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    You on the Saddo's top 10 posters pound for pound list. But p4p or not take your neg rep.
    HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night

    Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins View Post
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    Gamboa .....I can not deny Oscars accomplishments but from day one as a professional I labeled him DeLaHypa.It really was NON STOP.

    David Reid
    You out of your mind. I expected better from you. Reid was an over achiever in the sport of Boxing. Not to many people can become World Champs fighting with basically one eye.

    You on the Saddo's top 10 posters pound for pound list. But p4p or not take your neg rep.
    HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night

    Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
    Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.

    A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.

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    Sons of great fighters often get over-hyped. Camacho Jr. is one that springs to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Nagel View Post
    Sons of great fighters often get over-hyped. Camacho Jr. is one that springs to mind.
    In the beginning I think the hype was justified. Camacho Jr had great hand speed and possessed good power. But in the end he turned out to be a biitch with no heart and poor training habits

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    i know ill get crucified on this one but i think joan guzman is all hype too. he challenged almost everybody. accusing everybody on his weight class that they ducked him and on his biggest fight ever(supposed to be) he cant even make weight. boring as hell too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
    i know ill get crucified on this one but i think joan guzman is all hype too. he challenged almost everybody. accusing everybody on his weight class that they ducked him and on his biggest fight ever(supposed to be) he cant even make weight. boring as hell too!

    I actually agree. Guzman has been a big disappointment of late

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    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
    i know ill get crucified on this one but i think joan guzman is all hype too. he challenged almost everybody. accusing everybody on his weight class that they ducked him and on his biggest fight ever(supposed to be) he cant even make weight. boring as hell too!
    Being disappointing of late and being a hype job is totally different, Joan Guzman is P4P one of the most skilled fighters in the world today. And he could beat anyone on any given night.

    And i honestly can't see how any true fan could find watching a skilled fighter like that boring. But i guess everyone has there own tastes/opinions.

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    In England ,Pele Reid was massively hyped. A few heavy KO defeats later he became a complete nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
    i know ill get crucified on this one but i think joan guzman is all hype too. he challenged almost everybody. accusing everybody on his weight class that they ducked him and on his biggest fight ever(supposed to be) he cant even make weight. boring as hell too!
    Being disappointing of late and being a hype job is totally different, Joan Guzman is P4P one of the most skilled fighters in the world today. And he could beat anyone on any given night.

    And i honestly can't see how any true fan could find watching a skilled fighter like that boring. But i guess everyone has there own tastes/opinions.
    Well said.

    Guzman disgraced himself last year but is far from just a hype job.

    And boring? Behave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by josef4334 View Post
    i know ill get crucified on this one but i think joan guzman is all hype too. he challenged almost everybody. accusing everybody on his weight class that they ducked him and on his biggest fight ever(supposed to be) he cant even make weight. boring as hell too!
    Being disappointing of late and being a hype job is totally different, Joan Guzman is P4P one of the most skilled fighters in the world today. And he could beat anyone on any given night.

    And i honestly can't see how any true fan could find watching a skilled fighter like that boring. But i guess everyone has there own tastes/opinions.
    i know everybody has their own opinion and taste about boxing and how fighters should be. I, for one, likes a good fight. back and forth action. guzman doesnt do that. when guzman fought soto there was one time that he turned his back from soto and ran. come on man, who does that? he might have been good before but that was from mediocre fighters? his last KO was 2004. he hyped himself by sending letters to pacman too.. what a tool. even his last fight with ameth diaz was crap. he is lazy in training and it shows on how he fights. he's supposed to be a slick boxer with amazing handspeed yet his punch count is low compared to what is expected of him. he had his chance with campbell yet he blew what could have been the biggest money maker of his life.i dont think floyd sr even trains him anymore. if he is not hype then i dont know what hype is..
    well thats just my opinion.
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    You out of your mind. I expected better from you. Reid was an over achiever in the sport of Boxing. Not to many people can become World Champs fighting with basically one eye.

    You on the Saddo's top 10 posters pound for pound list. But p4p or not take your neg rep.
    HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night

    Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
    Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.

