OK gentlemen and ladies,
I have an idea here. We all have our own opinions on how a sanctioning body should be run, so why don't we make up the rules of our own sanctioning body, we could create our own champs and rankings etc.
Anyone wanna play?
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OK gentlemen and ladies,
I have an idea here. We all have our own opinions on how a sanctioning body should be run, so why don't we make up the rules of our own sanctioning body, we could create our own champs and rankings etc.
Anyone wanna play?
As long as Judah and Ruiz get 1 out of 3 title fights in the respective weights I dont care about the other rules.
Sounds good!
I don't like the idea of stripping championships or moving unworthy fighters up the rankings for no reason (we could have own ratings?)
Theres more but I'd have to think on it
I would like to retain titles in the same way as the Ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Awesome count me in
I'd like to put a motion on the floor for the initial rankings all titles will be vacant. We will rank the top 10 fighters in each weight class, when the #1 ranked fighter fights any other top 5 that will be the first title fight.
This is open to discussion
Awesome...use of instant replay in all santioned fights ;D Oh and for any fighter to enter top ten,they will have to defeat a top ten.
I like the beat the rank to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think thats a good idea! Would filling vacancies be the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI would like to retain titles in the same way as the Ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I think, just putting this out there of course when #1 fights #2 it's automatic, I would like to change from there though and say when #1 fights #3-#5 we could put to comittee and vote if it merits a title shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI think thats a good idea! Would filling vacancies be the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI would like to retain titles in the same way as the Ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
This differs from only the #3 by the ring.
Its like a wider net cast...similiar to how the The Ring Champion is crowned.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI like the beat the rank to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I'm happy to have all championships vacant but would prefer the current Ring champs to be ranked #1 to continue the linage.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I think if #1 fights any other top 4 should be the qualifier
So you're talkingQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm happy to have all championships vacant but would prefer the current Ring champs to be ranked #1 to continue the linage.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I think if #1 fights any other top 4 should be the qualifier
Adamek at 200
Pavlik at 160
Hatton at 140
JMM at 135
Vazquez at 122
Calderon at 108
To all get a pass as #1 ranked, I have no problem with that.
Yeah I like that idea too, but I also the the Rings inactivity policy... if a fighter has not fought for over a year with no fight scheduled then they are removed, how would we fill the vacant spot? Vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsIts like a wider net cast...similiar to how the The Ring Champion is crowned.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI like the beat the rank to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
How about a change of pace...no alphabet soup letters.Need a name ??Oh and monthly reviews of all ring officials.NO EVEN ROUNDS lol.Judges introduced in the ring at the time of fighters and ref.....for ALL to see
Good idea about retaining the Ring Champions
I say everyone moves up to fill the gap, and then we vote to pick a fight of two unranked fighters that's happening within 3 months of the vacancy opening to fill the number 10 spot, instead of just putting someone in.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah I like that idea too, but I also the the Rings inactivity policy... if a fighter has not fought for over a year with no fight scheduled then they are removed, how would we fill the vacant spot? Vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsIts like a wider net cast...similiar to how the The Ring Champion is crowned.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
We will also have to address weight class jumping.
Niiice one.Maybe a rematch clause ???Those who have already met a top ten but came up short (by decision) meet one another to fill void.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah I like that idea too, but I also the the Rings inactivity policy... if a fighter has not fought for over a year with no fight scheduled then they are removed, how would we fill the vacant spot? Vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsIts like a wider net cast...similiar to how the The Ring Champion is crowned.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Yeah pretty obvious choices there, another thing Id like is fighters will be able to be ranked in multiple weights e.g. say Mosley beats Forrest at 154 he would become ranked at 154 & 147 but if he goes over something like a year not fighting in one weight he'll be removed from that weight class... oh & I like the idea of holding multiple championships in different weights but I think there should be some sorta limit on defending the championship say 2 years without defending your title would be classed as relinquishing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSo you're talkingQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm happy to have all championships vacant but would prefer the current Ring champs to be ranked #1 to continue the linage.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I think if #1 fights any other top 4 should be the qualifier
Adamek at 200
Pavlik at 160
Hatton at 140
JMM at 135
Vazquez at 122
Calderon at 108
To all get a pass as #1 ranked, I have no problem with that.
