would calzaghe of ever been beaten??

46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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Top 5 P4P all time champions? Are u out of your mind?

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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i think he could of broke marcianos record,but they would of had to be meaningful fights.i think his hunger is goin tho as he said himself.and you dont want to fight when you feeling like that,or u could end up on the wrong side of a beating. top five of all time no, did he have the ability to be yes. i think calzaghe is an amazing talent,not every ones cup of tea but hey.ive said this before and ill say it again,calzaghe on his absolute A game is unbeatable.or at the very least could of lived with anyone of the all time greats

Joe would have got beat eventually if he chose to fight RJJ in his prime. He chose to fight Ottke rejects form winning the title from Eubanks to Lacy which lengthened his career but not his legacy.

Calzaghe... top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?

'You mean he's up there with SRR, Joe Lewis, and Ali?

Of course he could have been beaten, any fighter can be. A fairly substantial number of people felt he lost to Hopkins, who regardless of the Pavlik performance, is not what he once was. Also Joe Calzaghe is a great champion, possibly the greatest British boxer of all time, but IMO he is not within touching distance of the top 5 of all time, his achievements & general skill level just do not take him anywhere near that high. Also not sure that he can become the greatest British sportsman of all time simply for the fact that he does not have the mass appeal or recognition that a Bobby Moore or Charlton have

Calzaghe is certainly a better sportsman than any footballers from Britain, Calzaghe has consistantly been the best in his division for 11 years, no footballer could say they have been that.

Here is a quote from Cuss D'amato about Ali that I think fits Calzaghe also.

"Any fighter who fought Muhammad Ali was intimidated by him.

You see, Ali's secret weapon was a tremendous will to win, an ability to take his own fear and project it as an irresistable force, which immediately tended to inhibit the ability of his opponent to execute what he knew."

I honestly think Calzaghe would have either run into a huge puncher because his chin isn't super amazing, its really good, but Kessler hurt him several times.

OR

Chad Dawson would have beat him. Chad has that same will to win, is faster, bigger, and goes to the body unlike anybody else who fought Calzaghe. I think he is the first guy who could match Calzaghe in every department, I think even though it was extremely close he stayed in there with a very tough, very high output Glen Johnson who walks through anything.

Which brings me to another guy I've always felt would beat Calazaghe, and thats Glen Johnson, I think he has a way better chin, he would back Calzaghe up and break his will because nobody else has ever matched Joe's stamina and Glen would, I see JOe winning this more often than not, but I think Glen could find a way if he was having a hot night.

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I honestly think Calzaghe would have either run into a huge puncher because his chin isn't super amazing, its really good, but Kessler hurt him several times.

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Show us a clip where Joe is stumbling, reeling, holding for dear life or putting the earmuffs on against Kessler, he was never hurt, sure he felt some power but not hurt.

if calzaghe wanted he could get to 60 fights undefeated! just that no one out there

chad dawson aint proven shit, & no one in britain knows who the hell he is
hopkins - pointless already beaten him & hopkins didnt wanna fight he just wanted to moan & cheat in first meeting
RJJ already beat him sensless
Glen Johnson oh please;D
kelly pavlik ha ha ha
jermain taylor - calzaghe would deal with him easier than any of the above
carl froch - maybe to shut froch mouth up

so no he would never of been beaten, he's got balls, he's aggressive, and he never quits

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I honestly think Calzaghe would have either run into a huge puncher because his chin isn't super amazing, its really good, but Kessler hurt him several times.

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Show us a clip where Joe is stumbling, reeling, holding for dear life or putting the earmuffs on against Kessler, he was never hurt, sure he felt some power but not hurt.

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Just off the top of my head, I think it was the fourth round Kessler lands a right uppercut that hurts Joe.

You don't have to be stumbling around or reeling to be hurt, but he definitely lost his balance point at the moment, and it happened after that as well a few times.

I'm not showing you a clip go watch the fight again you lazy bastard.

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if calzaghe wanted he could get to 60 fights undefeated! just that no one out there

chad dawson aint proven shit, & no one in britain knows who the hell he is
hopkins - pointless already beaten him & hopkins didnt wanna fight he just wanted to moan & cheat in first meeting
RJJ already beat him sensless
Glen Johnson oh please;D
kelly pavlik ha ha ha
jermain taylor - calzaghe would deal with him easier than any of the above
carl froch - maybe to shut froch mouth up

so no he would never of been beaten, he's got balls, he's aggressive, and he never quits

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If people don't know who Chad Dawson is then how do they know how good he is? How is beating Adamek, Tarver, and Harding soundly not proving yourself? Its more than Calzaghe had done up until he fought Hopkins.

