Why I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing.

I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.

I doubt there is a single boxing fan who would disagree with you mate. One true champ per weight class is what the RING belt represents, but it's not enough really.

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I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.

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The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.

Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.

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The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.

Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.

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The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.

Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".

As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.

How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.

The UFC has had alot of ups and downs since it has started. Lets not forget that there has been mma for as many years as there has been boxing so lets not try to say that this is a new thing in the making. Give the UFC enough time and it will be as corrupt as boxing in no time. There has already been crappy scoring issues, steroid issues, contract issues, money issues, personnal problems with fighters and upper management being made public etc. And give it enough time and I'm sure we will see multiple champions. Rest assured any time something starts to get big and people know that they can make money off it they will try to by any means necessary. Introducing the new undisputed WMMA,UFC and IMMAF world champion BROOOCCK LEEESSNAR =).

Having a matchmaker makes all the difference in the world. Not being able to duck people for 10 years and other bullshit would really help boxing. :thumb:

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.

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The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.

Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.

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The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.

Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".

As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.

How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.

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1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.

2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.

3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.

Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.

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The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.

Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".

As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.

How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.

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1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.

2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.

3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.

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1a. Sorry, UFC is the promoter, matchmaker, sanctions, and pays the fighters. WBC or WBA receive money from fighters and don't participate in any promotion, etc.

2a. Use all the other people on the card for the headliners in the example as well and you will see that they aren't being ripped off. 10% of the headliners in boxing crack the million mark.

3a. Nate beat Juan Diaz who was in the process of unifying the titles. Casamayor was the most recognized champ, but that doesn't change the fact that Nate was a legitimate headlining champ.

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The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.

Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".

As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.

How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.

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1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.

2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.

3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.

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1a. Sorry, UFC is the promoter, matchmaker, sanctions, and pays the fighters. WBC or WBA receive money from fighters and don't participate in any promotion, etc.

2a. Use all the other people on the card for the headliners in the example as well and you will see that they aren't being ripped off. 10% of the headliners in boxing crack the million mark.

3a. Nate beat Juan Diaz who was in the process of unifying the titles. Casamayor was the most recognized champ, but that doesn't change the fact that Nate was a legitimate headlining champ.

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1) Alright the alphabet gangs are not exactly the same as the role the UFC plays; however, your missing the point, the purpose of my original post was to point out that the UFC is just one MMA sanctioning organization, and they do not allow their fighters to fight other organization fighters, such fighters from Affliction.

2) There is a UFC PPV every month, and there is a boxing PPV ever month. Compare the headliners. You'll be shocked to see how little the big MMA names make, and like I said before, that money is going right to Dana White and the other suits.

3) In boxing you have to beat the champion to become the champion. And as a fan you should accept no less. No matter how many paper titles Nate Campbell collected he would never become The Lightweight CHampion until he beat the champion.

IF you think otherwise, then you are buying into the cancerous alphabet gangs, who are destroying the clarity in this sport.

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.

2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.

3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.

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1a. Sorry, UFC is the promoter, matchmaker, sanctions, and pays the fighters. WBC or WBA receive money from fighters and don't participate in any promotion, etc.

2a. Use all the other people on the card for the headliners in the example as well and you will see that they aren't being ripped off. 10% of the headliners in boxing crack the million mark.

3a. Nate beat Juan Diaz who was in the process of unifying the titles. Casamayor was the most recognized champ, but that doesn't change the fact that Nate was a legitimate headlining champ.

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1) Alright the alphabet gangs are not exactly the same as the role the UFC plays; however, your missing the point, the purpose of my original post was to point out that the UFC is just one MMA sanctioning organization, and they do not allow their fighters to fight other organization fighters, such fighters from Affliction.

2) There is a UFC PPV every month, and there is a boxing PPV ever month. Compare the headliners. You'll be shocked to see how little the big MMA names make, and like I said before, that money is going right to Dana White and the other suits.

3) In boxing you have to beat the champion to become the champion. And as a fan you should accept no less. No matter how many paper titles Nate Campbell collected he would never become The Lightweight CHampion until he beat the champion.

IF you think otherwise, then you are buying into the cancerous alphabet gangs, who are destroying the clarity in this sport.

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1a. Understood, but I see it more like the NFL vs the USFL. There's a difference in the talent level, and the USFL signed alot of top talent but didn't last. Affliction is a tshirt company. If I was running UFC I wouldn't give Affliction the time of day. The other orgs are lower level than UFC. And somewhat function as a minor league for UFC.

2a. I don't think it's all going to Dana. I think percentage wise much more goes to the undercard fighters. I get your point and agree, but the big picture of all the fighters is my point. The undercard guys in UFC are better off than the undercard guys in boxing.

3a. Juan Diaz wasn't a paper champ, and Nate beat him for the titles. I get your point but don't agree in this scenario. The case for either guy being champ is argueable. Even so, Casamayor wasn't a million dollar purse earner. He only had 1 or 2 big paydays.

I'll say this every org that has attempted to pay MMA fighters big money has tanked. Affliction is living ppv to ppv. They can't put Fedor on every show and if one of them doesn't sell like it should I'm pretty sure you will see them in bankruptcy. I think the guys should get paid more but one would think that if they could get paid more somewhere else they would. I don't see them running to Dream in Japan or strikeforce or anywhere. Its a fighters market. I'm sure the UFC could pay more but I don't think million dollar purses for UFC headliners are in the budget. As far as the original posters sentiments. The fact that I get a minimum of 5 fights for my $50 dollars has pushed me more and more to MMA. I buy 1-2 boxing ppvs in a year where I used to buy 6+. I'd rather spend my money on a UFC PPV where I know I'm going to get to see multiple fights with top competitors. One belt per weight class is a no brainer but simply better matchmaking and good top to bottom cards would be a great start

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I'll say this every org that has attempted to pay MMA fighters big money has tanked. Affliction is living ppv to ppv. They can't put Fedor on every show and if one of them doesn't sell like it should I'm pretty sure you will see them in bankruptcy. I think the guys should get paid more but one would think that if they could get paid more somewhere else they would. I don't see them running to Dream in Japan or strikeforce or anywhere. Its a fighters market. I'm sure the UFC could pay more but I don't think million dollar purses for UFC headliners are in the budget. As far as the original posters sentiments. The fact that I get a minimum of 5 fights for my $50 dollars has pushed me more and more to MMA. I buy 1-2 boxing ppvs in a year where I used to buy 6+. I'd rather spend my money on a UFC PPV where I know I'm going to get to see multiple fights with top competitors. One belt per weight class is a no brainer but simply better matchmaking and good top to bottom cards would be a great start

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Definitely agree about the matchmaking. Also I think UFC has a good business plan. If it aint broke don't fix it. They hooked up with spike at a perfect time, and both benefited. I have HBO and Showtime, but I like that I can watch UFC on regular tv. Plus I think they get alot more sponsorships because of the regular tv thing.

The UFC is a complete shit-show. Yes, I respect the athleticism of many of the fighters. But if you look up steroids or HGH in the dictionary, you should see that organization and the majority of its champions standing front and center and physically depicting the resultant of performance enhancing substances.
When you throw the other elements of 'glove' size, and the fact that you've seen many fighters K.O.'d cold, only to see their opponents pummel them with several more shots before the fight is stopped, you have to come to a grim realization: there's a fine line between sport and truly barbaric, blood fests guised under the name of sport.
Where does one draw the line? Well, its really not for me to say. It's just my opinion. Watching tactful, intelligent phenoms like Royce Gracie was something to admire. However, once the parallels between UFC and WWE, freak show 'entertainment' on a much more dangerous level become obvious to anyone, thats when I jump ship.
Maybe its just me, but there's nothing like a good, old-fashioned, prize-fight. The UFC will never have anything on the sport of sports. One of my very few guilty pleasures.

I would hardly call UFC an organization. UFC is one promoter (the asshole bald guy) Anyways, it's been tried in boxing. I think they call it Don King Promotions, or something like that. :shakehead:

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Having a matchmaker makes all the difference in the world. Not being able to duck people for 10 years and other bullshit would really help boxing. :thumb:

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Boxing has matchmakers,I am one.And in all honesty it comes down to,"Who can I get on short notice?"
I have absolutely no idea why it allways come down to that,but it allways does.I allmost guarantee you my phone is going to ring for a fight in the next two days,and it will be for a 2 weeks notice fight. And even then half the replacement fights fall down.
You just spend most of your time trying to find someone who's good to go,on that date

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Having a matchmaker makes all the difference in the world. Not being able to duck people for 10 years and other bullshit would really help boxing. :thumb:

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Boxing has matchmakers,I am one.And in all honesty it comes down to,"Who can I get on short notice?"
I have absolutely no idea why it allways come down to that,but it allways does.I allmost guarantee you my phone is going to ring for a fight in the next two days,and it will be for a 2 weeks notice fight. And even then half the replacement fights fall down.
You just spend most of your time trying to find someone who's good to go,on that date

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WADR, good for you, but it's irrelevant to my post.

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Having a matchmaker makes all the difference in the world. Not being able to duck people for 10 years and other bullshit would really help boxing. :thumb:

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Boxing has matchmakers,I am one.And in all honesty it comes down to,"Who can I get on short notice?"
I have absolutely no idea why it allways come down to that,but it allways does.I allmost guarantee you my phone is going to ring for a fight in the next two days,and it will be for a 2 weeks notice fight. And even then half the replacement fights fall down.
You just spend most of your time trying to find someone who's good to go,on that date

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WADR, good for you, but it's irrelevant to my post.

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And since I wasnt responding to your post............

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Boxing has matchmakers,I am one.And in all honesty it comes down to,"Who can I get on short notice?"
I have absolutely no idea why it allways come down to that,but it allways does.I allmost guarantee you my phone is going to ring for a fight in the next two days,and it will be for a 2 weeks notice fight. And even then half the replacement fights fall down.
You just spend most of your time trying to find someone who's good to go,on that date

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WADR, good for you, but it's irrelevant to my post.

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And since I wasnt responding to your post............

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That makes it my mistake. oops sorry

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WADR, good for you, but it's irrelevant to my post.

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And since I wasnt responding to your post............

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That makes it my mistake. oops sorry

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Its cool,mistakes happen,its the internet

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The UFC is a complete shit-show. Yes, I respect the athleticism of many of the fighters. But if you look up steroids or HGH in the dictionary, you should see that organization and the majority of its champions standing front and center and physically depicting the resultant of performance enhancing substances.
When you throw the other elements of 'glove' size, and the fact that you've seen many fighters K.O.'d cold, only to see their opponents pummel them with several more shots before the fight is stopped, you have to come to a grim realization: there's a fine line between sport and truly barbaric, blood fests guised under the name of sport.
Where does one draw the line? Well, its really not for me to say. It's just my opinion. Watching tactful, intelligent phenoms like Royce Gracie was something to admire. However, once the parallels between UFC and WWE, freak show 'entertainment' on a much more dangerous level become obvious to anyone, thats when I jump ship.
Maybe its just me, but there's nothing like a good, old-fashioned, prize-fight. The UFC will never have anything on the sport of sports. One of my very few guilty pleasures.

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UFC fighters are subject to the same drug testing as boxers. They are tested before every fight. Maybe you are thinking of the former org named Pride out of Japan where there was no testing. Of the most recent UFC champs I can only think of Sean Sherk having a recent(last 12-24 months) positive steroid test. Entertainment is subjective so if you feel its too violent then your welcome to your opinion. That being said I don't think MMA fighters take more damage than an average boxer. There is no standing 8 count. The moment that a fighter fails to defend himself the fight is over. For a good example see the Koscheck fight from last night.

Yeah i'm fed up watching one sided beatings. Just watched Cotto-Jennings and Pavlik-Rubio and they were both exactly what i expected.

Collazo - Berto is a perfect example of what should be happening. Two very good fighters, very well matched going all out. That's whats great about the sport but these fights are so few and far between.

Problem is, when a fight like that takes place if someone has an off night (maybe you could say berto did slightly...or did he?) we as fans start getting on their backs....mainly because we are used to seeing un-competitive fights.

We build fighters up only to knock them down again. One belt would ensure that we only see the very best fights out there. No more 30-0 records and no more ppv's consisting of an over-protected champion going at it against another sacrifical lamb.

Well there is ups and downs to that like everything. Yes we'd have 1 champ per weight division, but if boxing was run in organizations, like MMA is, we would miss out on a lot of great matchups.

For anyone who has followed MMA for a few years, you'll remember the Pride/UFC rivalry. There were great fighters and champs in both orgs, but because they were different organizations, the potential fights were limited. Whereas in boxing, anyone can fight anyone as long as both camps agree on the purse split.

How about Thunderbox. That was sort of like the UFC model where boxers were a part of a league, and had to fight who ever the league told them to.