Ok let's establish reasons for vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah pretty obvious choices there, another thing Id like is fighters will be able to be ranked in multiple weights e.g. say Mosley beats Forrest at 154 he would become ranked at 154 & 147 but if he goes over something like a year not fighting in one weight he'll be removed from that weight class... oh & I like the idea of holding multiple championships in different weights but I think there should be some sorta limit on defending the championship say 2 years without defending your title would be classed as relinquishing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSo you're talkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Adamek at 200
Pavlik at 160
Hatton at 140
JMM at 135
Vazquez at 122
Calderon at 108
To all get a pass as #1 ranked, I have no problem with that.
1. A fight announces his retirement he is immediately removed.
2. A fighter ranked #1 - #10 that doesn't fight in a weightclass for a year vacates that spot.
3. A Champion that doesn't defend in that weight class in 2 years vacates the title.
I'd like there to be 5 judges, and to have them remove the 2 most out of line scores or something to that effect with the scoring. So you are taking 3 judges scores from the 5, but eliminating 2 of them...like some other sports do.
Or some variation similar.
the fighters i consider champions in each weight division
Heavyweight-Wladimir Klitschko
Cruiserweight-Tomasz Adamek
LightHeavy-Bernard Hopkins
Super Middle-Mikkel Kessler
Middleweight-Kelly Pavlik
Jr.Middle- Vernon Forrest
Welterweight- Shane Mosley
Jr. Welter-Ricky Hatton
Lightweight-Juan Manuel Marquez
Jr.Lightweight-Jorge Linares
Featherweight-Chris John
Super Bantamweight-Israel Vazquez
Bantamweight-Gerry Penalosa
Jr.Bantam-Fernando Montiel/Vic Darchinyan (tied)
Flyweight-Nonito Donaire
Jr.Flyweight down- Ivan Calderon
I like that idea and Spicoli's instant replay, but I plan on following actual fights with this, so once we get some funding we'll do both!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Good stuff,like the immediate removal.I think maybe the Champions vacancy should be same as top ten contender?Two years is a loooong time.Might he wait some top guys out ??Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepOk let's establish reasons for vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah pretty obvious choices there, another thing Id like is fighters will be able to be ranked in multiple weights e.g. say Mosley beats Forrest at 154 he would become ranked at 154 & 147 but if he goes over something like a year not fighting in one weight he'll be removed from that weight class... oh & I like the idea of holding multiple championships in different weights but I think there should be some sorta limit on defending the championship say 2 years without defending your title would be classed as relinquishing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
1. A fight announces his retirement he is immediately removed.
2. A fighter ranked #1 - #10 that doesn't fight in a weightclass for a year vacates that spot.
3. A Champion that doesn't defend in that weight class in 2 years vacates the title.
That's true, I'm on the fence on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsGood stuff,like the immediate removal.I think maybe the Champions vacancy should be same as top ten contender?Two years is a loooong time.Might he wait some top guys out ??Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepOk let's establish reasons for vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
1. A fight announces his retirement he is immediately removed.
2. A fighter ranked #1 - #10 that doesn't fight in a weightclass for a year vacates that spot.
3. A Champion that doesn't defend in that weight class in 2 years vacates the title.
I would also like to establish a pool, the pool would be fighters recently removed from the rankings list they will have priority consideration for addition to the ranking list.
It doesn't have to be that long, I just think its a suffucant amount of time. If a fighter hasn't fought at that weight for 2 years its more than likely they won't be back... I think after 1 year of not defending if a fight between the #1 & #2 is made then we could vote to see if that fight should be considered as a championship fight. If in 2 years of not defending then the title becomes vacant...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepOk let's establish reasons for vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah pretty obvious choices there, another thing Id like is fighters will be able to be ranked in multiple weights e.g. say Mosley beats Forrest at 154 he would become ranked at 154 & 147 but if he goes over something like a year not fighting in one weight he'll be removed from that weight class... oh & I like the idea of holding multiple championships in different weights but I think there should be some sorta limit on defending the championship say 2 years without defending your title would be classed as relinquishing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
1. A fight announces his retirement he is immediately removed.
2. A fighter ranked #1 - #10 that doesn't fight in a weightclass for a year vacates that spot.
3. A Champion that doesn't defend in that weight class in 2 years vacates the title.
That seems reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyIt doesn't have to be that long, I just think its a suffucant amount of time. If a fighter hasn't fought at that weight for 2 years its more than likely they won't be back... I think after 1 year of not defending if a fight between the #1 & #2 is made then we could vote to see if that fight should be considered as a championship fight. If in 2 years of not defending then the title becomes vacant...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepOk let's establish reasons for vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
1. A fight announces his retirement he is immediately removed.
2. A fighter ranked #1 - #10 that doesn't fight in a weightclass for a year vacates that spot.
3. A Champion that doesn't defend in that weight class in 2 years vacates the title.
I was thinking something similar to your pool idea, e.g.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat's true, I'm on the fence on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsGood stuff,like the immediate removal.I think maybe the Champions vacancy should be same as top ten contender?Two years is a loooong time.Might he wait some top guys out ??Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I would also like to establish a pool, the pool would be fighters recently removed from the rankings list they will have priority consideration for addition to the ranking list.