No way is Calzaghe up there with the greatest of all time.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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ok sick of making Calzaghe out to be some god, Dawson would beat him at 175 and honestly how the hell did Joe clean out the division??? he hasn't fought tough and rugged Glen Johnson, he hasn't fought the man that many think is really #1 at lightheavy which is Dawson, hell he's even too scared to give the man i feel already beat him in B-Hop, in 2001 Jones would have destroyed Calzaghe and would have made him look ordinary at best. the fact that Calzaghe wasn't even able to really blow away the loser from the Contender Peter Manfredo, a man who was whooped by a welterweight and a jr. middleweight, it says alot

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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100% without a doubt! A well placed shot to the chin causing the brain to slosh its way the back of the head causing blackout or OK. Since there is no specific way to pinpoint the exact cause it is considered chance.... but the point is, it can happen to any fighter.

Not to belittle the mans accomplishments but there have been many boxers, although they did quit undefeated, with more wins without a loss than Calzague. It's just Calzague decided he had enough.... Every boxer (Pacquiao, Mayweather, SR Robinson... etc) in and out of the game could have been been OK'd and end up with a "L" on thier record... It is NOT a scracred! statistic and quite to the contrary a fighter that comes back from down or a a loss earns more respect from his peers and fans alike.

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46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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Joke?

and it's "would've" or "would have" not "would of".

"would of" doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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Calzaghe lost twice. To Reid and Hopkins. Both fights at least warranted a rematch. Hatton is going to get jealous the way your sucking Calzaghe's dikk.

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Just off the top of my head, I think it was the fourth round Kessler lands a right uppercut that hurts Joe.

You don't have to be stumbling around or reeling to be hurt, but he definitely lost his balance point at the moment, and it happened after that as well a few times.

I'm not showing you a clip go watch the fight again you lazy bastard.

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Well, prove me wrong because until you do, I know im right, Joe didnt faulter at all during that fight, he did take some big shots, nice clean shots as well and just shrugged them off to keep on working;)

Unless you can post a clip of him being "hurt" in the Kessler fight, shut up;D

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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Is it possible to "clean out a division" in two fights? Last I heard, the only people fought at LHW was Hopkins (which he nearly lost) and Jones (a shadow of his former self). He decided that he didn't want to bother trying to clean out LHW. He won the lineal championship, but he didn't clean out squat.

I think Calzaghe could have matched or even beat the great Marciano's record if he continued,but like someone stated on here apart from the Dawson fight the other fights would have just been made up really would'nt there:-\.For me Calzaghe could have got to 50-0.He has great arsenal at his natural will.He has relently desire and stamima and a great great work rate,great hand speed and a great chin"The best chin i've seen in all my years of watching boxing!"Yeah he could have beat the record,but like Calzaghe said himself a few months back that he does'nt aim to beat Marciano's as Marciano is and will still be a legend and he want to respect that!Nice words for Calzaghe;)


I miss Calzaghe already.Im watching his fights on dvd recently and he's such a class act to watch,very skillfull!Great technician of the ring!!!!

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Just off the top of my head, I think it was the fourth round Kessler lands a right uppercut that hurts Joe.

You don't have to be stumbling around or reeling to be hurt, but he definitely lost his balance point at the moment, and it happened after that as well a few times.

I'm not showing you a clip go watch the fight again you lazy bastard.

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Well, prove me wrong because until you do, I know im right, Joe didnt faulter at all during that fight, he did take some big shots, nice clean shots as well and just shrugged them off to keep on working;)

Unless you can post a clip of him being "hurt" in the Kessler fight, shut up;D

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You probably don't even own the fight, yet your talking trash, go to the file board, download the fight and watch yourself. If you can't do that then go fuck yourself. Calzaghe was hurt a few times in that fight.

No he wasnt, I watched it live dopey, Calzaghe was never hurt, Kessler was, he got a nice respite after the judge pulled Joe off him, Joe had just cracked him to the ribs;D

He would have lost eventually because his pace/workrate was his main weapon that won him a lot of fights and that inevitably declines with age.

Lose 20% of your commitment and he might not be as super fit stamina wise as he usually was and could find himself on the wrong side of a decision. But I dont think a top form Calzaghe loses to anyone currently around no, he just racks up too many points.

I think he quit at the right time. I think the fact he got put on his ass in the 1st round of his last 2 fights was a wake up call. Maybe showed a bit of complacency on his part. Maybe wasnt absolutely 100% focused on fighting. Maybe his skills/speed were starting to decline.

And fwiw I believe only those with the heaviest Hopkins/Reid tinted glasses could say he lost those fights. Hopkins draw at best and Reid took too many rounds off to get a points decision.

Dawson would take his 0.

I think the knockdowns were largely because he doesn't spar.

