Booing of Britains returning 'heroes' - what's your take on it?

[Kev]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

You know guys, I also believe that the individual troops have a right to be respected and they are indeed risking their live to serve but I can also see why people boo.

It is every citizens RIGHT and DUTY to question the morality of its government. Just becuase soldiers are brave and loyal people serving our country (actually serving our government) that doesn't follow that the missions and roles they get assigned to are righteous or acceptable.

People who object to the war in Iraq have every right to object to it imo especially in the light of what we now know about fabrication of evidence, the complete absence of the so called WMD etc.

It was a war that was highly controversial all over the world, many nations condemned it outright, even the UN was opposed to the invasion but we and America went and did it anyway.

That's a decision that deserves to be criticised.

Now although I completely agree its not the individual soldiers fault it also annoys me that government hides behind that all the time.

If someone protests against the legitimacy of the war they are lambasted for being unpatriotic and for not supporting our brave men and women serving in these conflicts.

The goverment (both ours and America's) just use their soldiers as a shield to hide behind, trying to divert criticism and popularisng the opinion that to be anti war is to be anti patriotic and anti the individuals who went to war.

I hate this form of kop out that governments routinely do.

I guess the people who booed the returning of our soldiers did so becuase the return of our soldiers was a public event and that booing there will make their booing, and thus opposition to the war a public event also.

If they arn't going to boo the return of the troops and use that publicity to get their message across when else are they? They HAVE to protest at times when the media are there else their protests won't be heard.

Just like the British and US HAD to bomb schools, hospitals etc in Iraq and kill thousands of innocents because they were near to sites of insurgency or enemy military installations.

They were unfortunate victims, casualties of war.

If people opposed to the war boo the return of our soldiers so as to make their voice of opposition heard then I guess that is what they will do.


I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

[JazMerkin]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

You know guys, I also believe that the individual troops have a right to be respected and they are indeed risking their live to serve but I can also see why people boo.

It is every citizens RIGHT and DUTY to question the morality of its government. Just becuase soldiers are brave and loyal people serving our country (actually serving our government) that doesn't follow that the missions and roles they get assigned to are righteous or acceptable.

People who object to the war in Iraq have every right to object to it imo especially in the light of what we now know about fabrication of evidence, the complete absence of the so called WMD etc.

It was a war that was highly controversial all over the world, many nations condemned it outright, even the UN was opposed to the invasion but we and America went and did it anyway.

That's a decision that deserves to be criticised.

Now although I completely agree its not the individual soldiers fault it also annoys me that government hides behind that all the time.

If someone protests against the legitimacy of the war they are lambasted for being unpatriotic and for not supporting our brave men and women serving in these conflicts.

The goverment (both ours and America's) just use their soldiers as a shield to hide behind, trying to divert criticism and popularisng the opinion that to be anti war is to be anti patriotic and anti the individuals who went to war.

I hate this form of kop out that governments routinely do.

I guess the people who booed the returning of our soldiers did so becuase the return of our soldiers was a public event and that booing there will make their booing, and thus opposition to the war a public event also.

If they arn't going to boo the return of the troops and use that publicity to get their message across when else are they? They HAVE to protest at times when the media are there else their protests won't be heard.

Just like the British and US HAD to bomb schools, hospitals etc in Iraq and kill thousands of innocents because they were near to sites of insurgency or enemy military installations.

They were unfortunate victims, casualties of war.

If people opposed to the war boo the return of our soldiers so as to make their voice of opposition heard then I guess that is what they will do.


I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

Great post Bilbo, I owe you a fair bit of rep now

[VictorCharlie]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

I hear lefties say this from time to time. Can you expound on this? Which war crimes? And would the Hague even hear this?

[Kev]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

I hear lefties say this from time to time. Can you expound on this? Which war crimes? And would the Hague even hear this?

Well the unprovoked and aggressive occupation and invasion of another country in defiance of the United Nations for starters.

The proven and heavily documented use of torture at Abu Ghraib and other places.

The wilful deception of the American people in presenting demonstrably false 'facts' of weapons of mass destruction and an imaginary threat in order to mobilise support for his plans of Middle East conquest.

The Red Cross has spoken publicly in their belief that he is a war criminal.

Manfred Nowak, the UN's special rapportuer on torture has called Bush a criminal over the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

Even the UN general assembly chief Miguel d'Escoto Brockman said the American military occupation of Iraq needed to probed by the United Nations, as over 1 million deaths have now resulted from this war, meaning Bush has far far far more blood on his hands than Saddam Hussein.

Obama's running mate Joe Biden claimed in 2008 that he and Obama, if elected might investigate and seek prosecution of George Bush and his administration for war crimes.

Even Obama himself said in April 08 that if elected he would ask his attorney general to review the Bush era actions to see if any genuine crimes had been committed.

There is a substantial body of evidence against Bush and it wouldn't suprise me at all if in years to come he is called to account for his actions.

[Andre]

It's just misdirected anger. It's the government they should be mad at, it's not like the troops have any choice in where they go.

I genuinely believe Bush and his cronies are guilty of war crimes far in excess of Tariq Aziz who they are trying right now.

I hear lefties say this from time to time. Can you expound on this? Which war crimes? And would the Hague even hear this?

VanChilds you do know that we actually do exactly to the letter what i mentioned in my first post dont you?


You know this one..

Really what should happen to the booers and protesters is that Mi5 and the cia should be filming them secrectly, finding out who they are, abducting the ring leaders off the streets, flying them out to bases in neutral lawless zones ,torture them for a number of months, get written confessions out them, lock them up in Gwatanimo bay and decide when to deal with them in a closed court session not open to any public law practitioners. that'll help.

I was being serious there bro:

there are warrants out in Germany and Southern Europe for the four cia men who used to fly in and out of Spain ,Angola,etc litterally drugging and bagging suspects off the streets and flying them out to Polish and other lawless areas to carry out long interregations.

plane spotters from all over the globe work outside of airports and document all air craft,they have the Usa gov jets filmed with reg numbers etc.going in and out of Spain,on the exact days kidnappings of musluim men (who now just happen to be in Guatanimo bay).
The press got a hold of it and checked out the upper class hotels in Majorca and the cia men had used their own names to check in and out so know who they are.The US is of course saying nothing and wont hand them over to a court.
Its happend to a british muslium; A german business man (use the term lossely) who was into arms dealing. Also a candian national who the Canadian goverment gave to the Usa when asked for him. He was released and also came out with matching dateson flights and illeagal tourture by the states. He sued his own goverment and they lost and had to pay out.
He has an order agaist the Usa but they passed a bill which still has him as a suspect terrorist and wont let him into the country,thus he cant get a case going against them.

Assholes do actually rule the world.

When questioned by the press over it all,Bush just shrugged and said something up the lines of "I cant comment, Im not privy to every act that goes on in war.

When they asked the ex head of the cia he shut his eyes and nodded but wouldnt say it out loud though of course.

[Andre]

Oh and belive me bro ,Im not against you.

i also know for a fact that if Australia was alone and we didnt have you guys doing your jobs and we wern't allies;then the Indonesian musliums would be comming at us to take us over down here.they out number us about ten to one. And our stupid goverment not only disarmed our public they also melted down all the weapons instead of storing them away in each town!
If we do get invaded or if anarcy breaks out due to massive power failure or earth quakes etc, can you imagine who would rule the streets now that weapons are outlawed; Outlaws will.

Fools: Rule this place too mate they cant think outside the square thats in front of them.