How can we get rid of John McCain

[OumaFan]

I haven't mentioned anybody's grammar in posts in years probably but I couldn't help it, these made me laugh

"It is sad that
people cant die for this country in another land !"

"Hell most fighters will lose their right the fight under this act !"

[Lance Uppercut]

this could be negative, but maybe there will be a chance to have a main boxing commission, leaving us with one true champion in each weight class?

i could be way off, but just a thought.

This bill has nothing to do with crowing champions. The Sanctioning bodies are world organizations; no one country can ever get rid of them.


However, as fans we can choose to ignore them.

[Trainer Monkey]

Right now the states run boxing. They make and enforce the rules. Every state gets to decide would rules they prefer.

IF the federal govt took over, there would be only one rule maker. And everyone from the US knows how hysterical congress can get when the timing is right(ie Janet Jackson's Boob), so you can gurentee that the first time a high profile fighter dies, you are going to have puritan like regulations that remove all the violence from boxing and will leave us with Olympic type boxing.


Do you want Nancy Palossi having a say on our sport?

Beats the hell out of what we have now,cause right now,I could go to the graveyard and dig someone up and get them sanctioned in some states.
Its dangerous,and its unfair to the fighters who really take this sport seriously.It allows for graft and corruption 7 ways from sunday,it rips offs the fans.
The states have had years to clean up their own houses,and alot of them havent bothered to do buh.
Required state contracts between fighter,and manager in alot of states read like indentured servitude as well.
I wont let my fighters fight in some states,because the state required manager contract reads like,I just bought the kid to work in a plantation in 1800. I dont matchmake in a couple of others because the promoters fee is just ridiculous high.
Make it a unified set of rules

[Rantcatrat]

Right now the states run boxing. They make and enforce the rules. Every state gets to decide would rules they prefer.

IF the federal govt took over, there would be only one rule maker. And everyone from the US knows how hysterical congress can get when the timing is right(ie Janet Jackson's Boob), so you can gurentee that the first time a high profile fighter dies, you are going to have puritan like regulations that remove all the violence from boxing and will leave us with Olympic type boxing.


Do you want Nancy Palossi having a say on our sport?

Beats the hell out of what we have now,cause right now,I could go to the graveyard and dig someone up and get them sanctioned in some states.
Its dangerous,and its unfair to the fighters who really take this sport seriously.It allows for graft and corruption 7 ways from sunday,it rips offs the fans.
The states have had years to clean up their own houses,and alot of them havent bothered to do buh.
Required state contracts between fighter,and manager in alot of states read like indentured servitude as well.
I wont let my fighters fight in some states,because the state required manager contract reads like,I just bought the kid to work in a plantation in 1800. I dont matchmake in a couple of others because the promoters fee is just ridiculous high.
Make it a unified set of rules

I agree for the most part. It needs finetuning and input from knowledgeable people in the sport, but the basic principles of safety of fighters and regulation of promoters are sound.

As Trainer stated, the system as we have it is filled with problems. From what I gathered, his point was if it is between the current system and a system regulated by the federal government, the latter is better.

[Trainer Monkey]

Right now the states run boxing. They make and enforce the rules. Every state gets to decide would rules they prefer.

IF the federal govt took over, there would be only one rule maker. And everyone from the US knows how hysterical congress can get when the timing is right(ie Janet Jackson's Boob), so you can gurentee that the first time a high profile fighter dies, you are going to have puritan like regulations that remove all the violence from boxing and will leave us with Olympic type boxing.


Do you want Nancy Palossi having a say on our sport?

Beats the hell out of what we have now,cause right now,I could go to the graveyard and dig someone up and get them sanctioned in some states.
Its dangerous,and its unfair to the fighters who really take this sport seriously.It allows for graft and corruption 7 ways from sunday,it rips offs the fans.
The states have had years to clean up their own houses,and alot of them havent bothered to do buh.
Required state contracts between fighter,and manager in alot of states read like indentured servitude as well.
I wont let my fighters fight in some states,because the state required manager contract reads like,I just bought the kid to work in a plantation in 1800. I dont matchmake in a couple of others because the promoters fee is just ridiculous high.
Make it a unified set of rules

I agree for the most part. It needs finetuning and input from knowledgeable people in the sport, but the basic principles of safety of fighters and regulation of promoters are sound.

As Trainer stated, the system as we have it is filled with problems. From what I gathered, his point was if it is between the current system and a system regulated by the federal government, the latter is better.

Just about.
Let me put it this way,before I'll even let a fighter that I have ties to look at the fight contract,I have to go check that states requirements. And some of them havent changed since boxing got legalized.
Then I have to go look at the contract itself,and half the time there are all kinds of weird riders in there,that a dog wouldnt sign if he knew how to read it.
Then,the money is allways wrong.
All this stress on a kid,that is just about to be hit in the face and hit somebody back,because you spend at least a week calling the kid saying "Its on" and then calling back saying,"There's a problem"
And then theres the actual you get to the ring rules which vary from state to state.
By the time the kid gets to hit somebody he's probably Manic Depressive from all the ups and downs.
It would just be better for everybody but some of the slime that are still floating out there exploiting ,if the rules just got standardized
I wouldnt even have a problem with an audit on occasion,I know my books squeak theyre so clean.
I try to tell people,there's more then enough money to go around in this sport,but if you treat it like a get rich quick scheme,you'll be having a lengthy discussion with the feds anyway.
Might as well have a national overseeing board.
Id be happier

[El Kabong]

It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?


I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better

[Youngblood]

It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?


I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better

It's official.

[Wayne]

I've always been for a boxing "league" I just wished someone had gotten it done without the government stepping in. Let's say it was something we all could live with now. The next time a fighter dies or gets horribly injured then the sabers would rattle for more regulation. The government is like an invited guest who not only won't leave, but starts telling you how to run your home.

I'm thinking the USBC is just a commission now, but it could easily be expanded to become a sanctioning body. If the right people were involved, which would never happen, it could be a good thing if fees were eliminated and a clear and legitimate ranking system were established. It could take the place of a lineal championship, but that won't happen. Boxing is as corrupt as it is because it can be and just wait until you see how this thing to boxers' benefit is corrupted.

[Lance Uppercut]

The next time a fighter dies or gets horribly injured then the sabers would rattle for more regulation. The government is like an invited guest who not only won't leave, but starts telling you how to run your home.

Exactly

[Trainer Monkey]

It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?


I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better

Having it universal that you cant have walk in the door contracts? You know a contract that the fighter signs while he's getting taped,and didnt have a chance to read?
Eliminating double dipping on a fighters money?
Making it universal that fighters have to, at the very least, have a HIV/Hep test?
Making sure the gate reciepts are equitable to the fighters purses by an occasional audit?


Whatever would I do?
I mean other then what I allready do?
Make it universal,and create some National oversight board,because the states wont do it on their own,theyve had more then enough chances and warnings. And there are way too many scumballs out there who will gleefully exploit the loophole in their regulations to make a buck.
Universal oversight,wont affect me one wit,I allready play the game that way,and anyone who got driven out of the sport because they couldnt abide by fair universal laws,buh bye.

[Wayne]

It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?


I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better

Having it universal that you cant have walk in the door contracts? You know a contract that the fighter signs while he's getting taped,and didnt have a chance to read?
Eliminating double dipping on a fighters money?
Making it universal that fighters have to, at the very least, have a HIV/Hep test?
Making sure the gate reciepts are equitable to the fighters purses by an occasional audit?


Whatever would I do?
I mean other then what I allready do?
Make it universal,and create some National oversight board,because the states wont do it on their own,theyve had more then enough chances and warnings. And there are way too many scumballs out there who will gleefully exploit the loophole in their regulations to make a buck.
Universal oversight,wont affect me one wit,I allready play the game that way,and anyone who got driven out of the sport because they couldnt abide by fair universal laws,buh bye.

