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marrquerz camne in p4p 1. he sttaying thaat way no mattter whhay
JMM's the total package. Can't argue with that.
I cant argue that,Simply put he is a better fighter with better depth although Pacquiao has a win...oh... and a draw :cwm13:.I think Pac is duty bound to actually return to light as opposed to Marquez chasing him at 1400 but we know that wont happen.
Put simply, JMM is the best fighter on the planet right now.
Diaz came out with everything tonight, anf Marquez withstood and then knocked him out brutally. In his last two fights, he has stopped two guys who had never been KO'd before, he didn't fight the 'patsy' of the beltholders David Diaz like Pacman did.
Don't read too much into the DLH fight, Pac fought a shell that night.
Plus IMO, and the opinion of many others, he holds two wins over the supposes P4P king.
At the very least he is the equal of Pac in the p4p stakes.
JMM is a badass.
i can consider JMM #1 p4p.
Absolutely #1 Hes the greatest fighter around his weight and arguably the best in the world.
I have felt this about JMM for years, and it seemed like after every one of his fights, the press and commentators would say the same, at least for a while. The man is so humble and so unassuming outside the ring, however, he just doesn't seem to get the recognition he deserves. I'm hoping that after this fight, as I do after every one of his fights, that people will continue to praise him even after the high wears off.
Juan Diaz's face plant will be hard to erase from memory though, so it may take some time for this high to wear off ;)
JMM PFP #1 Fought the better fights with better opposition than Pacquiao.
Better watch out Pacman Marquez is coming at you fast.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
This fight just reinforced his no.1 position.
We desperately need a third fight to settle this debate!
JMM is pound for pound number 1 for people who HATES Pacquiao!
Why? It is so because these are the same bunch of people who will not recognize whichever, and whatever Pacquiao's accomplishments are, regardless. They will stroke whichever it is that undermines what is Pacquiao, what relevance is he to boxing.
Fortunately it is a small minority, and Pacquiao still get his due recognition. Logic as we all know it, is still intact, and in place in the world of boxing!
Somebody has to do it! Someone needs to give a bit of a perspective in case short term memory gets an alarming foothold of a dominant topic. Unfortunately, and with resignation, I deem it my place. So it goes.
Peace to you all!
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Originally Posted by KananKrus
KO's two world class guys at a weight way above his natural at age 35, it's mind boggling. Joint no.1 with Pac IMO minimum, I had him beating Pac last time out as well, though very close. Beating Hatton would trump last night just due to Hatton's size and strength.
Has everything, technical ability, speed, power, determination, warriors heart....
Oh get over it, so some people don't think Pacquiao's #1 get over it, he beats Hatton no one can dispute can they? But till then accept people have their own opinions & stop writing like you're giving a speech akin Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream'.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
The fact is Pac has never fought a top flight 25 year old hungry fighter is his prime....
JMM last 2 fights absolutely blow Pac's 2 out of the water, not even close
JMM will be vindicated no questions asked when Hatton beats Pac
If Hatton beats Pacman and Marquez would you consider him p4p 1 ?
Without a doubt, how could he not be beating the top 2 in the world, im pretty certain he wont beat both of them if any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Pacquiao DOMINATED his last 2 opponents with KO.
Marquez KOed his last 2 opponents too, but he did NOT dominate them.
Pacquiao beat Marquez already.
Great win for JMM last night. Another Pacquiao motivation against Hatton. ;D
Conrad he's just ANOTHER pac fan pretending not to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Their's several of them so look out for them. You can spot them if you look closely at their posts and read between the lines.
That I know of theirs 3 of these kind who post as if they like JMM but in reality dont.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
So you see,...
Hatton is shit out of luck. He won't be the #1 p4p win or lose against Pac.
Oh, what a silly comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
Hearns blasted Duran
Hagler went the distance with Duran
Because of that, Hagler sparked Hearns out.
Did it matter that Hearns sparked Duran out when it came time to fight Hagler?
I'm all ears...
Yes, Teja greay analogy. You dominate an opponent and it means your better then someone else. Take off your Pac goggles you'll see things clearer.
It's about styles have you not learned anything.
Williams beats Margarito, Margarito beats Cotto, Cotto beats SSM, SSM beats Margarito.
You also have CQ beats Williams & Cotto beats CQ in there.
You're right, style makes fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickOh, what a silly comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
Hearns blasted Duran
Hagler went the distance with Duran
Because of that, Hagler sparked Hearns out.
Did it matter that Hearns sparked Duran out when it came time to fight Hagler?
I'm all ears...