FWIW Diaz was never the Lightweight champ, he was a strap holder, a unified strap holder, but a strap holder none the less. Casamayor was the champ until JMM beat him and took the title. To answer the original question, I don't think a UFC type organization would be good for boxing. Sure there are plenty of things that could be changed, but we already have the Ring, and if people recognize that first and foremost then that is covered.

First, I am a fan of MMA and Boxing, but Boxing should NEVER be run like the UFC (nor could it ever be).
UFC is just one MMA promotion of many, and they don't allow their fighters to fight with fighters signed to other promotions.
There's a lot of them, some top names listed later.

The UFC boss has to be given credit for taking MMA mainstream, but unfortunately he's used the same business model as Vince McMahon's WWE pro-wrestling business model complete with long-term contracts and non-compete clauses. Basically the fighters are employees of the UFC, and their contracts are ridiculous concerning the inordinate amount of control the UFC has over them.
Could a boxer ever be fired off the program or after leaving the promotion, not be allowed to compete elsewhere for many months because of a non-compete clause. It's unethical and not a legitimate business model for a real sport.

The fighters give up so much, and the UFC pays them peanuts for it.
After fees, taxes, and expenses, Anderson Silva probably takes home only 70 thousand per fight, maybe 80 thousand.
I guarartee the UFC's making a lot more than that off him.
The UFC keeps the lion's share and they divide up the short-end amongst all the fighters.

It's not a legitimate model for any real sport.

When the UFC began, it was viewed somewhat as a carnival circus sideshow attraction. It strived for credibilty as a real sport and seemed to be succeeding, but they recently returned it to its carnival-like beginnings.

Allowing a man with only 3 fights and 18 months experience to compete for the UFC Heavyweight Title was a joke. 2 wins, 1 loss...earned him a shot at the Title.
Who did he beat to earn the shot? Journeyman Heath Herring?
There were experienced Heavyweights with years of experience right there.

The UFC Heavyweight Champ Randy Couture attempted to walk away from the UFC because he disagreed with how it is run. Many top fighters would not sign with them for the same reasons so there's a ton of great matchups that won't happen.

Top talents like:
Josh Barnett
Nick Diaz
Aoki
Joaquin Hansen
Gegard Mousasi
Frank Shamrock
Antonio Silva
Jacare
Cung Le
Arlovski
Jake Shields
Krazy Horse Bennett
Benji Radach
Aleksander Emelianenko
Matt Lindland
Tim Sylvia
Vitor Belfort
Carano
Joey Villasenor
Gilbert Melendez
Renato Sobral
KJ Noons
Sokoudjou
Robbie Lawler
Overeem
Takanori Gomi

^ Quite a list of top talnets who don't fight for the UFC. Some wouldn't sign, some had major problems during their time with the UFC.

The Greatest MMA fighter there's ever been, Fedor, would not sign with them because of these 1-sided slave contracts.

That's a scathing indictment of the UFC.

Boxing is corrupt and dirty, but it could never be run like the UFC anyway, but it should also never even be considered because of how the UFC railroads the fighters and puts the Jesse James to them.

Here at Saddoboxing, everybody already knows the multitudes of problems within boxing, but I think MMA is just as phucked as Boxing.

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Your list doesn't really tell the story

Diaz/Lawler/Sylvia/Belfort/Arlovski/Sokoudju
All simply ran their course in the UFC or were not performing at the level they once were. Sobral was released for holding a choke to long. Lindland/Barnett/Shamrock have all had long time differences with Dana White. Shields has said multiple times that he would like to come to the UFC. Aleks isn't fighting for anyone b/c of allegedly having hepititis or a visa issue depending on who you ask. I don't think a UFC type system would work for boxing either though. UFC has 12-16 shows a year and they still have a hard time showcasing all of their fighters. With the number of boxers in the world it would be impossible to get all of the fights we wanted

Who says the UFC always has great undercards? That's BS. I've watched main events that stunk. and a competitive fight in Boxing is uncomparable to a competitive MMA fight. MMA is so broad that a competitive fight could end up with both fighters barely scratched. On the other hand, a great boxing fight more often than not leaves both boxers bloodied, bruised and a candidate for brain damage. A single fight can decide the future of a boxer, the accumulation of punches just gradually takes it's toll sooner or later. So to sum it up, asking a competitive fight everytime for a boxer is just asking too much. They deserve breaks. You guys ever heard of tune-up fights?