I can't disagree with you, TM, but I just have a feeling that what's really going to happen is your going to trade up in the bully market. Now the bully will have force of law. It won't end corruption and some how, some way boxers will still get screwed. What will really happen is "altruistic" types will have fatter pockets.

[fan johnny]

It would be a shame if goons like SOB weren't able to screw fighters over... a bill that quite possibly could rid the world of shady promoters, unfit boxers, and crooked dealings in boxing.......damn why would anyone want that to happen?


I don't care if you voted for McCain or for Obama, you have to respect what John McCain is trying to do for boxing....he's one of the few guys who really cares about the sport AND he's in a position where he could help change the sport for the better

Having it universal that you cant have walk in the door contracts? You know a contract that the fighter signs while he's getting taped,and didnt have a chance to read?
Eliminating double dipping on a fighters money?
Making it universal that fighters have to, at the very least, have a HIV/Hep test?
Making sure the gate reciepts are equitable to the fighters purses by an occasional audit?


Whatever would I do?
I mean other then what I allready do?
Make it universal,and create some National oversight board,because the states wont do it on their own,theyve had more then enough chances and warnings. And there are way too many scumballs out there who will gleefully exploit the loophole in their regulations to make a buck.
Universal oversight,wont affect me one wit,I allready play the game that way,and anyone who got driven out of the sport because they couldnt abide by fair universal laws,buh bye.

Hey guys, I'm not sure that everyone here really understands the impact of this bill. I started 'browsing' the "Actual Text" (not the report on findings) of the bill and there is some real eye opening stuff in it and It looks like there will be some huge impacts for everyone involved boxing including the promoters, the sanctioning bodies and ratings and of course the intent of the bill which is to provide some fairness and protection to the fighters when it gets passed.

GovTrack: H.R. 523: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House

[El Kabong]

OK let's say you are right Killface....then explain exactly how the government has hurt the following:

NHL
NBA
MLB
MLS
NFL

etc etc etc

If anything creating ONE league would do 1 sure thing......RID THE WORLD OF NICOLAY VALUEV!!!!

[Pravus]

McCain is targeting reservations because of the shady dealings going on in the casinos on those reservation lands. The Campbell/Casa fight of 2003 at Pechanga Resort & Casino is a prime example of this corruption and one that McCain got personally involved in. The whole "soveriegn nation' shit is exactly what they are hiding behind - all McCain wants is some accountability for what goes on on these reservations because the current commissions aren't doing shit or are themselves involved in these dealings. Just like they have to get a federal license to run a casino, they'll have to establish a commission and agree to abide by the law if they want hold championship boxing within those casinos. I don't see a damn thing wrong with this - this environment surrounding this sport needs some accountability, and the current sanctioning bodies have failed miserably in that sense. Hell, if it had been solely up to the current commission, Shane Mosley would have been pummeled with plaster-capped fists rather than beating down Margarito for the title a few weeks ago.

If McCain can get rid of the dumb-ass open-scoring (I know that's not in there, but I know he doesn't like it himself so maybe he'll slip an 'earmark' in ), make professional boxing licenses bondable across all 50 states (so if you're banned in NY you can't skip over to Vegas to fight), and have a body outside the sport itself monitoring the promotors/casino owners/commissioners and the legal contracts they make with one another, how could that be bad for the sport?

-- And he needs to add a bit in there about the qualifications of judges. Ah - and Kellerman. Damn, I think I actually have a list around here somewhere....

What do you mean "sovereign nation shit"? They are a sovereign nation, why does McCain have any say governing foreign nations?

Indian Reservations are not sovereign nations. They were given the territory and right to govern that territory under the auspices of the US Government (their conqueror). Furthermore, McCain is only demanding that they conduct and report on their sporting activities - he isn't governing anyone. Calm down.

Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the plight of the American Indian - my comment is addressing the Bill proposed by McCain as it applies to boxing.