightly less money in walkover bouts
They choose the hard road....IMO shows they will fight anyone....
Though the question mark in still in the air for many about Hatton not fighting Witter after being called out soo many times
I think Williams deserves more credit than Tony, Williams called out Pavlik when he was still unbeaten then jumps 2 weight divisions to fight, and Santos called out Tony but I haven't heard Tony mention moving up, maybe dosent like it when he's not the bigger guy....
as for Hatton he wasn't to willing to give Collazo a much deserved rematch...
Haye I think would fight anyone in fairness to him, Evander even though he's not a top guy anymore, I think would top the list
I was just going by what Hopkins has done the last few years. Give him time. Can't fight them all forever. But OK I'll bite. Has Dawson called out Hopkins?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratIs Hopkins willing to fight Chad Dawson?Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Evander would be no1 for me! He'd fight King Kong if you gave him a strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMI was just going by what Hopkins has done the last few years. Give him time. Can't fight them all forever. But OK I'll bite. Has Dawson called out Hopkins?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratIs Hopkins willing to fight Chad Dawson?Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
And has blatantly ducked Witter from around 2000/1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
A lot of these guys being mentioned are at the backend of their careers and therefore naturally willing to accept any offer at hand.
Holyfield would happily fight both klitschko brothers at the same time tommorow morning if the money was right as i suspect many mentioned would.
Nigel Benn never ducked an opponent and was always willing to fight anyone, anytime, anywhere
Ricardo Mayorga strikes me as the kind of guy that just naturally loves to fight and win or lose is always gonna be up for the challenge
Problem with Mayorga is he doesn't always train right for the occasion. Has true guts though!Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I think a top 5 is tough to narrow down because a lot of guys are not the best or that known but are willing to fight just about anyone. The so called feared or best at 147, 154, and 160 are Margarito, Forrest, and Pavlik. Paul Williams offered to fight all three of these fighters and all three turned it down. It wasn't the direction for Pavlik and Forrest said Williams doesn't bring enough reward. But as far as this Williams/Margarito discussion goes... well the truth is Williams offered Margarito the rematch after he couldn't cash in with a top guy like PBF or Cotto. Then offered Margarito two times after for a guarantee of $4 million, which was more than Williams himself was guaranteed to make. Both times Margarito turned it down. There was no negotiating or fight set for Margarito already. Both fighters had as clear schedule as you could as a fighter and Margarito also turned down an offer from Santos at 154. He had both guys who beat him come after HIM for an opportunity to fight again and he did not even negotiate. I am not saying Margarito is scared but he has no excuse and can now not say other fighters avoid him. Clottey even wanted the rematch and they did negotiate but it fell through. If Williams and Santos were offered by Margarito and then in turn Williams and/or Santos turned it down without even negotiating then everyone would be calling them scared and everything else in the book.
As for Williams, this guy is fighting at 3 weight classes and even went after and negotiated with Pavlik but Pavlik thought it wasn't worth enough for him. Which is fair, he went after bigger money and reward. Its not good for business to have absolutely no healthy fear but Williams tops my list as willingness to fight anyone because he really is willing to fight the best in 3 weight classes.
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Originally Posted by blegit
Margarito was already in negotiations for both bouts when Williams camp wanted to make the fight happen...Williams also wanted the fight to happen asap....Leaving no time for anything but enter the ring......
As for the whole thing with Pavlik and Forrest you are right both had other agendas...Pavlik his thing with Hopkins in the works and Forrest with Mora a fight he figured would be more lucritive and with less risk..
But I still do not understand how people claim because these fights never materialized because Williams wanted them to at his convienience how they...Fear him....
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Where's Margarito?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep