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Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Okay, let's get this out of the way, because I know a lot of you will start hating on Sergio, and hoping for his demise.
I heard from Sergio earlier today, and he let me know that he was in Vegas yesterday, and he came to terms with, and signed off on fighting Pavlik at the end of June or July, in Atlantic City.
They are just waiting for Pavlik and his team to sign off on the deal, which will supposedly happen next week.
I'm just really pissed off, because Arum has been saying for weeks that Kelly's next fight will be here in Cleveland, and now the rat b@stard went and changed sites on me. It would have been so perfect for me to have Sergio come here to fight.
I found out afterwards, that Arum is possibly thinking of doing another split site PPV, with the other main event coming out of Mexico. Which sounds to me, that Arum is lining up a fight for Margacheato in Mexico. I'll try to get more on that from Sergio this weekend. I hope that's not true, because I will never support Margacheato ever again, and it sucks that he will be on the same card as Sergio and Pavlik. I'll have a hard time with that one.
Plus, if it's true about it being Margacheato, I think he would be a complete dumbass to thumb his nose at the California Commission. I don't think they would be all too happy to reinstate him if he does. Which actually, might be a good thing, IMO, because I don't think one year is enough for a man who has no regard for the health and safety of another human being.
Obviously, I'm nervous about this fight, yes I'm friends with, and will always support Sergio, but I'm not blind to his limitations. I know he'll never knock Kelly out, but I think his awkward style will give Kelly some problems. Sergio has been wanting this fight for a long time, so I think he just might rise to the occasion, and do a lot better than you guys think he will.
It's a shame that a lot of you guys don't like him, because I know, that if you ever got the chance to talk to him, and get to know him, you would really like him. He really is a very down to earth and humble guy.
So, come on guys, get it out of the way now. :p
I'll have to send an email to Leftylee, and laugh at him, because he can't stand Sergio, and now since he asked Saddo to ban him for 6 weeks, he can't come in here and hate on him. ;D
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Based on recent performances I think this fight will be competitive. A Mora win actually wouldn't even shock me. Pavlik had shown he's clearly one-dimensional.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Good choice for Kelly. Relatively easy fight, against a fighter that a few casual fans will remember.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Tough fight for Mora. Man vs Boy.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Mora tends to fight to par with the opposition no matter who he fights. Reguardless of what people think about him, he can fight and he has a good chin. I dont know if hell beat Pavlik, but he can outbox him imo.
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I can see Mora frustrating the shite out of Pavlik for a while.Pavlik has shown no improvements to me.I just dont think sergio has the firepower to ultimatly keep Pavlik off...think Pav would be better suited going to the body big time rather than head.
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Yeah, I can see Mora having some success early, but not able to keep Pavlik off towards the later rounds. Hopefully it won't turn into an ugly Mora "trying to survive" mess. I'm a little surprised at this match up, but I guess there're not too many name MWs, other than AA; which has been discussed ad nauseam? Wasn't there talk of Duddy a while back? I guess he's not ready, if he'll ever be.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
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Violent Demise
Based on recent performances I think this fight will be competitive. A Mora win actually wouldn't even shock me. Pavlik had shown he's clearly one-dimensional.
Just like Antonio Tarver? I don't think so, Hopkins was just the worst opponent for him in the world.
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Taeth
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Violent Demise
Based on recent performances I think this fight will be competitive. A Mora win actually wouldn't even shock me. Pavlik had shown he's clearly one-dimensional.
Just like Antonio Tarver? I don't think so, Hopkins was just the worst opponent for him in the world.
Pavlik fought Tarver? Damn I must of missed that
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I can see Mora frustrating the shite out of Pavlik for a while.Pavlik has shown no improvements to me.I just dont think sergio has the firepower to ultimatly keep Pavlik off...think Pav would be better suited going to the body big time rather than head.
Arum revealed that the June or July next title defense for middleweight champion Kelly “The Ghost” Pavlik is going to be against Sergio Mora. It will be part of a huge PPV TV show which will include bouts taking place in Mexico.
So this means they will be fighting on the Margarito card.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2hh3b46.png
If Sergio can borrow Tony's PLASTER, Sergio will have no problem putting some lumps on Kelly's head
;D
I like both these fighters and each should know how to beat the other but who will have a better game plan? I hope it turns out to be a good fight though. I wonder who Margacheater is going to be facing?
