http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3jZ6OhEZPY
Georges St-Pierre Vs. BJ Penn
Lyoto Machida Vs. Thiago Silva
Stephan Bonnar Vs. Jon Jones
Karo Parisyan Vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Nate Diaz Vs. Clay Guida
Who do you think is gong to win??
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3jZ6OhEZPY
Georges St-Pierre Vs. BJ Penn
Lyoto Machida Vs. Thiago Silva
Stephan Bonnar Vs. Jon Jones
Karo Parisyan Vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Nate Diaz Vs. Clay Guida
Who do you think is gong to win??
Amazing fight . Worth staying up for. GSP wins this for me he is the better all round fighter and even though some say he was lucky to get the decision the 1st time , I think this time it goes teh distance again but he will win more convincingly
Machida vs Silva is a great fight too
I think talent wise these guys are pretty even. If BJ comes in top shape and has the kind of gas tank he has shown at 155 I think he will make it very close, but GSP's size/strength/athleticism will allow him to dictate the pace and control the fight. I think he will win another SD. I expect Machida to win another uneventful UD. Bonnar should be able to handle and rather unexperienced Jones. Guy is an awesome athlete but not ready for a seasoned tough guy like Bonnar. I don't know Pariysan's opponent but Karo has been a little sketchy as of late. I think Guida puts Diaz away late in the 2nd round. Ought to be a good show
the main event is a toss up but I'm going for BJ Penn all the way.:cool:
I think St. Pierre wins this convincingly. I have much respect for Penn but St. Pierre has come along very nicely and I think he has now separated from the pack. I have St. Pierre number #2 p4p in MMA. Fedor #1 A. Silva #3. I know I am in the minority but I just go by my reasoning instead of being persuaded by other arguments.
If anyone has any reliable links to streams for this, please PM me what you got. Not necessarily JTV because those will get killed I think, unless it is a small private room.
Will fix you back up with countless upcoming boxing PPV bigfight free links etc and anything else I can muster.
A weak first post in a long time, but:
GSP all the way. I love Penn and I really think he has the tools to be one of the greatest of all time, but he blew it with his lack of effort. He's still a great fighter and fun to watch, but GSP wants this much more in my opinion. I think GSP wins in the late rounds by ref stoppage.
Machida will make an ass out of Thiago, but in "boring" decision fashion, picking him apart without ever fully committing to anything.
All in all, another event that I'm gonna be pissed about working through :P
Heavy, where you been man? Place aint the same without you.
Damned if I know man :P
Generally just been too busy working to handle anything else. My new computer's HDD shat out on me, and I haven't been motivated enough to fix it. So I just recently cannabilized my old rig into this new one. So I hope to be back around again. This board doesn't seem to lively anymore, so maybe we can fix that.
Come spring time, I'm gettin my ass back in shape and joinin up with the USAF in the fall. Been out of the fight game too long and really want back in, so training for Basic oughta help that venture.
gggsssppp!!!!
BJ looked like shiit out there. my hats off to GSP. what an incredible wrestler. took his spirit. u just can see it in BJ's eyes that he can't guard GSP.
I really like both guys but that was a very impressive performance from GSP. Totally dominated the fight.
that describes the fight well.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesrman
fight was stopped early. I have a tremendous amount of respect for penn as a fighter, but I hate the little prick. Would have liked to see gsp hurt hims for 5 more minutes.
One of the most dominant showings of two great fights I've ever seen. I wasn't suprised that GSP won but I didn't expect the one sided beat down. Hats off to Machida I expected a boring UD but he blasted Thiago. If he doesn't get the next title shot I'll be pissed. I thought Diaz got screwed on the decision but its hard not to like Guida. Guida did a lot of controlling but other than the 2nd round did very little damage. The Jones kid looked awesome for the first two rounds. Bright future but he is going to need a better gas tank. Bonnar was hurting him in the third b/c he gassed. Karo seriously needs a lot more work.
Bonnar officially changed his nickname to "The waste".
Not terribly surprised by the outcome of the BJ GSP fight, just wasn't prepared for how bad of a beatdown it would be.