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I think Calzaghe could have matched or even beat the great Marciano's record if he continued,but like someone stated on here apart from the Dawson fight the other fights would have just been made up really would'nt there:-\.For me Calzaghe could have got to 50-0.He has great arsenal at his natural will.He has relently desire and stamima and a great great work rate,great hand speed and a great chin"The best chin i've seen in all my years of watching boxing!"Yeah he could have beat the record,but like Calzaghe said himself a few months back that he does'nt aim to beat Marciano's as Marciano is and will still be a legend and he want to respect that!Nice words for Calzaghe;)


I miss Calzaghe already.Im watching his fights on dvd recently and he's such a class act to watch,very skillfull!Great technician of the ring!!!!

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yea the way he clowns his opponants and grinded up agains B-Hops ass :rolleyes: reaaaaaaaaaaaal classy :-X

:rolleyes: Way to stroke his " Ego ". I guess im the only one that thinks Calzaghes chin sucks. I agree he was hurt in the Kessler fight, and we all remember an old Roy Jones almost TKO him in the first round. He lost to Hopkins in my opinion(who also drop him). It's insane that you would put him in your top 5 all-time. But then again your from Englad :P. Calzaghe is not a class act btw, if he was he would rematch Hopkins, and would of not disrespected Roy the way he did. If it was prime Jones i wear calzaghe would not make it past the 5th.

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Oh I forgot to mention im not a big fan of the slaps. You talk about how all hopkins wanted to do was hold and moan. What about Calzaghe he did not want to fight etheir he was slapping the whole fight. Hopkins counter him and won the fight with more effective punching.....

yes and thats why he retired

Right, for all the people who are saying that Joe got hurt could you post up the whole round of the fights that he got hurt in and we will see how hurt he was;D

If no one does then thats because they know he wasnt hurt;)

Who knows whether or not he would of been beaten. I think everybody agrees there were fights that could of happened that didnt and a couple of fights that happened too late to actually properly count.

But my problem with trying to picture some of these fights happening is Calzaghes gift of being able to work out alternative game plans while in the middle of a fight.

Theres also other things id like to take into account.

1 his chin, hes no different than anybody else in being able to be knocked down with a flash shot, but the way he recovers in a matter of seconds needs to be respected, by the time hes took his count its like he was never hit and it also seems to make him better for the rest of the round. This needs to be taken into consideration.

2. His power, I believe it to be a little underestemated, taking in comments by previous opponants who were calling him a slapper before the fight then noting their suprise at his power after the fights shows me hes stronger puncher than he gets credit for, And even more so before his hands and wrists gave up on him he was seen as a capable knockout boxer.

3. His boxing skills, unparelleled as far as im concered. he scores enough to out box anybody out there now, in the early 2000's and in the late 90's.

So really what would it take to beat him? a boxing genius with huge punch rates, massive knockout power, immense stamina and an iron chin of thier own.

Who fits that bill? No 1 that comes to mind for me. A prime Jones jr is the closest I get.

Mayweather not even ranked that high how can Calzaghe be he is a good champion i say in the top 30 not much higher then that maybe he might be in some peoples book but i think in the general view of things he while be put somewhere in the top 30 which is not that bad at all tell you teh truth i dont think he got the fights when they would of counted most.

Calzaghe, Jones, Benn, Eubank, Toney, and Hopkins are to blame for themselves not being considered the hands down all time greatest fighters......they took their damn sweet time to fight meaningful fights.

I rate RJJ higher than all of them but it also disappoints me the most that he didn't fight better guys during his prime.

I feel had Calzaghe faced either a prime Jones or Hopkins he would have lost.

Do love it when the bitter americans come on claiming either chad dawson or glen johnson would of beaten calzaghe.

GLEN JOHNSON - are you fucking serious

The guy would be tailor made for calzaghe to run rings around for 12rounds.

As for chad dawson - Adamek knocked him down and glen johnson beat him - if you seriously think a guy with 20something and 0 and has already come up short has a chance against a ring bully like calzaghe your out of your minds!

America spent years building up the likes of RJJ and hopkins as all time great champions and along comes an unknown from the welsh valleys and blows both of them away - all of a sudden your so called legends fade into comparison compared to jonny foreigner!!

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if calzaghe wanted he could get to 60 fights undefeated! just that no one out there

chad dawson aint proven shit, & no one in britain knows who the hell he is
hopkins - pointless already beaten him & hopkins didnt wanna fight he just wanted to moan & cheat in first meeting
RJJ already beat him sensless
Glen Johnson oh please;D
kelly pavlik ha ha ha
jermain taylor - calzaghe would deal with him easier than any of the above
carl froch - maybe to shut froch mouth up

so no he would never of been beaten, he's got balls, he's aggressive, and he never quits

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If people don't know who Chad Dawson is then how do they know how good he is? How is beating Adamek, Tarver, and Harding soundly not proving yourself? Its more than Calzaghe had done up until he fought Hopkins.[/quo

Fair enough Chad is a very good fighter and beating Adamek is good but tarver not such a great acheivment lets face it tarver looks like hes slipping, he hasnt put on a show stopping performance since probly rjj. Calzag has no reason to fight on, chad imo would have no chance at all in dealing with calzaghe's awkwardness, experience and never mind the crazy number of punches he throws (hopkins would have more chance). I do agree in between eubank and lacy calzaghe wasted alot of time fighting bums. (this will effect his all time great status) But dont forget calzaghe staying out of america so long wud hav had alot to do frank warren.
Even though i am a huge calzaghe i hav to be honest and say he wouldnt hav beatn a prime rjj and i think frank warren knew this at the time.