In the Ring Rankings for 11 Jan 09 O'Neil Bell was removed from the cruiserweight ratings for inactivity... he would become our #11. Then in the last Ratings for 1 March 09 BJ Flores was removed (troy Ross entered but this wouldn't occur for us because he didn't beat a ranked fighter).
Flores could become #11 & Bell would move down to 12 & so forth.
As we go along more fighters would be added in this way, then if any of them fight they would change rank accordingly or if they are beaten by a unranked that fighter would take their rating moving them down. These fights between #11 down could be used to fill vacancies also!
Well, I wasn't thinking about ranking them along with the rest, just have a group called the pool and when a vacancy opens we see what fights the people in the pool have and choose the best one to fight for the vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI was thinking something similar to your pool idea, e.g.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat's true, I'm on the fence on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I would also like to establish a pool, the pool would be fighters recently removed from the rankings list they will have priority consideration for addition to the ranking list.
In the Ring Rankings for 11 Jan 09 O'Neil Bell was removed from the cruiserweight ratings for inactivity... he would become our #11. Then in the last Ratings for 1 March 09 BJ Flores was removed (troy Ross entered but this wouldn't occur for us because he didn't beat a ranked fighter).
Flores could become #11 & Bell would move down to 12 & so forth.
As we go along more fighters would be added in this way, then if any of them fight they would change rank accordingly or if they are beaten by a unranked that fighter would take their rating moving them down. These fights between #11 down could be used to fill vacancies also!
If someone is in the pool for a year they are removed just like the ranked fighters.
Could even be #1 contender vs any of the top 4 (or 5)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat seems reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyIt doesn't have to be that long, I just think its a suffucant amount of time. If a fighter hasn't fought at that weight for 2 years its more than likely they won't be back... I think after 1 year of not defending if a fight between the #1 & #2 is made then we could vote to see if that fight should be considered as a championship fight. If in 2 years of not defending then the title becomes vacant...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
No they don't have to be ranked with the others but fighters that are removed should be put in the pool as well as fighters on the cusp of the top 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepWell, I wasn't thinking about ranking them along with the rest, just have a group called the pool and when a vacancy opens we see what fights the people in the pool have and choose the best one to fight for the vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI was thinking something similar to your pool idea, e.g.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
In the Ring Rankings for 11 Jan 09 O'Neil Bell was removed from the cruiserweight ratings for inactivity... he would become our #11. Then in the last Ratings for 1 March 09 BJ Flores was removed (troy Ross entered but this wouldn't occur for us because he didn't beat a ranked fighter).
Flores could become #11 & Bell would move down to 12 & so forth.
As we go along more fighters would be added in this way, then if any of them fight they would change rank accordingly or if they are beaten by a unranked that fighter would take their rating moving them down. These fights between #11 down could be used to fill vacancies also!
If someone is in the pool for a year they are removed just like the ranked fighters.
Also if an unranked defeats a ranked would he take his rating or would we vote on that divisions top 10 again? Or do fighters only advance by beating guys ahead of them? Or do we do a monthly ratings listing any changes?
But would'nt a meeting of 1 and 2 constitute a previous consideration,or just establish a mandatory challenger.If a guy wins in year one,he can also sit on the sideline hoping the Champ does the same.Just might become blurred as to what actually determines a Championship fight with the vote??Dont mind me,off for three days and indulging in liquids...ahem;DQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyIt doesn't have to be that long, I just think its a suffucant amount of time. If a fighter hasn't fought at that weight for 2 years its more than likely they won't be back... I think after 1 year of not defending if a fight between the #1 & #2 is made then we could vote to see if that fight should be considered as a championship fight. If in 2 years of not defending then the title becomes vacant...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepOk let's establish reasons for vacancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
1. A fight announces his retirement he is immediately removed.
2. A fighter ranked #1 - #10 that doesn't fight in a weightclass for a year vacates that spot.
3. A Champion that doesn't defend in that weight class in 2 years vacates the title.
What I mean is that once a champion is established he must defend his title at least once a year from the date he won it. Every fight at that weight would be considered at defense for him. If he goes over that year period without defending (due to inactivity or fighting at other weights, not injury) then if the #1 & #2 contenders sign to fight sometime in the next 12 months following then it could qualify as fight to crown a new champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsBut would'nt a meeting of 1 and 2 constitute a previous consideration,or just establish a mandatory challenger.If a guy wins in year one,he can also sit on the sideline hoping the Champ does the same.Just might become blurred as to what actually determines a Championship fight with the vote??Dont mind me,off for three days and indulging in liquids...ahem;DQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyIt doesn't have to be that long, I just think its a suffucant amount of time. If a fighter hasn't fought at that weight for 2 years its more than likely they won't be back... I think after 1 year of not defending if a fight between the #1 & #2 is made then we could vote to see if that fight should be considered as a championship fight. If in 2 years of not defending then the title becomes vacant...Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Saddo's is becoming the new Ring ;D
Great job killer, when is the planned date for this being due?
I'd be interested in being one of the judges, at least for UK screened fights if that's possible. How will the judges be chosen?
All fights are chosen by us as the goverming body (or 1 in every 2). Everything negotiation wise from venue, ticket prices, promotions, purse, Everything will be left to the promotions teams but if they hit too many stumbling blocks we intervene and what ever we say goes.
We need to make sure the best fights happen, fair fights happen and no super shit excuses are made for fights not happening. Then we wont have people lingerin in the top 10 never gettin a shot when others get plenty of shots just cuz they got a decent fan base.
And when your the world champ all your fights are mandatory defences. You may be your own man but when you have 1 of our belts unless you wana give it back you will fight who we say cuz we wana know whose really the best.
Ofcourse theres room for appeals in all of this for the sake of fairness.
Just pass a test that shows you know how to score rounds and pay the small liscensing fee ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Since you have to beat a fighter to get their rank, how would we handle this situation?
Fighter ranked #2 and Fighter ranked #3 fight.
#2 Wins, would #3 keep his spot or be moved down a rank?
I would like to make them move down a rank.
WBC championship
WBO championship
then a collection of various organisations all put together to make one solid cast iron championship belt
Mandatorys considered non-optional only if theyre is a clear case for a fighter to choose to fight in a more lucrative fight ie:vitali klitschko doesnt lose his title for opting to fight david haye rather than a lesser mandatory opponent.
oh and bring back the super-heavyweight division so we can have freaks like valuev out of the real division ;D;D;D
Aha I gotcha now.One thing I'd add is that a reigning champion cannot division jump to test the waters at higher/lower weight and keep championship.This may seem uptight but I think it would maintain structure in division.Am I off? Just a personal dislike the leaping.Chances are highly likely that any succsess at higher weight translates to that champion never returning to legitiment threats....cough Pac.....cough:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyWhat I mean is that once a champion is established he must defend his title at least once a year from the date he won it. Every fight at that weight would be considered at defense for him. If he goes over that year period without defending (due to inactivity or fighting at other weights, not injury) then if the #1 & #2 contenders sign to fight sometime in the next 12 months following then it could qualify as fight to crown a new champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsBut would'nt a meeting of 1 and 2 constitute a previous consideration,or just establish a mandatory challenger.If a guy wins in year one,he can also sit on the sideline hoping the Champ does the same.Just might become blurred as to what actually determines a Championship fight with the vote??Dont mind me,off for three days and indulging in liquids...ahem;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I see what you are saying. Maybe we should just say a champ that doesn't defend his title for a year vacates automatically. Let's say for example JMM who is the champ at 135 moves to 140 and fights an unranked fighter JMM by right gets put in the 140 lb. pool, but if he does not defend at 135 within a year of his last defense there he gets dropped to the 135 pool as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsAha I gotcha now.One thing I'd add is that a reigning champion cannot division jump to test the waters at higher/lower weight and keep championship.This may seem uptight but I think it would maintain structure in division.Am I off? Just a personal dislike the leaping.Chances are highly likely that any succsess at higher weight translates to that champion never returning to legitiment threats....cough Pac.....cough:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyWhat I mean is that once a champion is established he must defend his title at least once a year from the date he won it. Every fight at that weight would be considered at defense for him. If he goes over that year period without defending (due to inactivity or fighting at other weights, not injury) then if the #1 & #2 contenders sign to fight sometime in the next 12 months following then it could qualify as fight to crown a new champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
We are going to need a lot of threads for ranking votes for this. We should we make a home for this?