    A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
    I agree i don't think David Reid was a hype job either he was a good fighter, with good handspeed/slickness ETC. I have watched a few of his fights and he did struggle against people like Kevin Kelly who is only decent.

    But then he did comeback and beat Keith Mullings who despite the record, wern't a bad fighter himself he had a win over Terry Norris. Granted it wasn't a prime Terry Norris but i see that fight, and Terry Norris still performed well in that fight.

    And he was ahead but he got hurt and floored in round 8, and never recovered in the next round. Keith Mullings actually was only beat convincingly by Winky Wright, Steve Roberts, that was shocking to see Keith Mullings stopped so early against Steve Roberts.

    But anyway i thought David Reid was doing pretty good after 6 rounds against Felix Trinidad, i thought he was possibly ahead by 1 round. And he scored a decent knockdown, but after that it all went downhill and he got battered.

    But he still showed heart especially in the later rounds when he fought back, overall i think it was a hell of an achievement to win rounds and go 12 rounds against a prime Felix Trinidad. And even if he wouldn't of fought him the eye would always be a problem, and he wouldn't of had a long career anyway.

    Didn't he get the eye injury in the Olympics or something ? i remember hearing about that somewhere but i can't remember. By the way what is David Reid doing now anyway ?
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    HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night

    Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
    Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.

    A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
    I agree i don't think David Reid was a hype job either he was a good fighter, with good handspeed/slickness ETC. I have watched a few of his fights and he did struggle against people like Kevin Kelly who is only decent.

    But then he did comeback and beat Keith Mullings who despite the record, wern't a bad fighter himself he had a win over Terry Norris. Granted it wasn't a prime Terry Norris but i see that fight, and Terry Norris still performed well in that fight.

    And he was ahead but he got hurt and floored in round 8, and never recovered in the next round. Keith Mullings actually was only beat convincingly by Winky Wright, Steve Roberts, that was shocking to see Keith Mullings stopped so early against Steve Roberts.

    But anyway i thought David Reid was doing pretty good after 6 rounds against Felix Trinidad, i thought he was possibly ahead by 1 round. And he scored a decent knockdown, but after that it all went downhill and he got battered.

    But he still showed heart especially in the later rounds when he fought back, overall i think it was a hell of an achievement to win rounds and go 12 rounds against a prime Felix Trinidad. And even if he wouldn't of fought him the eye would always be a problem, and he wouldn't of had a long career anyway.

    Didn't he get the eye injury in the Olympics or something ? i remember hearing about that somewhere but i can't remember. By the way what is David Reid doing now anyway ?
    He got it at the Pan American Games. A year before the Olympics. It was against Daniel Santos. A punch to the eye did the damage. It caused the muscle in his eye lid to lose its elasticity. Making it sag. 4 surgeries couldn't fix the problem. Last I heard (which was a couple of years ago) Reid was doing alright. He made about 8 million in his career. Apparently he kept most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins View Post
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    You out of your mind. I expected better from you. Reid was an over achiever in the sport of Boxing. Not to many people can become World Champs fighting with basically one eye.

    You on the Saddo's top 10 posters pound for pound list. But p4p or not take your neg rep.
    HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night

    Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.
    Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.

    A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
    Clearly you can not deny his skills.No boubt about it.But I think you sumed it up perfectly right there.Thats my point,he was riding with skills yes...but had emmence backing/buildup...and yes Hype stemming from the gold at the Olympics.I mean,who doesn't.The networks could not get to him fast enough and he was in the limelight from dayone.Clearly he was talented but could not totally meet the level of expections that his handlers and Media set for him.He was all balls in with Tito,fought like a champion...but he was done after that.

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    JCC Jr. and Amir Khan currently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    JCC Jr. and Amir Khan currently.
    To be fair.. Khan was a 17-year-old Olympic silver medalist hailing from Britain - not a place exactly overrun by worldwide boxing champions.

    And he is a very talented fighter.. just has a brain malfunction when it comes to defence and unfortunately possesses one of the most fragile chins ever known to man.
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