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Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy

Who says the UFC always has great undercards? That's BS. I've watched main events that stunk. and a competitive fight in Boxing is uncomparable to a competitive MMA fight. MMA is so broad that a competitive fight could end up with both fighters barely scratched. On the other hand, a great boxing fight more often than not leaves both boxers bloodied, bruised and a candidate for brain damage. A single fight can decide the future of a boxer, the accumulation of punches just gradually takes it's toll sooner or later. So to sum it up, asking a competitive fight everytime for a boxer is just asking too much. They deserve breaks. You guys ever heard of tune-up fights?

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You are right in saying that not every UFC card is great but with 10 fights and 5 guaranteed televised bout you are getting more for your money (if you like mma that is) and have a better chance of seeing 1 or more good fights. Most boxing PPVs usually are one or two fights at best.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

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Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy

Who says the UFC always has great undercards? That's BS. I've watched main events that stunk. and a competitive fight in Boxing is uncomparable to a competitive MMA fight. MMA is so broad that a competitive fight could end up with both fighters barely scratched. On the other hand, a great boxing fight more often than not leaves both boxers bloodied, bruised and a candidate for brain damage. A single fight can decide the future of a boxer, the accumulation of punches just gradually takes it's toll sooner or later. So to sum it up, asking a competitive fight everytime for a boxer is just asking too much. They deserve breaks. You guys ever heard of tune-up fights?

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You are right in saying that not every UFC card is great but with 10 fights and 5 guaranteed televised bout you are getting more for your money (if you like mma that is) and have a better chance of seeing 1 or more good fights. Most boxing PPVs usually are one or two fights at best.

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Yeah but the fights are only three rounds long.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

First, I am a fan of MMA and Boxing, but Boxing should NEVER be run like the UFC (nor could it ever be).
UFC is just one MMA promotion of many, and they don't allow their fighters to fight with fighters signed to other promotions.
There's a lot of them, some top names listed later.

The UFC boss has to be given credit for taking MMA mainstream, but unfortunately he's used the same business model as Vince McMahon's WWE pro-wrestling business model complete with long-term contracts and non-compete clauses. Basically the fighters are employees of the UFC, and their contracts are ridiculous concerning the inordinate amount of control the UFC has over them.
Could a boxer ever be fired off the program or after leaving the promotion, not be allowed to compete elsewhere for many months because of a non-compete clause. It's unethical and not a legitimate business model for a real sport.

The fighters give up so much, and the UFC pays them peanuts for it.
After fees, taxes, and expenses, Anderson Silva probably takes home only 70 thousand per fight, maybe 80 thousand.
I guarartee the UFC's making a lot more than that off him.
The UFC keeps the lion's share and they divide up the short-end amongst all the fighters.

It's not a legitimate model for any real sport.

When the UFC began, it was viewed somewhat as a carnival circus sideshow attraction. It strived for credibilty as a real sport and seemed to be succeeding, but they recently returned it to its carnival-like beginnings.

Allowing a man with only 3 fights and 18 months experience to compete for the UFC Heavyweight Title was a joke. 2 wins, 1 loss...earned him a shot at the Title.
Who did he beat to earn the shot? Journeyman Heath Herring?
There were experienced Heavyweights with years of experience right there.

The UFC Heavyweight Champ Randy Couture attempted to walk away from the UFC because he disagreed with how it is run. Many top fighters would not sign with them for the same reasons so there's a ton of great matchups that won't happen.

Top talents like:
Josh Barnett
Nick Diaz
Aoki
Joaquin Hansen
Gegard Mousasi
Frank Shamrock
Antonio Silva
Jacare
Cung Le
Arlovski
Jake Shields
Krazy Horse Bennett
Benji Radach
Aleksander Emelianenko
Matt Lindland
Tim Sylvia
Vitor Belfort
Carano
Joey Villasenor
Gilbert Melendez
Renato Sobral
KJ Noons
Sokoudjou
Robbie Lawler
Overeem
Takanori Gomi

^ Quite a list of top talnets who don't fight for the UFC. Some wouldn't sign, some had major problems during their time with the UFC.

The Greatest MMA fighter there's ever been, Fedor, would not sign with them because of these 1-sided slave contracts.

That's a scathing indictment of the UFC.

Boxing is corrupt and dirty, but it could never be run like the UFC anyway, but it should also never even be considered because of how the UFC railroads the fighters and puts the Jesse James to them.

Here at Saddoboxing, everybody already knows the multitudes of problems within boxing, but I think MMA is just as phucked as Boxing.

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The poor bastard. I really feel for him.