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Do love it when the bitter americans come on claiming either chad dawson or glen johnson would of beaten calzaghe.

GLEN JOHNSON - are you fucking serious

The guy would be tailor made for calzaghe to run rings around for 12rounds.

As for chad dawson - Adamek knocked him down and glen johnson beat him - if you seriously think a guy with 20something and 0 and has already come up short has a chance against a ring bully like calzaghe your out of your minds!

America spent years building up the likes of RJJ and hopkins as all time great champions and along comes an unknown from the welsh valleys and blows both of them away - all of a sudden your so called legends fade into comparison compared to jonny foreigner!!

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LOL Here Here!

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Do love it when the bitter americans come on claiming either chad dawson or glen johnson would of beaten calzaghe.

GLEN JOHNSON - are you fucking serious

The guy would be tailor made for calzaghe to run rings around for 12rounds.

As for chad dawson - Adamek knocked him down and glen johnson beat him - if you seriously think a guy with 20something and 0 and has already come up short has a chance against a ring bully like calzaghe your out of your minds!

America spent years building up the likes of RJJ and hopkins as all time great champions and along comes an unknown from the welsh valleys and blows both of them away - all of a sudden your so called legends fade into comparison compared to jonny foreigner!!

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Well plenty of people are hot on David Haye who has already been KO'd by a cruiserweight sooooo can you really blame the people who think that way?

Also when Lennox Lewis was fighting he had to crawl out under the shaddows of Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, and Riddick Bowe to make his own legacy and to accomplish that he sought those guys out to fight them and beat them AND he came to America to do it.

I think a late 90's RJJ and a early 2000's Hopkins would both walk over Joe but Chad Dawson? gimme a break. If Glen Johnson can beat him to the punch and catch him cleanly then Joe will make mince meat of him. Joe will beat him to the punch EVERY time and won't get hit either. I think the only person right now who would have a genuine chance of beating Joe would be a slick defensive fighter.. I think a Mayweather at super middle would tear Joe apart.

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America spent years building up the likes of RJJ and hopkins as all time great champions and along comes an unknown from the welsh valleys and blows both of them away - all of a sudden your so called legends fade into comparison compared to jonny foreigner!!

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You said a hell of a lot in that one sentence there :

Along comes an unknown - Funny isn't it how Calzaghe had 45 or so fights and was STILL an unknown in the boxing world. Why? Because he didn't have the balls to quit being Frank Warren's spoilt baby boy and just accepted the ego rub that Frank was giving him. Mario Veit x 2? Where the fuck was Reid x2 or Hopkins x2? Pussy...

Legends...you're right there mate! He waited for Hopkins or RJJ to be damn near mummified before wanting to step in with the already 'LEGENDS'. Why not fight them prime for prime so we could establish who the true great legends were gonna be back then? Pussy...

Basically...fuck Joe Calzaghe. I rate Benn, Eubank, Hatton and Lewis higher than that turd.

JC, Top 5 champ of all time?...wow...:o Someone's smoking some serious JC cock with that statement...

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46-0, every major fighter beaten, 2 divisions completely cleaned up and unified - is it fair to say that had joe calzaghe decided to stay around for a couple of years he would of gone to possibly eclipse marcianos unbeaten record??

He just strikes me as the kind of fighter that is so good he just doesnt have to turn up and fight his A game to beat a guy and apart from perhaps dawson catching him with something special there really was nothing of any threat that would of suggested joe would be in danger of not getting to 50-52 straight wins.

Remember hearing the chant at the hatton-mayweather weigh in aimed at bernard hopkins of "You`ll never beat calzaghe, you`ll never beat calzaghe" and it actually now seems pretty apt to be honest.

top 5 p4p all time greatest champions?? a good possibility
greatest ever british sportsmen?? id probably have him ahead of the likes of moore, charlton, botham etc!

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Calzaghe lost twice. To Reid and Hopkins. Both fights at least warranted a rematch. Hatton is going to get jealous the way your sucking Calzaghe's dikk.

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ok violent, just to repeat a post smashup mentioned in another post, if hopkins thought he was winning why was he trying to get calzaghe disqualified or get points taken from calzaghe, basically cheating, pls answer this question