Who was the biggest hype job in boxing/mma/k-1 etc???
Kimbo, Bob Sapp, Audley Harrison, Gerry Cooney, or someone else?
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Who was the biggest hype job in boxing/mma/k-1 etc???
Kimbo, Bob Sapp, Audley Harrison, Gerry Cooney, or someone else?
Probably Oscar VS Floyd
Well I was thinking about single fighters who were hyped up and ended up looking pathetic....like Michael Grant for example.
If you mean undeserved hype, I'd probably go with Cooney.
There are probably a lot of fighters that are hyped to the max in their own country, but not elsewhere. That's where a guy like Audley comes in.
Kelly Pavlik is one. Even though he made it to a world champion. He is pretty one dimensional and overhyped and got took to school by a 43 yr old who he was expected to KO with ease.
People were so far ahead of talking about him for the future, reigning the division for years etc... they forgot about what was standing in front, Bernard Hopkins.
My mistake Bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Amir Khan
I wouldn't call Pavlik a hype job...I'm talking about fighters who were basically handed wins and whenever they fought anyone anywhere near good kind of like Primo Carnera
Tough call on this one. I see your point, he doesn't exactly impress the hell out of me either, but he did beat some pretty good fighters. edit: basically what Lyle saidQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Gamboa :fight:.....I can not deny Oscars accomplishments but from day one as a professional I labeled him DeLaHypa.It really was NON STOP.
David Reid
MMA I would have to go with Kimbo. They (elite xc) based their entire company around this fellow. He gets KO'd in 14 seconds by a guy a weightclass below his, and the company folds ;D
As useless as Bob Sapp was, he does have 2 wins over K-1 legend Ernesto Hoost and a legendary MMA loss against PRIME Nogueira, so even though he was marketed and promoted to high heaven, he did have some good performances along the way.
Gerry Cooney suffers from that "white hope" double sword. When he was winning they overrated him, and when he loses they underrate him. Gerry was a REALLY good fighter IMO, dynamite left, good jab. One of the most brutal KOs of all time against legend Ken Norton. Look at the 3 guys he lost to. Holmes and Foreman, who IMO are both top 5 HWs of all time, and Michael Spinks, one of if not the greatest LHW of all time, and a guy who moved up to HW and handed Holmes his first 2 defeats. Yeah he looked bad but it was against STELLAR compedition.
Can't believe people are saying Cooney. There are at least 1000 boxers who were hyped more undeservably than he was.
Speaking as someone who was following the sport closely when this fight happened, I can tell you there was a huge amount of hype for Cooney and his power. People were talking about Holmes getting knocked back to Africa with this fight. But Holmes schooled and dismantled him with relative ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Anyways, Cooney was/is a decent guy who was not to blame for the hype. Full props to him for the exellent work he has done in support of retired boxers.
David Haye
You out of your mind. I expected better from you. Reid was an over achiever in the sport of Boxing. Not to many people can become World Champs fighting with basically one eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
You on the Saddo's top 10 posters pound for pound list. But p4p or not take your neg rep.
HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou out of your mind. I expected better from you. Reid was an over achiever in the sport of Boxing. Not to many people can become World Champs fighting with basically one eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
You on the Saddo's top 10 posters pound for pound list. But p4p or not take your neg rep.
Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage:fight:.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou out of your mind. I expected better from you. Reid was an over achiever in the sport of Boxing. Not to many people can become World Champs fighting with basically one eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
You on the Saddo's top 10 posters pound for pound list. But p4p or not take your neg rep.
Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage:fight:.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
Sons of great fighters often get over-hyped. Camacho Jr. is one that springs to mind.
Cooney was overhyped to some degree, but he was also rushed. Cooney was a pretty good fighter who was put in too soon with an underrated ATG champion. He had wins over Lyle, Jimmy Young, and Norton. These were decent wins but they were all past there primes and it gave Cooney's promotors and the public something to build on. He also made a good effort in the Holmes fight and managed to give a pretty good accounting of himself for a while. He showed a very good chin and took an immense amount of punishment before being stopped. Unfortunately, he is one of the examples of a fighter who is never the same after taking a beating.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Audley was a far bigger hype job. He was made out the be the next great champion having accomplished even less than Cooney did. If Cooney had fought Harrison, Harrison would still be on his back.
Joel Julio was another totally overrated hypejob. Michael Grant was a great example and probably Tommy Morrison, too. Morrison was a decent fighter, but he was another great white hope who built a record on fading talent and got sparked when he stepped up. Every win he had against a quality opponent was against an aging fighter. His best win was probably the Foreman win.
In the beginning I think the hype was justified. Camacho Jr had great hand speed and possessed good power. But in the end he turned out to be a biitch with no heart and poor training habitsQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Nagel
i know ill get crucified on this one but i think joan guzman is all hype too. he challenged almost everybody. accusing everybody on his weight class that they ducked him and on his biggest fight ever(supposed to be) he cant even make weight. boring as hell too!