That kind of exciting KO is exactly what the UFC needed from Machida. That one HL reel will be enough to excite casual fans, especially when added onto his other legit dominations. Add onto that the fustercluck that the LHW division seems to be right now, and this is the perfect time for him to get his title shot. Can't wait to see him take that belt.
Machida shocked everyone. He actually engaged to some extent.
If Machida doesn't get the next title shot I'll be dissapointed. I think Jackson and Griffin should have to fight each other before one of them gets another crack at the title. Put Machida in against Rashad at 99 or 100 have Griffin fight the Chuck/Shogun winner. If he wins then have him fight Jackson for the next title shot.
How can people not like Machida? Look at his resume... though him against Penn wasn't exactly a barn burner, he's great at everything, and he deserves the title shot, He is a really small LHW IMO, and it will be interesting to see how his skills compare to the size and speed of Evans, or the size and determination of Forrest, or even the raw power and good boxing skills of Rampage.
Rampage vs Rashad
Rampage vs Machida
Rampage vs Shogun2
Rampage vs Forrest2
Rampage vs Chuck2 would be all great fights.
and Forrest vs Chuck, Machida vs Rashad, Machida vs Chuck would also be a cracker :D
not to quibble over details but it would be Rampage vs Chuck 3 but I will speculate on some of these
Rampage vs Rashad
- Rashad has all of the physical tools and has become pretty well rounded. Greg Jackson will put together a good plan. I think Rampage still has the edge on striking. If this is true then Rashad will need get the fight to ground. While he may be a better wrestler I think Page's strength and experience will make it difficult for Rashad to keep him there. Rampage by UD or late TKO
Rampage vs Machida
- Machida's defense is very good, but his beard will be tested. Page will land and we will just have to see if Machida's jaw can hold up. I don't think Page can win a decision against this guy but I do think he could wear Machida down and win a late round KO in a 5 rounder. This is a tough call but I'd take Machida by SD
Ramage vs Shogun 2
-Whether its previous steroid use, too many injuries, different rules or something else Shogun isn't close to his Pride self. Barring dramatic turnaround Rampage by brutal 2nd round KO
Rampage vs Forrest 2
-Griffin is a total wildcard. The guy comes in good shape with a good plan and ready to fight. This guy could easily be undefeated in the Octagon. I thought he beat Ortiz and was winning against both Jardine and Rashad when he got iced. The truth is the guy will once again push Page to his limits but I think Quinton will be better prepared with his new camp. This time he will find a chink in Forrest armor and put him away in the 4th
Rashad vs Machida
-This should be the next LHW title fight. Even with Rashad's evolution he can't match this guy on the feet. So can Jackson work up a plan to put Lyoto on the mat? I don't think so. Machida picks him apart for a UD
Chuck vs anybody
-Even with the slowing of reflexes and general decline from wear and tear Chuck has been figured out and hasn't made any changes to his game. People have figured out the low hands, looping punches and that Chuck is much better as a counter puncher than as an aggressor. The guys still has a great TD defense and is always one punch from ending any fight but until he can start haveing a better gameplan and change up his style he isn't going to win much against top caliber LHWs. I do pick him to beat Shogun though. Chuck really needs to change training camps or bring in some new guys if he is serious about ever wearing LHW gold again.
Blah....Chuck is done. I feel it's far too late in his career to be making any considerable changes to his fight game, especially considering how little it has ever changed at all. He HAD the tools to become a much more complete fighter, but his days of bullshit wins are over. He was never that good, he was just a very strong puncher. I look at him the same way I look at Tyson...he had all the tools, but could never get away from the allure of punching your way to every victory instead of using a good gameplan and technical skill set. I've called it for years, and I'm happy to see these younger fighters proving me right by destroying Chuck.
Page vs Machida or Evans vs Machida are probably the only two fights that genuinely excite me on that list. The only other one I would add would be Forrest vs Machida. I think that it's gonna take more than a good gameplan or skill set to beat Machida...it's gonna take heart, and nobody has shown me more heart than Forrest.