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Violent Demise
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Taeth
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Violent Demise
Based on recent performances I think this fight will be competitive. A Mora win actually wouldn't even shock me. Pavlik had shown he's clearly one-dimensional.
Just like Antonio Tarver? I don't think so, Hopkins was just the worst opponent for him in the world.
Pavlik fought Tarver? Damn I must of missed that
? How does that even make sense. I was drawing the comparison of them against Hopkins, he brings out any flaw any fighter has. Only guy he wasn't able to do that agianst was Roy Jones.
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I can see Mora frustrating the shite out of Pavlik for a while.Pavlik has shown no improvements to me.I just dont think sergio has the firepower to ultimatly keep Pavlik off...think Pav would be better suited going to the body big time rather than head.
He doesn't have one.:)
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Arum is such a prick, whatever happened to the unification match with Abraham. Unlike most others on here I ain't got a problem with Mora, but for me he's a LMW, & it shows how pathetically they're playin it safe with Pavlik after the B-Hop loss. One thing I'll say is I bet you don't see Cotto going for a rematch with Zab Judah in his next fight, he'll at least take on Mosley or Clottey. Seriously since the Taylor wins, the only good opponent Pavlik has been up against is Hopkins & look what happened there. Gary Lockett, Marco Antonio Rubio & Sergio Mora are just not good enough fights for a guy who is supposedly the best Middleweight in the world. If he is he should fight Abraham & it seems clear to me Top Rank are just waiting till the point that Abraham can no longer stay at the weight. This has pissed me off big time.
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JazMerkin
Arum is such a prick, whatever happened to the unification match with Abraham. Unlike most others on here I ain't got a problem with Mora, but for me he's a LMW, & it shows how pathetically they're playin it safe with Pavlik after the B-Hop loss. One thing I'll say is I bet you don't see Cotto going for a rematch with Zab Judah in his next fight, he'll at least take on Mosley or Clottey. Seriously since the Taylor wins, the only good opponent Pavlik has been up against is Hopkins & look what happened there. Gary Lockett, Marco Antonio Rubio & Sergio Mora are just not good enough fights for a guy who is supposedly the best Middleweight in the world. If he is he should fight Abraham & it seems clear to me Top Rank are just waiting till the point that Abraham can no longer stay at the weight. This has pissed me off big time.
I have to agree. Arthur Abraham was the fight I wanted to see but, both Hopkins and Abraham are two of the best defensive fighters in the game and we all saw how many clean shots Pavlik landed against Hopkins, what was it like two? Abraham is all wrong for Pavlik and I hate to admit it but the smurf is one of the most patient fighters in the ring today and Pavlik would probably never land that many clean shots against Abraham either.
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JazMerkin
Arum is such a prick, whatever happened to the unification match with Abraham. Unlike most others on here I ain't got a problem with Mora, but for me he's a LMW, & it shows how pathetically they're playin it safe with Pavlik after the B-Hop loss. One thing I'll say is I bet you don't see Cotto going for a rematch with Zab Judah in his next fight, he'll at least take on Mosley or Clottey. Seriously since the Taylor wins, the only good opponent Pavlik has been up against is Hopkins & look what happened there. Gary Lockett, Marco Antonio Rubio & Sergio Mora are just not good enough fights for a guy who is supposedly the best Middleweight in the world. If he is he should fight Abraham & it seems clear to me Top Rank are just waiting till the point that Abraham can no longer stay at the weight. This has pissed me off big time.
I have to agree. Arthur Abraham was the fight I wanted to see but, both Hopkins and Abraham are two of the best defensive fighters in the game and we all saw how many clean shots Pavlik landed against Hopkins, what was it like two? Abraham is all wrong for Pavlik and I hate to admit it but the smurf is one of the most patient fighters in the ring today and Pavlik would probably never land that many clean shots against Abraham either.
I think the same, but its not as if Pavlik wouldn't stand a chance, for me it would be close to a 50-50 fight. What's pissin me off is he had his one comeback fight to get over the loss, dominated his opponent & now he should be getting back to fighting quality opposition. Cotto (who I had thought would be more damaged by defeat than Pavlik) came back had a sort of warm-up, comeback fight against Jennings & is now getting back to fighting serious quality opposition. Clottey is a dangerous opponent to be facing, and I got a lot of respect for Cotto if that goes through. Even after Hatton got KTFO by PBF, he fought a comeback fight against Lazcano then fought the guy The Ring rated as the next best guy in the division. Seriously Pavlik needs to step up again fast coz I think Arum is just ridin his current popularity wave
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Here's more info on it.
It looks like JCC Jr is the other main fight, but Arum might have Margacheato on the card as well.
Kelly Pavlik's third title defense to come against Sergio Mora - ESPN
;D
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Mora has a style that could trouble Pavlik.
Pavlik's pressure and power should get him through though.
Pavlik by mid -late TKO.
Hopefully after this he fights people more worth fighting.
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Good choice for Kelly. Relatively easy fight, against a fighter that a few casual fans will remember.
Thats the problem with Boxing.
Really fed up of watching predictable one sided beatdowns especially when the fights that you'd expect to be exciting aren't even screened over here.....Berto - Collazo for example.
Getting really boring watching Pavlik and Abraham both fighting piss poor fighters. It's not even building up suspense to a super-fight anymore. It's beyond a joke.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Sergio is no B Hop. I think Kelly wins this fight on the cards. Once Sergio figures out he cant win he will make it an ugly stinkfest..........
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
I don't mind Mora atall, he's just a little small for this division. I see Mr 2D Pavlik walking him down and not being deterred in the slightest by what Mora has to offer.
I know he took a real good hiding from BHop but Pavlik really needs to get a bit more back for himself than beating Sergio Mora. Surely people don't really want to see this.
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I love Mora. This guy just has balls pure and simple. Nobody knew who he was until he won The Contender,after this accomplishment goes on to fight the junior middleweight champ Vernon Forrest and wins,he then loses the rematch and now he signs to fight Pavlik. A very rare class act outside the ring. What can you not like about this guy. It just sucks he has to fight Pavlik.
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Mora is a tougher fight for Pavlik than Duddy, another potential opponent before the AA fight. Mora is a former champ at jr. middleweight and a tricky fighter. If he is waiting on Abraham, then this is really not a bad fight in the interim. Too bad it is a PPV or I'd say that it wasn't all that bad of a move.
On that note, why are people putting down Pavlik for not fighting Abraham, rather than vice versa? Why are people putting down Pavlik's choice of opponents and not Abraham's? Be fair.
Pavlik has taken the tougher road in recent times. Who has Abraham fought recently that is worth mentioning? Speaking of which, who the hell is Lajuan Simon? Inititially, I thought he was a lesser-known European fighter, but it turns out he is from Philly! It's just that he has never fought anyone remotely known and is completely untested. Talk about a Gary Lockett, but actually he isn't quite as accomplished as Gary Lockett. And he isn't close to a Sergio Mora. Wait, Pavlik fought Lockett after fighting Jermain Taylor. Maybe AA deserved a breather because his last fight was against an elite opponent? Uhmm...No - it was against Raul Marquez!! When was the last time Abraham was tested? Khoren Ghevor? Maybe the first Edison Miranda fight? Please. Indeed, who is AA's biggest win? Please hold AA to the same standard you hold Pavlik.
Pavlik v. Abraham is a tough fight to call, 50-50 really. I'm a big fan of both. I may lean toward AA in a fight between the two, but I hold AA in high regard.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
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The Fightfan
I love Mora. This guy just has balls pure and simple. Nobody knew who he was until he won The Contender,after this accomplishment goes on to fight the junior middleweight champ Vernon Forrest and wins,he then loses the rematch and now he signs to fight Pavlik. A very rare class act outside the ring. What can you not like about this guy. It just sucks he has to fight Pavlik.
The only thing I don't like about him is his taunting. Other than that, I agree.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
The lustre has long since worn off KP IMO
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
how the hell can anyone claim this fight will be close
have you lot actually seen sergio and kelly fight??
Pavlik will dismantle, destroy and completely beat up sergio for about 6-7rounds until team mora decides there boy has had enough!!
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I love Mora. This guy just has balls pure and simple. Nobody knew who he was until he won The Contender,after this accomplishment goes on to fight the junior middleweight champ Vernon Forrest and wins,he then loses the rematch and now he signs to fight Pavlik. A very rare class act outside the ring. What can you not like about this guy. It just sucks he has to fight Pavlik.
The only thing I don't like about him is his taunting. Other than that, I agree.
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and SEMINOLE FL ??? (Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
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hattonthehammer
how the hell can anyone claim this fight will be close
have you lot actually seen sergio and kelly fight??
Pavlik will dismantle, destroy and completely beat up sergio for about 6-7rounds until team mora decides there boy has had enough!!
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
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The Fightfan
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I love Mora. This guy just has balls pure and simple. Nobody knew who he was until he won The Contender,after this accomplishment goes on to fight the junior middleweight champ Vernon Forrest and wins,he then loses the rematch and now he signs to fight Pavlik. A very rare class act outside the ring. What can you not like about this guy. It just sucks he has to fight Pavlik.
The only thing I don't like about him is his taunting. Other than that, I agree.
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and SEMINOLE FL ??? (
Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and
Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
how the hell can anyone claim this fight will be close
have you lot actually seen sergio and kelly fight??
Pavlik will dismantle, destroy and completely beat up sergio for about 6-7rounds until team mora decides there boy has had enough!!
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
Have you missed the last few weeks? The Sauerland people are desperately trying to make the fight its Arum & Pavlik's people who're ducking it. Abraham wants to make this fight before he can't make 160 anymore as a win will also help his standing when he goes up to 168. I'd be rooting for Pavlik if they fought, but don't act like it ain't Kelly who's dodgin the fight
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I love Mora. This guy just has balls pure and simple. Nobody knew who he was until he won The Contender,after this accomplishment goes on to fight the junior middleweight champ Vernon Forrest and wins,he then loses the rematch and now he signs to fight Pavlik. A very rare class act outside the ring. What can you not like about this guy. It just sucks he has to fight Pavlik.
The only thing I don't like about him is his taunting. Other than that, I agree.
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and
SEMINOLE FL ??? (
Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and
Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
how the hell can anyone claim this fight will be close
have you lot actually seen sergio and kelly fight??
Pavlik will dismantle, destroy and completely beat up sergio for about 6-7rounds until team mora decides there boy has had enough!!
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
I'm as critical of Abraham's choice of opposition as anyone, but traveling to Miranda's backyard to give him the rematch is nothing to rip on him for. Also, he recently called out Pavlik, I posted the article on here.
As for Mora, I'm one of the few who like him, I'll be cheering for him, but I don't really see any way he beats Pavlik. He showed a good chin against Forrest in the rematch, but I think Pavlik will catch him lunging in and stop him at some point. I just don't see any way Mora can win. He's doesn't have the footwork of Hopkins, nor does he have a solid defense or the power to both Pavlik.
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JazMerkin
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The Fightfan
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Rantcatrat
The only thing I don't like about him is his taunting. Other than that, I agree.
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and SEMINOLE FL ??? (
Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and
Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
how the hell can anyone claim this fight will be close
have you lot actually seen sergio and kelly fight??
Pavlik will dismantle, destroy and completely beat up sergio for about 6-7rounds until team mora decides there boy has had enough!!
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
Have you missed the last few weeks? The Sauerland people are desperately trying to make the fight its Arum & Pavlik's people who're ducking it. Abraham wants to make this fight before he can't make 160 anymore as a win will also help his standing when he goes up to 168. I'd be rooting for Pavlik if they fought, but don't act like it ain't Kelly who's dodgin the fight
if it happened it`d be great to watch just because of the fact abraham is steamrollering world champion contenders and pavlik is the current man at 160
Id hedge my bets on an abraham stoppage though it would be one of those complete pick`em fights!
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Possibly the happiest poster on this forum right now.
As i said in a previous thread on this same topic, I heavily favor Pavlik in this fight. I'm not even going to "cover" myself and say that i wouldn't be surprised if Sergio pulled something out, because i really don't ever see that happening. I think sergio can make this fight competetive in the early rounds, but his lunging style could really hurt him. If Kelly catches him ONCE when sergio is on the way in, then he's done.
Sergio doesn't have the experience or the footwork to take down kelly. For someone who can't hurt their opponent, he would need to fight on the outside and score, and i can't see that happening for 12 rounds.