Yes, Teja greay analogy. You dominate an opponent and it means your better then someone else. Take off your Pac goggles you'll see things clearer.
It's about styles have you not learned anything.
Williams beats Margarito, Margarito beats Cotto, Cotto beats SSM, SSM beats Margarito.
You also have CQ beats Williams & Cotto beats CQ in there.
But you forgot to qoute my 3rd sentence there...
The "Pacquiao already beat Marquez"
16 out of 20 writers had JMM wining the 1st fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
23 out of 25 writers had JMM wining the 2nd fight.
These include Filipino writers.
I'm not even including fighters who also felt JMM beat Pac.
Great stuff Mick.Im having a hard enough time getting past the Avatar....sort of sums it up completely :cwm13:Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickOh, what a silly comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
Hearns blasted Duran
Hagler went the distance with Duran
Because of that, Hagler sparked Hearns out.
Did it matter that Hearns sparked Duran out when it came time to fight Hagler?
I'm all ears...
Yes, Teja greay analogy. You dominate an opponent and it means your better then someone else. Take off your Pac goggles you'll see things clearer.
It's about styles have you not learned anything.
Williams beats Margarito, Margarito beats Cotto, Cotto beats SSM, SSM beats Margarito.
You also have CQ beats Williams & Cotto beats CQ in there.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
...Pacquiao and Marquez are MADE for each other. Even when they're not fighting, they're still in competition. A third fight NEEDS to happen.
But on the thread topic, there's never been a co-P4P #1 and in this place and time, I wouldn't disagree that either man could be #1.
Ummm...Yea...they need to fight again!
Pacs departure from Light is clearly a financial move,he needs to get back and take care of an open ended chapter in a talent filled division.Marquez is shining with outstanding KO's over 'the man who beat the man' in Casa and a young,viable & dangerous Diaz.And no...thats not David Diaz.On skill depth,versatility,level of opposition and performance in with such,Defiantly Id say,right now Marquez numero uno p4p #1.
Even if PAC completely destroys Hatton on May 2nd people will question PAC's reign as P4P number 1. So I really pray hard that PAC-JMM3 happens
No sir a win vs. Hatton IMO grants Pac the #1 spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
He'd be beating THEE champ at 140 thus making him THEE man at 140.
Simple as that, anyone who think otherwise is clearly being biased towards JMM.
Marquez is pound for pound number 1 for people that know Boxing. Which pretty much excludes Pac fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Let the two fight again. Before that happens, Pac is definitely PFP#1 with Marquez closing the gap with his win against Diaz.
I agree, beating Hatton certainly trumps beating Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickNo sir a win vs. Hatton IMO grants Pac the #1 spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
He'd be beating THEE champ at 140 thus making him THEE man at 140.
Simple as that, anyone who think otherwise is clearly being biased towards JMM.
JMM's last two fights at lightweight have been a real eye opener, at first i thought he was a decent fighter who just happened to be a bogey man for Pac stylistically, but he is so much more. KO'ing two natural lightweights after campagining divisions lower throughout his career, he only went to superfeather to chase Pac back into the ring.
Beating Hatton doesn't necessarily mean Pac goes above Marquez.
The reason I rate Marquez above Pac is because I think he beat him twice (especially 2nd time - like most people that rate Marquez better). Since the second victory Marquez has continued to rack up impressive wins (arguably better than Pacs).
So Pac beating Ricky enhances his standing but doesn't devalue Marquez. Unless Marquez loses anytime soon, loses to Pac or starts struggling against nobodies he will still have the victory over Pac, so has to remain ranked P4P no.1 ;)
There's a case for JMM but there's also some anti-Pac backlash cause of his fans. That is totally reasonable for those that can read.
I still have Pac number 1 though, I thought he edged JMM twice and I'm not going to get into the nobility of JMM staying at 135 and doing it the right way, it helps his case but lets not completely lose it, if he could have gotten a fight with Oscar after his first fight at 135 he would have taken it instantly. Fenster.
Yes? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Anyone that thinks Pac beat Marquez should rightly rate Pac above him. Anyone that thinks Marquez beat Pac cannot possibly rate Pac above him at this current time.
I love P4P because it's so stupid.
Dellusional thread.
It's a real world out there folks. Ring Mag, ESPN, HBO or any credible source still picked Pac as #1 P4P.
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Wonder why HBO would be motivated to do that for their biggest meal ticket ??? Odd really.Your knee bending for Pac is tiresomeQuote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
What happen to your Margocheato sig? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsWonder why HBO would be motivated to do that for their biggest meal ticket ??? Odd really.Your knee bending for Pac is tiresomeQuote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja