Booing of Britains returning 'heroes' - what's your take on it?

Thoughts anyone?

Is it right to boo?

No, the scum who did it should seriously fuck off. I'm sick of how a few of these idiots keep being allowed to 'represent' British Muslims. I know a lot of Muslims who disagree with the war, but would never even contemplate doing shit like that. It's not these guys fault what the govt chooses to do. Seriously whatever someones feelings on Iraq, that isn't how you treat these guys. Pussyholes.

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Originally Posted by ono

Thoughts anyone?

Is it right to boo?

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Yeah,i just wondering when someone would make a thread about this.Their can leave the country and never come back as far as im concerned!!Its a total piss take shouting abuse like that as our brave brave soilders come back from the harsh times of duty.We owe them everything for the brave job their do protecting our country.All soilders a heroes in my eyes.My older brother serve in the forces and im proud as hell of him.

Im not even going to take anymore notice of these shallow minded preachers anymore.I dont even bother reading it in the paper anymore,their just trying to make names for themselves!

Their can piss off forever:mad:

So your soldiers are getting booed when they come home? That is pretty fucking low.

We still have crazies who boo our soldiers I am sure...we have the dude from some crazy ass Turbo Christian Church who thinks our soldiers are dying because America doesn't have a Constitutional Amendment against gay marraige and they go to soldiers funerals and protest......that guy and his followers are fucking scum

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

Get some soccer hooligans out there to crack heads...I don't think I could I stay composed if I were to witness someone acting like that. I'd end up in prison.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Get some soccer hooligans out there to crack heads...I don't think I could I stay composed if I were to witness someone acting like that. I'd end up in prison.

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And you think people should own guns! :o;D (joke)

Actually, I don't know this story, being out of the loop like I am. But I agree it's tasteless to boo them. It's the government they should be taking to task, not the troops.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

So your soldiers are getting booed when they come home? That is pretty fucking low.

We still have crazies who boo our soldiers I am sure...we have the dude from some crazy ass Turbo Christian Church who thinks our soldiers are dying because America doesn't have a Constitutional Amendment against gay marraige and they go to soldiers funerals and protest......that guy and his followers are fucking scum

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Are you referring to Fred Phelps?

If so, if ever I was to back the owning of firearms leading to one civilian taking out another, Phelps would be the reason and root for the sniper I would.

The parade wasn't necessary in my opinion.

And in a multi-cultural environment you are likely to get opposition against a 'war' that was seemingly unnecessary or questionable at the least.

I can't make my mind up on whether booing the troops is a terrible thing to do or not.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

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Yes that's a great idea, let's institute some Saddam-style punishment to show em :rolleyes:

now now don't go giving Saddam all the credit I'm pretty sure, Hitler/Stalin/Mao/etc would call shooting dissenters for treason their MO

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

now now don't go giving Saddam all the credit I'm pretty sure, Hitler/Stalin/Mao/etc would call shooting dissenters for treason their MO

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True, I admit I was wrong to give ol' Sammy too much credit, he just learnt from other past masters

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

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We're apparently over there to dispell that sort of treatment so we wouldn't be setting a good example now would we ;)

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

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We're apparently over there to dispell that sort of treatment so we wouldn't be setting a good example now would we ;)

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I thought it was about WMD, or perhaps I was misled. :detective:

Or maybe it's the wrong war I'm talking about. :-\

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

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We're apparently over there to dispell that sort of treatment so we wouldn't be setting a good example now would we ;)

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I thought it was about WMD, or perhaps I was misled. :detective:

Or maybe it's the wrong war I'm talking about. :-\

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No you're right it was originally....well apparently although none were found. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq's oil reserves ;D

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Originally Posted by CFH

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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No but nobody is forcing them to join the army either. It's a personal choice. Unfortunately it's clear that a lot of troops are signing up without really understanding what they are getting themselves into.

Granted they shouldn't be abused during the parade but you have to question the credibility behind politicans forcing this 'heroes' mentality on the public.

IMO they know they've fucked up but PR stunts like that and propaganda can at least make it all look like it was necessary :cool:

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ono

We're apparently over there to dispell that sort of treatment so we wouldn't be setting a good example now would we ;)

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I thought it was about WMD, or perhaps I was misled. :detective:

Or maybe it's the wrong war I'm talking about. :-\

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No you're right it was originally....well apparently although none were found. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq's oil reserves ;D

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It was a bullshit war. As a rational thinking human being I would never have gone there if I was in the forces. But then again most of those in the forces are not rational thinking human beings. Allegedly, says miles. :p

Maybe they do need a little booing. But the government gets let off too lightly in any case. It was all a big lie and that should be an immediate vote of no confidence.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by CFH

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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No but nobody is forcing them to join the army either. It's a personal choice. Unfortunately it's clear that a lot of troops are signing up without really understanding what they are getting themselves into.

Granted they shouldn't be abused during the parade but you have to question the credibility behind politicans forcing this 'heroes' mentality on the public.

IMO they know they've fucked up but PR stunts like that and propaganda can at least make it all look like it was necessary :cool:

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Oh, don't get me wrong, I strongly disagree with the notion of soldiers as 'heroes' who are protecting my liberty blah blah blah and all the other bullshit buzz word propaganda slogans they hurl at us.

However, you can't really blame the individual soldiers, regardless of whether or not the joined the army without coersion, they don't make policy.

Do I question why someone would want to dedicate their lives to enforcing the policy of a bunch of rich assholes who spent the vast majority of their time looking out for the interests of other rich assholes? Of course, but the blame for them being in Iraq doesn't lie on their shoulders, that is the fault of the government and the interests they represent.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

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I am happy to stand by what is said earlier , fact is the twats who are booing our troops would be the first to cry for help if we were being attacked by a hostile nation.
Im sick of this nanny state , this politically correctness gone mad , i personally would not stand for this kind of bullshit , and im ashamed that the powers that be cant , or havent got the balls to sort this mess we call Britain out. Im totally sick of mindless religious bigot's , they can all go fuck themselves .

I can't speak to UK soldiers/sailors etc but I can say that there is a myriad of reasons that Americans join the military. Family tradition, money for school, adventure, needs a job etc. Ultimately it is about one thing and that is service to ones country. As its been said service members don't make policy and they don't choose when and where to deploy. They must defer to their nation's leaders and electorate that put those leaders in place. I've spent countless hours and days working in the community. After the hurricanes in Lousianna we spent weeks cleaning up and providing support for the local communities. I am just as proud of these duties as my combat deployments. While some of you may disagree with the concept of your military as a protectorate it doesn't take away from the concept of selfless service that your respective nation's young men and women express by joining something that is bigger than themselves. As a whole they deserve more respect than being heckled upon their return home from a combat zone.

Other normal Muslims need to have the balls to speak out against all the ones that are onside with the militants and the jihad insanity.

Service, a slightly looser term than its real meaning when being paid.
Conscription too, forced 'service' in some cases.:-\

Anyway very ballsy job ,deserves respect for sure, not the reverse.

Fuck the ones pulling all the strings behind both sides of the conflict for their own reasons though.

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners.;) that'll help.


Oh hang on, that is what we do now :D. :-X

you had me going for a minute there Andre ;)

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Originally Posted by Andre

Other normal Muslims need to have the balls to speak out against all the ones that are onside with the militants and the jihad insanity.

Service, a slightly looser term than its real meaning when being paid.
Conscription too, forced 'service' in some cases.:-\

Anyway very ballsy job ,deserves respect for sure, not the reverse.

Fuck the ones pulling all the strings behind both sides of the conflict for their own reasons though.

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners.;) that'll help.


Oh hang on, that is what we do now :D. :-X

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A lot of them do, but I imagine it must get pretty tiring having to explain constantly why they're idiots. I mean you probably would get pretty sick of it if you had to justify why those who started the bushfires were idiots, when all they may share with you is a faith or ethnicity. Also your average Muslim in Britain doesn't generally have the best access to mass media organization. Its not like Ahmed from down the road can exactly march into the BBC & demand a five minute section on the 6 o clock news to say why he doesn't like the moronic jihadists.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by CFH

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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No but nobody is forcing them to join the army either. It's a personal choice. Unfortunately it's clear that a lot of troops are signing up without really understanding what they are getting themselves into.

Granted they shouldn't be abused during the parade but you have to question the credibility behind politicans forcing this 'heroes' mentality on the public.

IMO they know they've fucked up but PR stunts like that and propaganda can at least make it all look like it was necessary :cool:

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Your right, no-one forces us to join up, but as a 20 year old swearing my oath to Queen and country was a big thing and I was proud to do it, as I still am proud to serve my country.

Back then I had no idea about policy/politics although this was before Gulf War 2.

The parade should happen, its a military tradition and its a big moment for loved family members to see all their family and friends back home safely. Whether you think the war is right or wrong, these people should not be abused. Chants of baby killers is just ridiculous and if anyone has done anything wrong then let the law deal with it.

If people have an issue with the war then take it up with the government, they are ones who sanctioned it. These people are happy to live here under our government and rules, if they are so against the war they can go back to these countries and help the people by rebuilding or fighting, whichever they believe will help, rather than abusing British troops and chanting hate

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

you had me going for a minute there Andre ;)

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Sorry, its one of my hobbies bro ;).

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by Andre

Other normal Muslims need to have the balls to speak out against all the ones that are onside with the militants and the jihad insanity.

Service, a slightly looser term than its real meaning when being paid.
Conscription too, forced 'service' in some cases.:-\

Anyway very ballsy job ,deserves respect for sure, not the reverse.

Fuck the ones pulling all the strings behind both sides of the conflict for their own reasons though.

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners.;) that'll help.


Oh hang on, that is what we do now :D. :-X

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A lot of them do, but I imagine it must get pretty tiring having to explain constantly why they're idiots. I mean you probably would get pretty sick of it if you had to justify why those who started the bushfires were idiots, when all they may share with you is a faith or ethnicity. Also your average Muslim in Britain doesn't generally have the best access to mass media organization. Its not like Ahmed from down the road can exactly march into the BBC & demand a five minute section on the 6 o clock news to say why he doesn't like the moronic jihadists.

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True mate ,but I was thinking more of the leaders, Mullahs and the like who have whole groups following their words.
These community leaders from each town from within each Mosque need to have the balls to speak out against the Jihad mentality.
At least some of the dumb ones from on our side wouldn't continue to view all Musliums as a threat then. Also their followers would follow their leaders promt in separating themselves from it and may keep their own children away from the brainwashing that can occur behind the scenes.

Its a tough one, cause they may be targeted themselves if they rise up publicly against the outer wings; Scarey bunch of nutters, :-\ Im not sure what their reach is, I imagine its long and harsh.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

IF you agree with the war or not , the soldiers have risked their lives , anyone who boo's them should be shot for treason.

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I am happy to stand by what is said earlier , fact is the twats who are booing our troops would be the first to cry for help if we were being attacked by a hostile nation.
Im sick of this nanny state , this politically correctness gone mad , i personally would not stand for this kind of bullshit , and im ashamed that the powers that be cant , or havent got the balls to sort this mess we call Britain out. Im totally sick of mindless religious bigot's , they can all go fuck themselves .

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You know that for a fact?

It seems to me a lot of people have fallen for the propaganda which has been put out to group opposers of the war together with Religous extremists in an attempt to define one specific enemy which further strengthens our case for illegally invading another country.

There is a massive difference between religous extremists and those living within this country who strongly appose the war. Booing at a parade which imo is a government PR attempt to strengthen the 'heroes' bandwagon, is the most obvious way to show your dis-appreciation.

Whether it's right or wrong to boo the troops who probably don't even know the reasons behind the invasion is another matter, but we shouldn't act surprised when people publicly oppose it......and we shouldn't act suprised when the media portray these apposers as religous extremists.

All in my opinion of course.

ha..."illegal invasion" ;D Has there ever been a legal invasion? I imagine depending on which side of the invasion you are on you might not describe it as legal. Ono I think your choice of the phrase "Illegal Invasion" is also a attempt by the left wing media to "criminalize" it somehow much like your opinion of the media showing religious extremists.

Do not even give these idiots the energy of thinking about them. They have the freedom to object ad should be thankful for that.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

ha..."illegal invasion" ;D Has there ever been a legal invasion? I imagine depending on which side of the invasion you are on you might not describe it as legal. Ono I think your choice of the phrase "Illegal Invasion" is also a attempt by the left wing media to "criminalize" it somehow much like your opinion of the media showing religious extremists.

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I don't know about that, i don't read any left wing newspapers ;D
Even Richard Perle - former chairman of the DPB (at the time of the invasion he was chairman and he influenced the invasion) admitted that it was illegal...but justified. Of course no WMD's were recovered so it's hard to make a case for it being justified.

Look as everyone knows I am a American soldier who has deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan. Now knowing that the intel on WMD was flat out wrong I too think the invasion was not justified. I just don't understand the phrase of "illegal" in terms of a military invasion of another country. What makes one legal? It just seems a phrase used to paint the national leaders who put it in progress as criminals. Misinformed...Misguided...poor planners...arogant...sure all apply but criminal? In the end a murderous despot was unseated and possibly a democratic non fundamentalist government is formed in the middle of an area strategically important and unfriendly to the western world. The impact this could have is tremendous. Will it succede? Maybe, maybe not. Was it worth the lives spent to get it? Probably not. But I think if it succedes the world is a better place for it. Being the worlds police force is crappy gig though. Damned if you do...Damned if you don't.

Shame on those pachule smelling ,latte sipping hippies.I'm All for free expression and believe it is not only the right of the citizens to stand up and keep the Governments in check...but it is a citizens duty to speak up!!That said,put ones politics aside for one gotdamn minute and understand that these men and women are the same ones waiting behind you at the market....driving along side on the roads.....working some shite job busing your tables where you dine etc.The problem spawns from the shifty politicians with agendas who wrap themselves in the flag.A generation ago.....we had the booing and much worse happen to our returning vets from Vietnam war.My Father & his kid brother.Do not scorn a generation,they are left to shoulder sights and experiences many could never imagine....and hopefully will never have to live!They deserve the utmost respect!

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Originally Posted by CFH

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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You know guys, I also believe that the individual troops have a right to be respected and they are indeed risking their live to serve but I can also see why people boo.

It is every citizens RIGHT and DUTY to question the morality of its government. Just becuase soldiers are brave and loyal people serving our country (actually serving our government) that doesn't follow that the missions and roles they get assigned to are righteous or acceptable.

People who object to the war in Iraq have every right to object to it imo especially in the light of what we now know about fabrication of evidence, the complete absence of the so called WMD etc.

It was a war that was highly controversial all over the world, many nations condemned it outright, even the UN was opposed to the invasion but we and America went and did it anyway.

That's a decision that deserves to be criticised.

Now although I completely agree its not the individual soldiers fault it also annoys me that government hides behind that all the time.

If someone protests against the legitimacy of the war they are lambasted for being unpatriotic and for not supporting our brave men and women serving in these conflicts.

The goverment (both ours and America's) just use their soldiers as a shield to hide behind, trying to divert criticism and popularisng the opinion that to be anti war is to be anti patriotic and anti the individuals who went to war.

I hate this form of kop out that governments routinely do.

I guess the people who booed the returning of our soldiers did so becuase the return of our soldiers was a public event and that booing there will make their booing, and thus opposition to the war a public event also.

If they arn't going to boo the return of the troops and use that publicity to get their message across when else are they? They HAVE to protest at times when the media are there else their protests won't be heard.

Just like the British and US HAD to bomb schools, hospitals etc in Iraq and kill thousands of innocents because they were near to sites of insurgency or enemy military installations.

They were unfortunate victims, casualties of war.

If people opposed to the war boo the return of our soldiers so as to make their voice of opposition heard then I guess that is what they will do.


I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by CFH

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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You know guys, I also believe that the individual troops have a right to be respected and they are indeed risking their live to serve but I can also see why people boo.

It is every citizens RIGHT and DUTY to question the morality of its government. Just becuase soldiers are brave and loyal people serving our country (actually serving our government) that doesn't follow that the missions and roles they get assigned to are righteous or acceptable.

People who object to the war in Iraq have every right to object to it imo especially in the light of what we now know about fabrication of evidence, the complete absence of the so called WMD etc.

It was a war that was highly controversial all over the world, many nations condemned it outright, even the UN was opposed to the invasion but we and America went and did it anyway.

That's a decision that deserves to be criticised.

Now although I completely agree its not the individual soldiers fault it also annoys me that government hides behind that all the time.

If someone protests against the legitimacy of the war they are lambasted for being unpatriotic and for not supporting our brave men and women serving in these conflicts.

The goverment (both ours and America's) just use their soldiers as a shield to hide behind, trying to divert criticism and popularisng the opinion that to be anti war is to be anti patriotic and anti the individuals who went to war.