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It's going to be extremly uncomfortable watching spazzy mora try and quirk and wiggle his way around pavlik for 10 or 12 rounds, or till pavlik hits him. I'll be honest i don't like mora but i don't hate the guy either i guess the best way to put it is the guy just kinda bugs me anyhow mora will try to repeat some of b-hops tricks but the main problem will be that mora is no hopkins, i just don't see mora hitting pavlik hard enough enough times to do anything but irritate him. And i'd rather pay for my kids to watch the jonas bros than pay for this fight unless it has a killer undercard or second site fight. I just don't see this as a competetive match-up. If i were mora i'd rather have fought taylor back then or now.
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Does Pavlik get too much shit compared to Abraham?
I mean look at Abraham's record on boxrec, its one long underwhelming blah. Dude has fought the who's who of mediocre middleweights and now he's fighting Lajuan Simon. Yay. I know he called out Pavlik but I don't know how interested his promoters are.
Now I know there are extenuating circumstances, as an American with a bigger name Pavlik has the ability to get bigger fights more easily than Abraham, say the Hopkins fight, so he should be fighting better people. Which he has.
Bottom line with Pavlik is unless he takes some kind of control of his career, Arum is gonna feed him a long line of cup cakes and then maybe eventually take a big fight down the road.
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JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
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Rantcatrat
The only thing I don't like about him is his taunting. Other than that, I agree.
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and SEMINOLE FL ??? (
Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and
Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
how the hell can anyone claim this fight will be close
have you lot actually seen sergio and kelly fight??
Pavlik will dismantle, destroy and completely beat up sergio for about 6-7rounds until team mora decides there boy has had enough!!
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
Have you missed the last few weeks? The Sauerland people are desperately trying to make the fight its Arum & Pavlik's people who're ducking it. Abraham wants to make this fight before he can't make 160 anymore as a win will also help his standing when he goes up to 168. I'd be rooting for Pavlik if they fought, but don't act like it ain't Kelly who's dodgin the fight
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CFH
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
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Rantcatrat
The only thing I don't like about him is his taunting. Other than that, I agree.
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and
SEMINOLE FL ??? (
Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and
Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
how the hell can anyone claim this fight will be close
have you lot actually seen sergio and kelly fight??
Pavlik will dismantle, destroy and completely beat up sergio for about 6-7rounds until team mora decides there boy has had enough!!
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
I'm as critical of Abraham's choice of opposition as anyone, but traveling to Miranda's backyard to give him the rematch is nothing to rip on him for. Also, he recently called out Pavlik, I posted the article on here.
As for Mora, I'm one of the few who like him, I'll be cheering for him, but I don't really see any way he beats Pavlik. He showed a good chin against Forrest in the rematch, but I think Pavlik will catch him lunging in and stop him at some point. I just don't see any way Mora can win. He's doesn't have the footwork of Hopkins, nor does he have a solid defense or the power to both Pavlik.
I must have missed it. Seems to me after the Rubio fight Pavlik said "HE WILL FIGHT ANYONE". That hardly seems to me that he is running. He has fought B-Hop and Jermain Taylor IMO much better than Abraham. What the hell would Kelly say no for unless it's for next to nothing in money or to fight in Germany.
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The Fightfan
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JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and SEMINOLE FL ??? (Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
Have you missed the last few weeks? The Sauerland people are desperately trying to make the fight its Arum & Pavlik's people who're ducking it. Abraham wants to make this fight before he can't make 160 anymore as a win will also help his standing when he goes up to 168. I'd be rooting for Pavlik if they fought, but don't act like it ain't Kelly who's dodgin the fight
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The Fightfan
I actually think you have to taunt a little bit in the ring nowadays to get ya fired up. He doesn't belittle fighter's is what I really wanted to say. Shows the utmost respect before and after maybe a little shit talking in the ring but there isn't nothing wrong with that. Also we have a lot of hater's of Pavlik all of a sudden since B-Hop beat him that's the need to put him down and not vice versa.
Why don't most of these people ask why hasn't Abraham fought outside of Germany except for 2 fight's. Switzerland and SEMINOLE FL ??? (Don't get me wrong I am actually in the next few years moving to that exact location Seminole Florida getting a little sick of this weather in Philly I need some sunshine.) Ask why Pavlik doesn't care who he fight's and Abraham hasn't called Pavlik's name. I think their going about this the right way and by the end of the year or this time next year there will be a unification.