Heavy I might tend to agree that Chuck is past it and that the game has evolved past him but to say he was never that good is just absurd. You don't beat these guys by just getting BS winsQuote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
Couture
Sobral
Ortiz
Belfort
Wanderlei
Horn
Overeem
Metzger
Bustamante
Monson
Randleman
The guy could never win again but with that resume will be one of the best LHWs to ever lace them up
Good analysis VanChilds, out of interest how do you see Anderson Silva doing against these guys if he does move up as planned?Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
I'd love to see Silva mix it with these guys.
You ever reckon we could see Fedor in the UFC and if so in this light heavyweight weight class? I was suprised how small Tito made him look in the affliction card, I reckon he could easily make this weight.
In fact I think an Anderson Silva vs Fedor showdown at 185 would be techinically possible and would pit the worlds two best fighters against each other. Wonder if it will ever happen?
actually an interesting argument b/w Van and D. Two old foes that make this place all the better.
And I can actually see it both ways. Chuck is a legend, awesome power in his prime...
but...
a very one dimensional game. Is that truly "great." He had a bad tendency to drop his hands.
So, probably guy who was a BIT of a big fish in a small pond (which many old school UFCers are) but at the same time had one of the the best right hands we've ever seen, who could drop ANYONE.. PROVIDED he could make them fight HIS fight. That's harder to do all the time as the game evolves.
A guy can only fight in the era he has. I think we can safely say Marciano would have a lot of problems with the bigger HWs of today. This in no way takes away from how great he was. I agree that even a prime Chuck would be behind the curve on where MMA has evolved to today, but there was a period of time where he was as good as any LHW in the world. His resume is full of KOs against top notch fighters. As far as one dimensional goes. Hughes is another example of a great fighter who also hasn't evolved. The guy epitomizes one dimensional but does this take away from his legacy?
Bilbo,
Anderson has shown he has no problem fighting at 205. I think he would demolish Forrest. Rashad to me is a less experienced Rampage. Great athlete, good wrestling and vastly improved striking but he would be in over his head. He will get a take down or two and have his moments but eventually the Spider gets a ko or sub no later than the 3rd. Rampage is a tough call. After watching the Forrest fight I firmly believe that Anderson could out "plan" Quinton. I don't think this would be a very exciting fight early on. Anderson would use his reach and technique to frustrate Rampage. If its a 5 rounder Rampage will lose patience and ratchet up the pressure and get caught in the Spider clinch. See Rampage vs Wandy 1&2 for results. I believe that Anderson Silva is the kryptonite to Machida. His size/techniqu/balance will make it very hard for Lyoto to be a counter puncher. I believe that Machida will have to press the action to win this one. That being said no one fights backing up better that Anderson. Spider by SD.
Now about Mr. Emelianko: I dont think we ever see this fight. Anderson is eyeing the end of his career and getting Fedor under contract will be tough. Affliction may or may not go under either way they are running out of options for their cash cow. After Barnett who will they match him with? W/O Fedor can they sell tickets? Anyway lets just say this fight did happen at 205. Fedor could make this weight after taking a big shit. Fedor isn't a technical striker. He has great hand speed and power but he doesn't striker with technique or a definitive game plan. His ground game is about as dynamic as they come. The man pulls subs out of thin air. He has a great chin, gas tank and never gets rattled. Most importantly the guys just knows how to win. Anderson's size and technique won't be an issue. He is neither the biggest or best striker Fedor as faced. He wont have a better ground game either. So the question isn't if, its how Fedor would win. I don't know how but this fight wouldn't go the distance and Mr Emelianko would have his hand raised at the end
No, of course it doesn't. When they were at their primes, they were the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
I fully understand the havoc that Chuck wrought upon the LHW division, but ever since I first saw him fight all those years ago, I immediately noticed that any decent striker should be able to eat him alive. He quasi proved me wrong with Tiger White, but even then, I felt he was losing until he got that magic jab that dropped White (although I admit, my memory MAY be tainted on that one). Randy Couture exposed that hardcore in their first fight, and even in their second and third. However, he wasn't quite able to avoid that right. I will take nothing away from his legacy, I guess, but in my eyes, he was simply never a very good fighter, simply a good puncher with a good enough jaw.
