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How can we get rid of John McCain
The middle CLASS American boxer is almost extinct in most states now
But John McCain and the ABC are coming on strong in 2009 ! Its sad
this sport used to be an American pass time now it's dirty politics
or a European sport ! Why is it so hard for this government to not
find something else today than destroy our sport has the middle class
American all ready suffered enough !Boxing is not a privileged but a
right !
http://www.fightnews.com/?p=5498
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009
A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes.
current 111st session of congress Other Bill Titles (3 more)Hide Other Bill Titles
- Official: A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes. as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Safety Act as introduced.
1/6/2009--Introduced.
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 - Amends the Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996 to:
(1) authorize a tribal organization to establish a boxing commission;
(2) prohibit arranging, promoting, or fighting in a match unless the match is approved by the United States Boxing Commission (USBC) and held in a state or on tribal land that regulates matches in accordance with USBC standards;
(3) require specified pre-fight boxer physical examinations and to require the continuous presence during any match of an ambulance and emergency medical personnel;
(4) provide for boxing registration with the appropriate boxing commission of an Indian tribe;
(5) require a health and safety disclosure to a boxer when issuing an identification card and to establish procedures for review of a summary suspension;
(6) require the USBC to develop guidelines for boxing contracting requirements and for rating professional boxers;
(7) require the sanctioning organization for a match and its promoter to provide specified disclosures;
(8 prohibit a promoter from arranging a championship match or a match scheduled unless all participating judges and referees are by the USBC;
(9) require the USBC to establish and maintain a registry of comprehensive medical records and medical denials or suspensions for every licensed boxer; and
(10) apply conflict-of-interest provisions to USBC officers and employees. Establishes the USBC within the Department of Commerce to:
(1) protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing;
(2) establish standards for, and issue, suspend, and revoke, boxing licenses; and
(3) establish a national computerized registry of boxing personnel.
STOP JOHN MCCAIN !
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
Ya heaven forbid he protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing; :rolleyes:
That'd pretty much fuk up your whole deal, huh.
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IF there is one unified boxing commission in the US, it wont belong until
fighter's have to wear headgear, fights can not exceed 4 rounds, and other stupid regulations that the Federal government will install because "they know better then you."
The good thing about the way boxing is now in the US is that if Nevada makes a ridiculous rule like Welterweights have to wear 12oz gloves, the promoters can choose a different state without the ridiculous rule.
The federal government screws up everything it touches, and there is no need to allow them to take control of boxing.
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McCain always tries this back door tax shit, out here he was trying to tax the Indian Casinos.
I understand that the health of the fighters is involved here, and that is a noble thing, but it is also political posturing. If I honestly thought McCain was doing this for the benefit of the fighters I would support it, but this would no doubt be more paperwork, more cost and ultimately running through the motions.
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When I started fighting in boxing in 94 !There was like 50 shows in
the state of Missouri a year . Now there is like 5 or 6 ! It is sad that
people cant die for this country in another land !But cant participate
in this sport in there own country, Freedom is something we are losing
a little bit everyday !
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
. If I honestly thought McCain was doing this for the benefit of the fighters I would support it, but this would no doubt be more paperwork, more cost and ultimately running through the motions.
I think the fighters should have a choice if we want this ! And the answer is no!!!!Hell most fighters will lose their right the fight under this act ! Its a
Sad day when this happens !
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
Ya heaven forbid he protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing; :rolleyes:
That'd pretty much fuk up your whole deal, huh.
Thats all you can think about this is something negative about me!
Just like watching a movie to you isn't it ! Oh man !!!:furious: You
could care less !
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
I don't get how it is postering, killersheep. It isn't like boxing is mainstream enough that it has an effect one way or another with the general population. I think he has a ligimate concern for the state of the sport, and is trying to get something done about it. We all agree it is fairly corrupt at present, that it has flaws, many of them that need fixing...so where do we begin? I mean, someone had to get the ball rolling.