Yeah I really can't see anything Mora can do to beat Pavlik
I'm as critical of Abraham's choice of opposition as anyone, but traveling to Miranda's backyard to give him the rematch is nothing to rip on him for. Also, he recently called out Pavlik, I posted the article on here.
As for Mora, I'm one of the few who like him, I'll be cheering for him, but I don't really see any way he beats Pavlik. He showed a good chin against Forrest in the rematch, but I think Pavlik will catch him lunging in and stop him at some point. I just don't see any way Mora can win. He's doesn't have the footwork of Hopkins, nor does he have a solid defense or the power to both Pavlik.
I must have missed it. Seems to me after the Rubio fight Pavlik said "HE WILL FIGHT ANYONE". That hardly seems to me that he is running. He has fought B-Hop and Jermain Taylor IMO much better than Abraham. What the hell would Kelly say no for unless it's for next to nothing in money or to fight in Germany.
I don't think Pavlik would refuse to fight anyone really, but I'm sure Arum wants to make as much money as possible and putting him in with Abraham (a relative unknown in the States) might jeopardize that.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
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As i said in a previous thread on this same topic, I heavily favor Pavlik in this fight. I'm not even going to "cover" myself and say that i wouldn't be surprised if Sergio pulled something out, because i really don't ever see that happening. I think sergio can make this fight competetive in the early rounds, but his lunging style could really hurt him. If Kelly catches him ONCE when sergio is on the way in, then he's done.
Sergio doesn't have the experience or the footwork to take down kelly. For someone who can't hurt their opponent, he would need to fight on the outside and score, and i can't see that happening for 12 rounds.
Sergio does have a good chin and reasonable lateral movement though.
If he chooses to trade Pavlik will mow him down to a late round stoppage, if he fights cute though, Kelly may struggle.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
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Okay, let's get this out of the way, because I know a lot of you will start hating on Sergio, and hoping for his demise.
I heard from Sergio earlier today, and he let me know that he was in Vegas yesterday, and he came to terms with, and signed off on fighting Pavlik at the end of June or July, in Atlantic City.
They are just waiting for Pavlik and his team to sign off on the deal, which will supposedly happen next week.
I'm just really pissed off, because Arum has been saying for weeks that Kelly's next fight will be here in Cleveland, and now the rat b@stard went and changed sites on me. It would have been so perfect for me to have Sergio come here to fight.
I found out afterwards, that Arum is possibly thinking of doing another split site PPV, with the other main event coming out of Mexico. Which sounds to me, that Arum is lining up a fight for Margacheato in Mexico. I'll try to get more on that from Sergio this weekend. I hope that's not true, because I will never support Margacheato ever again, and it sucks that he will be on the same card as Sergio and Pavlik. I'll have a hard time with that one.
Plus, if it's true about it being Margacheato, I think he would be a complete dumbass to thumb his nose at the California Commission. I don't think they would be all too happy to reinstate him if he does. Which actually, might be a good thing, IMO, because I don't think one year is enough for a man who has no regard for the health and safety of another human being.
Obviously, I'm nervous about this fight, yes I'm friends with, and will always support Sergio, but I'm not blind to his limitations. I know he'll never knock Kelly out, but I think his awkward style will give Kelly some problems. Sergio has been wanting this fight for a long time, so I think he just might rise to the occasion, and do a lot better than you guys think he will.
It's a shame that a lot of you guys don't like him, because I know, that if you ever got the chance to talk to him, and get to know him, you would really like him. He really is a very down to earth and humble guy.
So, come on guys, get it out of the way now. :p
I'll have to send an email to Leftylee, and laugh at him, because he can't stand Sergio, and now since he asked Saddo to ban him for 6 weeks, he can't come in here and hate on him. ;D
I've liked Mora since the contender and felt he'd be a world champ one day. Which he did when he fought Vernon Forrest. I knew he'd lose when he came to the rematch overweight though. Im guessing 154 is too small for him to fight consistantly at and yet he seems to be disadvantaged at 160.
So saying all that, the guy seems willing to fight anyone and doesn't ever back down from challenges. Goes from Vernon Forrest to Kelly Pavlik. Takes guts, and there are fighters who get more praise then Mora yet wouldn't take the same kind of risk. So him fighting Pavlik should bring him more respect.
I'm on boat with VD, Mora winning this fight wouldnt surprise me. If he does what Hopkins did and box Pavlik without giving him a chance to set his feet and circling away from the right hand then he could beat him.
Pavlik since winning that title hasn't really been the "Ghost" Pavlik he was when he was coming up. He takes a lot more punches and seems to rely on his power a lot more now, that will be his downfall if he loses to Mora.
It should be a good fight. I'll go with Mora Split Decision in that one, if he can take Pavlik's right hand which he will undoubtably take somewhere in the match.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
Here's a good write-up about this fight, that was written by a friend of mine.
The Boxing Bulletin: The Minority Report: Pavlik vs. Mora
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
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So saying all that, the guy seems willing to fight anyone and doesn't ever back down from challenges. Goes from Vernon Forrest to Kelly Pavlik. Takes guts, and there are fighters who get more praise then Mora yet wouldn't take the same kind of risk. So him fighting Pavlik should bring him more respect.
I agree with the second part of that paragraph, but "doesn't ever back down from challenges"!? Simply not true: remember when he backed out of the Taylor fight?
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
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RP33
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As i said in a previous thread on this same topic, I heavily favor Pavlik in this fight. I'm not even going to "cover" myself and say that i wouldn't be surprised if Sergio pulled something out, because i really don't ever see that happening. I think sergio can make this fight competetive in the early rounds, but his lunging style could really hurt him. If Kelly catches him ONCE when sergio is on the way in, then he's done.
Sergio doesn't have the experience or the footwork to take down kelly. For someone who can't hurt their opponent, he would need to fight on the outside and score, and i can't see that happening for 12 rounds.
Sergio does have a good chin and reasonable lateral movement though.
If he chooses to trade Pavlik will mow him down to a late round stoppage, if he fights cute though, Kelly may struggle.
hmm, okay.. i'll give you that.. Sergio has a "good" chin, considering his opposition.. I totally see Kelly struggling in the early rounds.. As i said the fight will be competitive early because of Sergio's speed. He fights in spurts though, and not that he won't be able to muster up the stamina to fight at Kelly's pace, but i don't see him working 3 min of every round like he will need to. He will make Kelly look flat-footed, and he may drop a few good counters in with his lateral movement, but too much is against him in this fight. If Kelly can take a beating of flush shots from BHOP and still come forward, Sergio will need a bat to stop Kelly. re-iterating my previous post, Sergio doesn't have the experience nor footwork that he needs to win. Bhop laid the blueprint down, but you need to be world class to pull that off again, and i don't put sergio in that category.
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Re: Mora vs Pavlik in June or July
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killersheep
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RP33
Possibly the happiest poster on this forum right now.
As i said in a previous thread on this same topic, I heavily favor Pavlik in this fight. I'm not even going to "cover" myself and say that i wouldn't be surprised if Sergio pulled something out, because i really don't ever see that happening. I think sergio can make this fight competetive in the early rounds, but his lunging style could really hurt him. If Kelly catches him ONCE when sergio is on the way in, then he's done.
Sergio doesn't have the experience or the footwork to take down kelly. For someone who can't hurt their opponent, he would need to fight on the outside and score, and i can't see that happening for 12 rounds.
Sergio does have a good chin and reasonable lateral movement though.
If he chooses to trade Pavlik will mow him down to a late round stoppage, if he fights cute though, Kelly may struggle.
hmm, okay.. i'll give you that.. Sergio has a "good" chin, considering his opposition.. I totally see Kelly struggling in the early rounds.. As i said the fight will be competitive early because of Sergio's speed. He fights in spurts though, and not that he won't be able to muster up the stamina to fight at Kelly's pace, but i don't see him working 3 min of every round like he will need to. He will make Kelly look flat-footed, and he may drop a few good counters in with his lateral movement, but too much is against him in this fight. If Kelly can take a beating of flush shots from BHOP and still come forward, Sergio will need a bat to stop Kelly. re-iterating my previous post, Sergio doesn't have the experience nor footwork that he needs to win. Bhop laid the blueprint down, but you need to be world class to pull that off again, and i don't put sergio in that category.
I fully agree that Mora couldn't hold B-Hops jock strap, I think he presents different issues though style wise. I also think a large part of Mora's game plan is holding we'll have to see how much the ref allows that.