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Originally Posted by josef4334
I actually agree. Guzman has been a big disappointment of late
Hector Camacho Jr. and Francisco Bojado come to mind.
Both got spanked courtesy of Jesse James Leija.
Michael Grant
"Panchito" Bojado
Joel Julio
Nicolay Valuev
I agree i don't think David Reid was a hype job either he was a good fighter, with good handspeed/slickness ETC. I have watched a few of his fights and he did struggle against people like Kevin Kelly who is only decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseReid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage:fight:.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
But then he did comeback and beat Keith Mullings who despite the record, wern't a bad fighter himself he had a win over Terry Norris. Granted it wasn't a prime Terry Norris but i see that fight, and Terry Norris still performed well in that fight.
And he was ahead but he got hurt and floored in round 8, and never recovered in the next round. Keith Mullings actually was only beat convincingly by Winky Wright, Steve Roberts, that was shocking to see Keith Mullings stopped so early against Steve Roberts.
But anyway i thought David Reid was doing pretty good after 6 rounds against Felix Trinidad, i thought he was possibly ahead by 1 round. And he scored a decent knockdown, but after that it all went downhill and he got battered.
But he still showed heart especially in the later rounds when he fought back, overall i think it was a hell of an achievement to win rounds and go 12 rounds against a prime Felix Trinidad. And even if he wouldn't of fought him the eye would always be a problem, and he wouldn't of had a long career anyway.
Didn't he get the eye injury in the Olympics or something ? i remember hearing about that somewhere but i can't remember. By the way what is David Reid doing now anyway ?
Being disappointing of late and being a hype job is totally different, Joan Guzman is P4P one of the most skilled fighters in the world today. And he could beat anyone on any given night.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334
And i honestly can't see how any true fan could find watching a skilled fighter like that boring. But i guess everyone has there own tastes/opinions.
In England ,Pele Reid was massively hyped. A few heavy KO defeats later he became a complete nobody.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBeing disappointing of late and being a hype job is totally different, Joan Guzman is P4P one of the most skilled fighters in the world today. And he could beat anyone on any given night.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334
And i honestly can't see how any true fan could find watching a skilled fighter like that boring. But i guess everyone has there own tastes/opinions.
Guzman disgraced himself last year but is far from just a hype job.
And boring? Behave.
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Originally Posted by cpcompany
He did beat Klitchko though - ask Fenster ;D
Lets get it right H
Pele SPARKED Vitali. Fact.
;D
Heres a good little article on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HQuote:
Originally Posted by cpcompany
He did beat Klitchko though - ask Fenster ;D
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The link isn't working just type in google Pele Reid vs Vitali Klitschko, click on the first link to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHeres a good little article on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HQuote:
Originally Posted by cpcompany
He did beat Klitchko though - ask Fenster ;D
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Yep. Fenster never lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThe link isn't working just type in google Pele Reid vs Vitali Klitschko, click on the first link to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHeres a good little article on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
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An eye witness account there of Vitali getting knocked unconcious by Pele Reid. Fact.
That's why it's laughable when these know-nothings say Haye can't KO Vitali :beat:
I might say Bob Sapp. You look at him and the guy's a monster. I saw some of those K-1 bouts and apart from size he had nothing. He could lay on an opponent, sap him and tap him a couple times and win. But anyone who knew how to stay away long enough could slap him around once he got tired. I remember him screaming, "I want Tyson!" Even that faded version of Tyson would have KILLED him. Sapp was too slow to touch Mike and let's be honest, Mike fought a hundred tomato cans who looked just like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
over here Bernard Dunne is way over hyped, beat a load of nobodys then lost to a...nobody
Andy Lee was way over hyped aswell even though I think he is quite talented
Clearly you can not deny his skills.No boubt about it.But I think you sumed it up perfectly right there.Thats my point,he was riding with skills yes...but had emmence backing/buildup...and yes Hype stemming from the gold at the Olympics.I mean,who doesn't.The networks could not get to him fast enough and he was in the limelight from dayone.Clearly he was talented but could not totally meet the level of expections that his handlers and Media set for him.He was all balls in with Tito,fought like a champion...but he was done after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseReid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage:fight:.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
JCC Jr. and Amir Khan currently.
To be fair.. Khan was a 17-year-old Olympic silver medalist hailing from Britain - not a place exactly overrun by worldwide boxing champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
And he is a very talented fighter.. just has a brain malfunction when it comes to defence and unfortunately possesses one of the most fragile chins ever known to man.
you all clearly forgot Prince Nasseem Hamed
I can't think of a fighter with more undeserved hype though, the Reebok sponsorship and PPV events, surely his career thus far should not merit such things. Hatton has truely earned his PPV status through attrition, I'm not a fan, but he has fought his way to where he is. You don't see Andre Ward headlining PPV events.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTo be fair.. Khan was a 17-year-old Olympic silver medalist hailing from Britain - not a place exactly overrun by worldwide boxing champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
And he is a very talented fighter.. just has a brain malfunction when it comes to defence and unfortunately possesses one of the most fragile chins ever known to man.