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Originally Posted by
SOB
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
Ya heaven forbid he protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing; :rolleyes:
That'd pretty much fuk up your whole deal, huh.
Thats all you can think about this is something negative about me!
Just like watching a movie to you isn't it ! Oh man !!!:furious: You
could care less !
I just don't like your hyperbole, and don't agree with you philosophy. Is that ok? C'mon now, if you are all about the constitution like you say, walk the walk my man and quiet yer crying when it gets criticised.
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SOB: What specific provisions do you have a problem with?
I haven't examined this proposal thoroughly yet, but from what I understand, McCain is a big-time boxing fan and at least in the past, he has wanted to do good by boxing. Mind you, politically, I generally don't agree with him.
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I don't like his immigration plan, but overall he's a cool guy.
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Originally Posted by
SOB
When I started fighting in boxing in 94 !There was like 50 shows in
the state of Missouri a year . Now there is like 5 or 6 ! It is sad that
people cant die for this country in another land !But cant participate
in this sport in there own country, Freedom is something we are losing
a little bit everyday !
You are complaining about the waning popularity of the sport and that is about it. It is not like a sh|tload of regulation has got passed down the pipe since 94 regarding this sport. Only now they seem to be trying to integrate the sport as a single entity. It should actually help the sport in the long run, by providing better support for Boxers while knocking off the sleazy pimping 2 bit promoters. You should welcome this.
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Here Youngblood, I'm going to go point by point, all just my opinion of course.
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009
A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes.
current 111st session of congress Other Bill Titles (3 more)Hide Other Bill Titles
- Official: A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes. as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Safety Act as introduced.
1/6/2009--Introduced.
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 - Amends the Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996 to:
(1) authorize a tribal organization to establish a boxing commission;
Reservations are sovereign nations the US should not be able to
assign laws on the reservations.
(2) prohibit arranging, promoting, or fighting in a match unless the match is approved by the United States Boxing Commission (USBC) and held in a state or on tribal land that regulates matches in accordance with USBC standards;
I need to see what the USBC standards are to make judgement
(3) require specified pre-fight boxer physical examinations and to require the continuous presence during any match of an ambulance and emergency medical personnel;
This I agree with
(4) provide for boxing registration with the appropriate boxing commission of an Indian tribe;
Again the US should have no authority on the reservations.
(5) require a health and safety disclosure to a boxer when issuing an identification card and to establish procedures for review of a summary suspension;
I'm not clear on what this means, I can make a few different assumptions on what it means. Does this apply only to fighters fighting in the US?
(6) require the USBC to develop guidelines for boxing contracting requirements and for rating professional boxers;
Another sanctioning body?
(7) require the sanctioning organization for a match and its promoter to provide specified disclosures;
Why does the government need to be involved with private contracts?
(8 prohibit a promoter from arranging a championship match or a match scheduled unless all participating judges and referees are __ by the USBC;
Missing a word here employed? authorized? contracted?
(9) require the USBC to establish and maintain a registry of comprehensive medical records and medical denials or suspensions for every licensed boxer; and
Again cut off, but what I read I agree with
(10) apply conflict-of-interest provisions to USBC officers and employees. Establishes the USBC within the Department of Commerce to:
(1) protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing;
Sounds good
(2) establish standards for, and issue, suspend, and revoke, boxing licenses; and
This I am not fond of the commissions already do this on the state athletic board level, no need for redundancy ("pork")
(3) establish a national computerized registry of boxing personnel.
Another government list.
I like the parts that protect boxers, I don't like the government having the final say as a sanctioning body, this is particularly silly because boxing is an international sport. And living in McCain's state for so many years, I have history to go on to not trust him. I do think that some standards should be implemented requiring medical personel and pre-fight medical exams I can get behind.
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I appreciate your breakdown of it killersheep, for I don`t truly know it`s extent and am not saying McCain has it all correct, I just think he is doing it for the right reasons.