I hate this form of kop out that governments routinely do.

I guess the people who booed the returning of our soldiers did so becuase the return of our soldiers was a public event and that booing there will make their booing, and thus opposition to the war a public event also.

If they arn't going to boo the return of the troops and use that publicity to get their message across when else are they? They HAVE to protest at times when the media are there else their protests won't be heard.

Just like the British and US HAD to bomb schools, hospitals etc in Iraq and kill thousands of innocents because they were near to sites of insurgency or enemy military installations.

They were unfortunate victims, casualties of war.

If people opposed to the war boo the return of our soldiers so as to make their voice of opposition heard then I guess that is what they will do.


I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

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Great post Bilbo, I owe you a fair bit of rep now

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It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

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I hear lefties say this from time to time. Can you expound on this? Which war crimes? And would the Hague even hear this?

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It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

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I hear lefties say this from time to time. Can you expound on this? Which war crimes? And would the Hague even hear this?

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Well the unprovoked and aggressive occupation and invasion of another country in defiance of the United Nations for starters.

The proven and heavily documented use of torture at Abu Ghraib and other places.

The wilful deception of the American people in presenting demonstrably false 'facts' of weapons of mass destruction and an imaginary threat in order to mobilise support for his plans of Middle East conquest.

The Red Cross has spoken publicly in their belief that he is a war criminal.

Manfred Nowak, the UN's special rapportuer on torture has called Bush a criminal over the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

Even the UN general assembly chief Miguel d'Escoto Brockman said the American military occupation of Iraq needed to probed by the United Nations, as over 1 million deaths have now resulted from this war, meaning Bush has far far far more blood on his hands than Saddam Hussein.

Obama's running mate Joe Biden claimed in 2008 that he and Obama, if elected might investigate and seek prosecution of George Bush and his administration for war crimes.

Even Obama himself said in April 08 that if elected he would ask his attorney general to review the Bush era actions to see if any genuine crimes had been committed.

There is a substantial body of evidence against Bush and it wouldn't suprise me at all if in years to come he is called to account for his actions.

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Originally Posted by CFH

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

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I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

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I hear lefties say this from time to time. Can you expound on this? Which war crimes? And would the Hague even hear this?

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VanChilds you do know that we actually do exactly to the letter what i mentioned in my first post dont you?


You know this one..

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners.;) that'll help.

I was being serious there bro:

there are warrants out in Germany and Southern Europe for the four cia men who used to fly in and out of Spain ,Angola,etc litterally drugging and bagging suspects off the streets and flying them out to Polish and other lawless areas to carry out long interregations.

plane spotters from all over the globe work outside of airports and document all air craft,they have the Usa gov jets filmed with reg numbers etc.going in and out of Spain,on the exact days kidnappings of musluim men (who now just happen to be in Guatanimo bay).
The press got a hold of it and checked out the upper class hotels in Majorca and the cia men had used their own names to check in and out so know who they are.The US is of course saying nothing and wont hand them over to a court.
Its happend to a british muslium; A german business man (use the term lossely) who was into arms dealing. Also a candian national who the Canadian goverment gave to the Usa when asked for him. He was released and also came out with matching dateson flights and illeagal tourture by the states. He sued his own goverment and they lost and had to pay out.
He has an order agaist the Usa but they passed a bill which still has him as a suspect terrorist and wont let him into the country,thus he cant get a case going against them.

Assholes do actually rule the world.;)

When questioned by the press over it all,Bush just shrugged and said something up the lines of "I cant comment, Im not privy to every act that goes on in war.

When they asked the ex head of the cia he shut his eyes and nodded but wouldnt say it out loud though of course.

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Originally Posted by miles

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We're apparently over there to dispell that sort of treatment so we wouldn't be setting a good example now would we ;)

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I thought it was about WMD, or perhaps I was misled. :detective:

Or maybe it's the wrong war I'm talking about. :-\

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No you're right it was originally....well apparently although none were found. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq's oil reserves ;D

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WMDs were a fabrication to try and sway the public but get out of here with that moore esque oil crap ;)

basically what America have tried to do is create a western friendly democratic country in the middle east to try and help stability... the only probably is that Iraq was keeping a lot of the surrounding countrys around it inline and now they are basically unchecked... look at iran etc.