and with a great takedown D. Randy took him down and in fact slammed him to the ground but he was a superb Greco-Roman wrestler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
Chuck's style worked best as a counter puncher. If you look at his losses especially the 2nd Rampage fight, Quinton was moving forward but waiting for Chuck to throw first. Chuck has/had? real good reflexes and timing but not real good hand speed. His "looping" punches came at strange angle thus quite often his opponent didn't see them. I've heard the whole low hands was a big part of his take down defense. Even if this is true, in today's LHW picture most of the guys are stand up fighters first and he should change this. When Chuck has to come forward or press the action he doesn't have the hand speed and isn't accustomed to throwing in combinations to do well. There was a brief period of time where Chuck's style was more technical than most MMA strikers (brawlers might be a better title) but the striking game has come leaps and bounds in the past couple of years. Chuck should really look to put more kicks into his game plan and after having success with takedowns against Wandy why not look for more GNP. Its probably to late but if he doesn't get some new people in his camp that will challenge his style and gameplan he won't get another win against a top 5 LHW.
True about the takedown D, but I wouldn't quite call him skilled in Greco-Roman wrestling...I don't recall any instances where he ever did ANYTHING with the clinch, etc. His takedown D was stellar, but that's about all I ever saw from him wrestling wise.
And I also realize I'm in the big time minority in this issue. Like I said earlier, I equate him to Mike Tyson. Tyson had a tight guard and some of the most explosive fists the sport has seen in quite some time, but to me, he was never a truly great boxer. And while I understand the whole D'Amato thing, once Tyson was "found out," people ate him alive. Same thing with Chuck. He did great and beat many people, but people can now see Chuck's pony doing its one trick from a mile away.
And yeah, I realize I'm essentially just brewing a shit storm, but I just never really saw how people couldn't pick his stand up apart.
Well Heavy I do agree that Tyson is woefully over rated. The difference to me is Tyson never beat another great boxer who wasn't well past their prime. If you or anyone believes that Couture is a great fighter then Chuck has to be given credit for going 2-1 against the guy. Outside of Randy Chuck's win over Overeem was very impressive to me. Overeem is a huge LHW and a great striker. Chuck took everything the guy had then iced him. MMA is a very young sport and as its grown people have definately figured Chuck out now but during his "prime" the sport leaned more towards submissions and GnP. He had a great style to counter this. Now he needs a lot of work if its not too late already.
Fair enough...I can agree to that I guess :P
Also, Sherdog reporting Penn's camp officially filed their complaint with the NSAC, so here comes the fun
Oops.. I was referring to Randy Couture as the one having great Greco-Roman wrestling skills. He took Chuck down by pitting him to the fence then used the bounce to slam him. Against freestyle wrestlers, Chuck's takedown D is a nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
Ah, now that makes a lot more sense to me.
great news. now they can fight a third time but this time GSP ends penn's career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
that said, I'd be surprised if penn even had the guts to face gsp again.
I used to love Penn, but his shenanigans his last few losses have been absolutely childish. I believed him against Hughes, but now in retrospect, it seems like he always has an excuse for why he lost, instead of just getting back to the gym and improving his game. GSP is an exemplary athlete and one of the classiest acts out there. He's not so slowly becoming the new role model for MMA in the vein (vain, vane? Not sure how to spell this one) of Randy Couture.
Yep. He does come up with lame excuses. But I'm sure the world knows that the shiit that Phil Nurse did during the fight was as illegal as it can get. And even if that wasn't against BJ Penn, I'm also sure we would also hear someone complaining by now. The fact that Penn challenged a much bigger fighter and a great champion doesn't make him a pussy. I don't think he's a pussy. After he saw how GSP dismantled Matt Hughes, Sera and Fitch he could have just opted to stay at lightweight. But sadly for you haters he didn't.:-\