Just look at other professional sports in the US and Canada, Football. Baseball. Hockey, etc, etc. They seem to be getting on just fine with a standardized set of rules and seem to have a lot more legitimacy overall. So why not boxing? Why not one governing body that oversees it?
I can understand politic things such as indian affairs and what have you, people will always have political motivations and beliefs, but overall I don`t really care about that because my interests are far from political. I`d like to be able to watch a fight without the fear it is going to be a total rigged, ripped off decision because of behind the scenes whatever. I`d like to feel there is some sort of legitimacy in it in knowing it can`t be manipulated by agendas from so many varying levels. I`d like to have some assurance that whether I am watchin or participating in it, it is a fair and level playing field. A safe as possible place also.
For someone like myself right now, with half a brain who may or may not have a future in the sport, I gotta tell you, it is fairly discouraging seeing it in it current state.
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Here Youngblood, I'm going to go point by point, all just my opinion of course.
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009
A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes.
current 111st session of congress Other Bill Titles (3 more)Hide Other Bill Titles
- Official: A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes. as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Safety Act as introduced.
1/6/2009--Introduced.
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 - Amends the Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996 to:
(1) authorize a tribal organization to establish a boxing commission;
Reservations are sovereign nations the US should not be able to
assign laws on the reservations.
(2) prohibit arranging, promoting, or fighting in a match unless the match is approved by the United States Boxing Commission (USBC) and held in a state or on tribal land that regulates matches in accordance with USBC standards;
I need to see what the USBC standards are to make judgement
(3) require specified pre-fight boxer physical examinations and to require the continuous presence during any match of an ambulance and emergency medical personnel;
This I agree with
(4) provide for boxing registration with the appropriate boxing commission of an Indian tribe;
Again the US should have no authority on the reservations.
(5) require a health and safety disclosure to a boxer when issuing an identification card and to establish procedures for review of a summary suspension;
I'm not clear on what this means, I can make a few different assumptions on what it means. Does this apply only to fighters fighting in the US?
(6) require the USBC to develop guidelines for boxing contracting requirements and for rating professional boxers;
Another sanctioning body?
(7) require the sanctioning organization for a match and its promoter to provide specified disclosures;
Why does the government need to be involved with private contracts?
(8 prohibit a promoter from arranging a championship match or a match scheduled unless all participating judges and referees are __ by the USBC;
Missing a word here employed? authorized? contracted?
(9) require the USBC to establish and maintain a registry of comprehensive medical records and medical denials or suspensions for every licensed boxer; and
Again cut off, but what I read I agree with
(10) apply conflict-of-interest provisions to USBC officers and employees. Establishes the USBC within the Department of Commerce to:
(1) protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing;
Sounds good
(2) establish standards for, and issue, suspend, and revoke, boxing licenses; and
This I am not fond of the commissions already do this on the state athletic board level, no need for redundancy ("pork")
(3) establish a national computerized registry of boxing personnel.
Another government list.
I like the parts that protect boxers, I don't like the government having the final say as a sanctioning body, this is particularly silly because boxing is an international sport. And living in McCain's state for so many years, I have history to go on to not trust him. I do think that some standards should be implemented requiring medical personel and pre-fight medical exams I can get behind.
Its kind of hard to pay $2000 worth of medicals , when you are making $200 or $300 ! Pre-Physical and EMS sure the rest is BS !
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Originally Posted by
Youngblood
I appreciate your breakdown of it killersheep, for I don`t truly know it`s extent and am not saying McCain has it all correct, I just think he is doing it for the right reasons.
Just look at other professional sports in the US and Canada, Football. Baseball. Hockey, etc, etc. They seem to be getting on just fine with a standardized set of rules and seem to have a lot more legitimacy overall. So why not boxing? Why not one governing body that oversees it?
I can understand politic things such as indian affairs and what have you, people will always have political motivations and beliefs, but overall I don`t really care about that because my interests are far from political. I`d like to be able to watch a fight without the fear it is going to be a total rigged, ripped off decision because of behind the scenes whatever. I`d like to feel there is some sort of legitimacy in it in knowing it can`t be manipulated by agendas from so many varying levels. I`d like to have some assurance that whether I am watchin or participating in it, it is a fair and level playing field. A safe as possible place also.
For someone like myself right now, with half a brain who may or may not have a future in the sport, I gotta tell you, it is fairly discouraging seeing it in it current state.
The NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA etc. etc. are not government entities. I too would like to see someone step up and implement the parts of this bill that protect the fighters, but not the government. If ever there was an opportunity for an alphabet sanctioning body to become more legit than the rest this is it.
You may be right that McCain has the right intentions, admittedly after the years of shit I heard him swap views on depending on polls and trying to take away rights and income from Native Tribes, I do assume the worst and don't give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally Posted by
SOB
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Here Youngblood, I'm going to go point by point, all just my opinion of course.
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009
A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes.
current 111st session of congress Other Bill Titles (3 more)Hide Other Bill Titles
- Official: A bill to establish a United States Boxing Commission to administer the Act, and for other purposes. as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: Professional Boxing Safety Act as introduced.
1/6/2009--Introduced.
Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 - Amends the Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996 to:
(1) authorize a tribal organization to establish a boxing commission;
Reservations are sovereign nations the US should not be able to
assign laws on the reservations.
(2) prohibit arranging, promoting, or fighting in a match unless the match is approved by the United States Boxing Commission (USBC) and held in a state or on tribal land that regulates matches in accordance with USBC standards;
I need to see what the USBC standards are to make judgement
(3) require specified pre-fight boxer physical examinations and to require the continuous presence during any match of an ambulance and emergency medical personnel;
This I agree with
(4) provide for boxing registration with the appropriate boxing commission of an Indian tribe;
Again the US should have no authority on the reservations.
(5) require a health and safety disclosure to a boxer when issuing an identification card and to establish procedures for review of a summary suspension;
I'm not clear on what this means, I can make a few different assumptions on what it means. Does this apply only to fighters fighting in the US?
(6) require the USBC to develop guidelines for boxing contracting requirements and for rating professional boxers;
Another sanctioning body?
(7) require the sanctioning organization for a match and its promoter to provide specified disclosures;
Why does the government need to be involved with private contracts?
(8 prohibit a promoter from arranging a championship match or a match scheduled unless all participating judges and referees are __ by the USBC;
Missing a word here employed? authorized? contracted?
(9) require the USBC to establish and maintain a registry of comprehensive medical records and medical denials or suspensions for every licensed boxer; and
Again cut off, but what I read I agree with
(10) apply conflict-of-interest provisions to USBC officers and employees. Establishes the USBC within the Department of Commerce to:
(1) protect the health, safety, and general interests of boxers and to ensure integrity in professional boxing;
Sounds good
(2) establish standards for, and issue, suspend, and revoke, boxing licenses; and
This I am not fond of the commissions already do this on the state athletic board level, no need for redundancy ("pork")
(3) establish a national computerized registry of boxing personnel.
Another government list.
I like the parts that protect boxers, I don't like the government having the final say as a sanctioning body, this is particularly silly because boxing is an international sport. And living in McCain's state for so many years, I have history to go on to not trust him. I do think that some standards should be implemented requiring medical personel and pre-fight medical exams I can get behind.
Its kind of hard to pay $2000 worth of medicals , when you are making $200 or $300 ! Pre-Physical and EMS sure the rest is BS !
Can you break down the $2,000 worth of medicals please? I honestly don't know what is covered in that.
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CFH
:lol::lol:
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Killer, I didn't mean the US government per se, but be one body, hence one governing body. I can agree that I don't necessarily like the government running it and would much prefer it be given to some type of organization that can step up and create a universal set of rules to follow that might help fight the corruption and fix and watch dog the many problems it has.
As I mentioned, it isn't in any way about politics for me, and I tend to think the government can't help itself for politicing. I do think it could easily help form a qualified governing board though if guided properly.
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Undoubtedly Boxing as a whole is in dire need of reform.Seems like this bill has been in the pipeline for many years now.I dont specifically see eye to eye with McCain politically but he is a big boxing fan.I believe he had bi-partisan support and some big co sponsors for this,can not recall the Representatives.
A unified Commission...absolutley danm straight.I am rarely if ever enthused when the Federal Government wants to insert itself and micro manage everyday Americans.The less is best I believe BUT its undeniable that this sport can not regulate and clean up its own house.The ones constantly on the short end are the fighters that risk their lives every time that bells rings.Who is it that stands for the fighter in the end??His trainer?The State Commissions ?(Haa),the promoters looking to fill seats and...well promote a show?The fans?Try as we might,we can not feed the family or insure a fair shake for them.
I'm not clear on the details of this one,ALOT has to be hashed out and read over.I believe through much haggling and admendment...compromise...it could be a step in the right direction.With a very watchful eye mind you.In all honestly though,with the current state of affairs nationally and worldwide...Its at the very bottom on the list of priority's I believe.
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I dont mind the idea of there being a national commision with all the same requirements for every state, but I do have a problem with the federal government overseeing it in any way. There is enough politics in boxing and if there was a govt. run commision then some of the higher-ups will have too much power. I think there should still be commisioners for every state they should just all follow the same guidelines. I dont think that the rules in the ring should changed such as bigger gloves. There is nothing wrong with the competition part of boxing and the rules in the ring. Absolutely nothing. Bad matchmaking and states with no active commision at all is where the safety issues come from. Its rarely the fighters personal health that gets him hurt, its usually because hes overmatched. Also the medical requirements are fine in certain states like Florida or California for example and no more restrictions or requirements should be added. Some states are more notorious for blatant mismatches and poor health screening than others and that is a problem with boxing.
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McCain is targeting reservations because of the shady dealings going on in the casinos on those reservation lands. The Campbell/Casa fight of 2003 at Pechanga Resort & Casino is a prime example of this corruption and one that McCain got personally involved in. The whole "soveriegn nation' shit is exactly what they are hiding behind - all McCain wants is some accountability for what goes on on these reservations because the current commissions aren't doing shit or are themselves involved in these dealings. Just like they have to get a federal license to run a casino, they'll have to establish a commission and agree to abide by the law if they want hold championship boxing within those casinos. I don't see a damn thing wrong with this - this environment surrounding this sport needs some accountability, and the current sanctioning bodies have failed miserably in that sense. Hell, if it had been solely up to the current commission, Shane Mosley would have been pummeled with plaster-capped fists rather than beating down Margarito for the title a few weeks ago.
If McCain can get rid of the dumb-ass open-scoring (I know that's not in there, but I know he doesn't like it himself so maybe he'll slip an 'earmark' in ;)), make professional boxing licenses bondable across all 50 states (so if you're banned in NY you can't skip over to Vegas to fight), and have a body outside the sport itself monitoring the promotors/casino owners/commissioners and the legal contracts they make with one another, how could that be bad for the sport?
-- And he needs to add a bit in there about the qualifications of judges. Ah - and Kellerman. Damn, I think I actually have a list around here somewhere....
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Originally Posted by
Pravus
McCain is targeting reservations because of the shady dealings going on in the casinos on those reservation lands. The Campbell/Casa fight of 2003 at Pechanga Resort & Casino is a prime example of this corruption and one that McCain got personally involved in. The whole "soveriegn nation' shit is exactly what they are hiding behind - all McCain wants is some accountability for what goes on on these reservations because the current commissions aren't doing shit or are themselves involved in these dealings. Just like they have to get a federal license to run a casino, they'll have to establish a commission and agree to abide by the law if they want hold championship boxing within those casinos. I don't see a damn thing wrong with this - this environment surrounding this sport needs some accountability, and the current sanctioning bodies have failed miserably in that sense. Hell, if it had been solely up to the current commission, Shane Mosley would have been pummeled with plaster-capped fists rather than beating down Margarito for the title a few weeks ago.
If McCain can get rid of the dumb-ass open-scoring (I know that's not in there, but I know he doesn't like it himself so maybe he'll slip an 'earmark' in ;)), make professional boxing licenses bondable across all 50 states (so if you're banned in NY you can't skip over to Vegas to fight), and have a body outside the sport itself monitoring the promotors/casino owners/commissioners and the legal contracts they make with one another, how could that be bad for the sport?
-- And he needs to add a bit in there about the qualifications of judges. Ah - and Kellerman. Damn, I think I actually have a list around here somewhere....
What do you mean "sovereign nation shit"? They are a sovereign nation, why does McCain have any say governing foreign nations?
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Well... If you read the title of the bill, it actually gives you a hint that there is already a law in place. The purpose of this bill "Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009" is to amend existing law.
The original law is known as "The Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996" established minimum health and safety standards for professional boxing and provided for limited federal oversight by the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission. The 1996 bill was amended known as "the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act" which passed in 2000.
The 2009 bill is reintroduced from a amendment bills that died. It could take many years before it is voted on. Law is very difficult to follow and has to be read many times before it is understood. Usually, most just to resort to reading a summary to comprehend what the bill is about.
I don't see anything in the list that would piss off too many people in the industry and the ones it might excite are those where it limits the exploitation of the fighter. As far as Indian Tribal sh*t goes... it actually appears to give them the ability to make a commission rather than putting them under one.
I did not see a USBC in effect, H.R. 1065 [109th]: United States Boxing Commission Act (GovTrack.us) it failed. So I'm assuming there is none yet. S. 38: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us) You have t read through all this crap to find out the particulars.
If you are really that disturbed by it U.S. GAO - Professional Boxing: Issues Related to the Protection of Boxers' Health, Safety, and Economic Interests download the pdf report and take a look.
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Expanded government means more taxes and higher deficits and less freedom. For every 1% the government increases its powers, the people lose 10% of their freedom. We don't need the government to enslave us.
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fan johnny
Well... If you read the title of the bill, it actually gives you a hint that there is already a law in place. The purpose of this bill "Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009" is to amend existing law.
The original law is known as "The Professional Boxing Safety Act of 1996" established minimum health and safety standards for professional boxing and provided for limited federal oversight by the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission. The 1996 bill was amended known as "the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act" which passed in 2000.
The 2009 bill is reintroduced from a amendment bills that died. It could take many years before it is voted on. Law is very difficult to follow and has to be read many times before it is understood. Usually, most just to resort to reading a summary to comprehend what the bill is about.
I don't see anything in the list that would piss off too many people in the industry and the ones it might excite are those where it limits the exploitation of the fighter. As far as Indian Tribal sh*t goes... it actually appears to give them the ability to make a commission rather than putting them under one.
I did not see a USBC in effect,
H.R. 1065 [109th]: United States Boxing Commission Act (GovTrack.us) it failed. So I'm assuming there is none yet.
S. 38: Professional Boxing Amendments Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us) You have t read through all this crap to find out the particulars.
If you are really that disturbed by it
U.S. GAO - Professional Boxing: Issues Related to the Protection of Boxers' Health, Safety, and Economic Interests download the pdf report and take a look.
Yeah having read through it I gotta agree with johnny, that looks to me like a bill that can only help boxing. Just means the scum that try their best to exploit fighters (King, Arum & all their lower level wannabes) won't find it so easy no more
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I want a government oversight, half of the BS I have to deal with in this buiz would be wiped out in a nanosecond if there was one.
And more importantly,by far,the fighters welfare would be protected way better then it is now.
If a ref or a judge is completely incompetent,or even worse bought and paid for,,what can you do now?
Like it,or lump it.
Oh sure you can file a public complaint, but I wouldn't bet your way that anything comes of it. Except that your name is mud in the buiz for "causing trouble".
I have no problem whatsoever with oversight over my affairs.
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Right now the states run boxing. They make and enforce the rules. Every state gets to decide would rules they prefer.
IF the federal govt took over, there would be only one rule maker. And everyone from the US knows how hysterical congress can get when the timing is right(ie Janet Jackson's Boob), so you can gurentee that the first time a high profile fighter dies, you are going to have puritan like regulations that remove all the violence from boxing and will leave us with Olympic type boxing.
Do you want Nancy Palossi having a say on our sport?
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this could be negative, but maybe there will be a chance to have a main boxing commission, leaving us with one true champion in each weight class?
i could be way off, but just a thought.
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I haven't mentioned anybody's grammar in posts in years probably but I couldn't help it, these made me laugh
"It is sad that
people cant die for this country in another land !"
"Hell most fighters will lose their right the fight under this act !"
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RP33
this could be negative, but maybe there will be a chance to have a main boxing commission, leaving us with one true champion in each weight class?
i could be way off, but just a thought.
This bill has nothing to do with crowing champions. The Sanctioning bodies are world organizations; no one country can ever get rid of them.
However, as fans we can choose to ignore them.
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Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
Right now the states run boxing. They make and enforce the rules. Every state gets to decide would rules they prefer.
IF the federal govt took over, there would be only one rule maker. And everyone from the US knows how hysterical congress can get when the timing is right(ie Janet Jackson's Boob), so you can gurentee that the first time a high profile fighter dies, you are going to have puritan like regulations that remove all the violence from boxing and will leave us with Olympic type boxing.
Do you want Nancy Palossi having a say on our sport?
Beats the hell out of what we have now,cause right now,I could go to the graveyard and dig someone up and get them sanctioned in some states.
Its dangerous,and its unfair to the fighters who really take this sport seriously.It allows for graft and corruption 7 ways from sunday,it rips offs the fans.
The states have had years to clean up their own houses,and alot of them havent bothered to do buh.
Required state contracts between fighter,and manager in alot of states read like indentured servitude as well.
I wont let my fighters fight in some states,because the state required manager contract reads like,I just bought the kid to work in a plantation in 1800. I dont matchmake in a couple of others because the promoters fee is just ridiculous high.
Make it a unified set of rules
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
Right now the states run boxing. They make and enforce the rules. Every state gets to decide would rules they prefer.
IF the federal govt took over, there would be only one rule maker. And everyone from the US knows how hysterical congress can get when the timing is right(ie Janet Jackson's Boob), so you can gurentee that the first time a high profile fighter dies, you are going to have puritan like regulations that remove all the violence from boxing and will leave us with Olympic type boxing.
Do you want Nancy Palossi having a say on our sport?
Beats the hell out of what we have now,cause right now,I could go to the graveyard and dig someone up and get them sanctioned in some states.
Its dangerous,and its unfair to the fighters who really take this sport seriously.It allows for graft and corruption 7 ways from sunday,it rips offs the fans.
The states have had years to clean up their own houses,and alot of them havent bothered to do buh.
Required state contracts between fighter,and manager in alot of states read like indentured servitude as well.
I wont let my fighters fight in some states,because the state required manager contract reads like,I just bought the kid to work in a plantation in 1800. I dont matchmake in a couple of others because the promoters fee is just ridiculous high.
Make it a unified set of rules
I agree for the most part. It needs finetuning and input from knowledgeable people in the sport, but the basic principles of safety of fighters and regulation of promoters are sound.
As Trainer stated, the system as we have it is filled with problems. From what I gathered, his point was if it is between the current system and a system regulated by the federal government, the latter is better.
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
Right now the states run boxing. They make and enforce the rules. Every state gets to decide would rules they prefer.
IF the federal govt took over, there would be only one rule maker. And everyone from the US knows how hysterical congress can get when the timing is right(ie Janet Jackson's Boob), so you can gurentee that the first time a high profile fighter dies, you are going to have puritan like regulations that remove all the violence from boxing and will leave us with Olympic type boxing.
Do you want Nancy Palossi having a say on our sport?
Beats the hell out of what we have now,cause right now,I could go to the graveyard and dig someone up and get them sanctioned in some states.
Its dangerous,and its unfair to the fighters who really take this sport seriously.It allows for graft and corruption 7 ways from sunday,it rips offs the fans.
The states have had years to clean up their own houses,and alot of them havent bothered to do buh.
Required state contracts between fighter,and manager in alot of states read like indentured servitude as well.
I wont let my fighters fight in some states,because the state required manager contract reads like,I just bought the kid to work in a plantation in 1800. I dont matchmake in a couple of others because the promoters fee is just ridiculous high.
Make it a unified set of rules
I agree for the most part. It needs finetuning and input from knowledgeable people in the sport, but the basic principles of safety of fighters and regulation of promoters are sound.
As Trainer stated, the system as we have it is filled with problems. From what I gathered, his point was if it is between the current system and a system regulated by the federal government, the latter is better.
Just about.
Let me put it this way,before I'll even let a fighter that I have ties to look at the fight contract,I have to go check that states requirements. And some of them havent changed since boxing got legalized.
Then I have to go look at the contract itself,and half the time there are all kinds of weird riders in there,that a dog wouldnt sign if he knew how to read it.
Then,the money is allways wrong.
All this stress on a kid,that is just about to be hit in the face and hit somebody back,because you spend at least a week calling the kid saying "Its on" and then calling back saying,"There's a problem"
And then theres the actual you get to the ring rules which vary from state to state.
By the time the kid gets to hit somebody he's probably Manic Depressive from all the ups and downs.
It would just be better for everybody but some of the slime that are still floating out there exploiting ,if the rules just got standardized
I wouldnt even have a problem with an audit on occasion,I know my books squeak theyre so clean.
I try to tell people,there's more then enough money to go around in this sport,but if you treat it like a get rich quick scheme,you'll be having a lengthy discussion with the feds anyway.
Might as well have a national overseeing board.
Id be happier
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?
I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?
I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better
It's official.
http://humor.beecy.net/misc/hellfroz...froze-over.jpg
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
I've always been for a boxing "league" I just wished someone had gotten it done without the government stepping in. Let's say it was something we all could live with now. The next time a fighter dies or gets horribly injured then the sabers would rattle for more regulation. The government is like an invited guest who not only won't leave, but starts telling you how to run your home.
I'm thinking the USBC is just a commission now, but it could easily be expanded to become a sanctioning body. If the right people were involved, which would never happen, it could be a good thing if fees were eliminated and a clear and legitimate ranking system were established. It could take the place of a lineal championship, but that won't happen. Boxing is as corrupt as it is because it can be and just wait until you see how this thing to boxers' benefit is corrupted.
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
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Originally Posted by
Killface
The next time a fighter dies or gets horribly injured then the sabers would rattle for more regulation. The government is like an invited guest who not only won't leave, but starts telling you how to run your home.
Exactly
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Re: How can we get rid of John McCain
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?
I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better
Having it universal that you cant have walk in the door contracts? You know a contract that the fighter signs while he's getting taped,and didnt have a chance to read?
Eliminating double dipping on a fighters money?
Making it universal that fighters have to, at the very least, have a HIV/Hep test?
Making sure the gate reciepts are equitable to the fighters purses by an occasional audit?
Whatever would I do?
I mean other then what I allready do?
Make it universal,and create some National oversight board,because the states wont do it on their own,theyve had more then enough chances and warnings. And there are way too many scumballs out there who will gleefully exploit the loophole in their regulations to make a buck.
Universal oversight,wont affect me one wit,I allready play the game that way,and anyone who got driven out of the sport because they couldnt abide by fair universal laws,buh bye.
