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even though that's nothing new, but he's actually trying to dispute the FACT that DLH is a legit 10 time champion, Oscar was the stand out champion at one point or another in every division he's fought at besides 160, Teddy's hate for certain fighters is seriously annoying :rolleyes:
What was his reasoning?
i guess he just didn't agree with the fact that Oscar is a 10 time championQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
He didn't provide any facts or opinions to back up his assertion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi guess he just didn't agree with the fact that Oscar is a 10 time championQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think he hates Oscar too. He picked Pac to win against Oscar. He said something like "I pick Pac to win simply because DLH just can't win a big fight".
not really it was just a while ago live on ESPN2 FNF when they showed DLH in the crowd, and Tessitore announced him as a 10 time World Champion, Atlas was basically like, that's muddied if anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe didn't provide any facts or opinions to back up his assertion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi guess he just didn't agree with the fact that Oscar is a 10 time championQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I didn't see it, but is it possible he was just referring to the lack of clarity regarding who the real champions are as a result of all the sanctioning bodies etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really it was just a while ago live on ESPN2 FNF when they showed DLH in the crowd, and Tessitore announced him as a 10 time World Champion, Atlas was basically like, that's muddied if anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe didn't provide any facts or opinions to back up his assertion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Teddy Atlas doesn't like DLH? He's the man! :cool:
Teddy Atlas is a jackass who thinks he actually played a role in Tyson's career:rolleyes: all he did was clean Tyson's jockstrap lol, only decent heavy Teddy had was Moorer all i have to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think Ted Atlas is homophobe.
http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/...7/09/oscar.bmp
;D
I quite like Atlas, but at times he definitely has a sense of self-righteousness or assumed superiority. However, it's boxing so I'm pretty sure those traits are rather common.
That's cuz he's not. He held the WBO titles on 2 occasions. Since when does beating Jimmi Bredahl make you a champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi guess he just didn't agree with the fact that Oscar is a 10 time championQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
WBO title counts buddy, if not well you can cut out a bunch of great champions titles, such as two of Barrera's reigns, now 2 of Miguel Cotto's world titles, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's cuz he's not. He held the WBO titles on 2 occasions. Since when does beating Jimmi Bredahl make you a champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi guess he just didn't agree with the fact that Oscar is a 10 time championQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I do. I don't consider beating Michael Jennings for a vacant title enough to be called champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesWBO title counts buddy, if not well you can cut out a bunch of great champions titles, such as two of Barrera's reigns, now 2 of Miguel Cotto's world titles, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's cuz he's not. He held the WBO titles on 2 occasions. Since when does beating Jimmi Bredahl make you a champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I don't feel strongly about Atlas either way really. All I know is that he is good barometer for knowing who not to go with in a fight prediction. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesTeddy Atlas is a jackass who thinks he actually played a role in Tyson's career:rolleyes: all he did was clean Tyson's jockstrap lol, only decent heavy Teddy had was Moorer all i have to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
well Cotto's first championship was also the WBO title at 140, and if you didn't consider him a champion there well you're pretty far off, also using your logic of the WBO title having no credibility Paul Williams should still not be considered a champion, much less a 3 time world champion in 2 divisionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI do. I don't consider beating Michael Jennings for a vacant title enough to be called champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesWBO title counts buddy, if not well you can cut out a bunch of great champions titles, such as two of Barrera's reigns, now 2 of Miguel Cotto's world titles, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
also just throwing this out there i rank Montiel higher than Darchinyan like many do, and the only title Montiel had in that weight class was the WBO, if any world titles should be considered jokes it should be the WBA and IBF
Now that is what I call a poof!! :-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
He looks like that freaky female Gremlin from Gremlins 2....:vd:
The WBO at one time was a 'start me up' trinket.Akin to the USBA-NABF as a stepping stone for relinquishing on the way to the three major trinkets.More letters for the soup.
I didn't see it either, but if this is what he was referring to... then I agree with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
For example, no one should count Oscar's 160-pound belt. Felix Sturm was not a middleweight champ. He had a belt, but he wasn't a champ. Bernard Hopkins was the champion, and Oscar didn't beat him. (You could make the case that Oscar didn't beat Sturm either, but that's a separate discussion).
The whole belt system is a joke, and that's why it's ridiculous when guys refer to themselves as 6 time champs or 7 time champs or 10 time champs or whatever.
You trying to say you never knocked one out over that gremlin? No?:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNow that is what I call a poof!! :-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
He looks like that freaky female Gremlin from Gremlins 2....:vd:
*runs*
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYou trying to say you never knocked one out over that gremlin? No?:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNow that is what I call a poof!! :-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
He looks like that freaky female Gremlin from Gremlins 2....:vd:
*runs*
If the WBO title counts then why is Roy Jones Jr considered the second Light Heavyweight champ to become Heavyweight Champ and not Michael Moorer?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesWBO title counts buddy, if not well you can cut out a bunch of great champions titles, such as two of Barrera's reigns, now 2 of Miguel Cotto's world titles, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's cuz he's not. He held the WBO titles on 2 occasions. Since when does beating Jimmi Bredahl make you a champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
VD is correct. Unless it is for a direct re-match, you should really have to win a fight before fighting for the championship again, Cotto should never have been in a position to fight Jennings. Jennings should be made Champion!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell Cotto's first championship was also the WBO title at 140, and if you didn't consider him a champion there well you're pretty far off, also using your logic of the WBO title having no credibility Paul Williams should still not be considered a champion, much less a 3 time world champion in 2 divisionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI do. I don't consider beating Michael Jennings for a vacant title enough to be called champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
also just throwing this out there i rank Montiel higher than Darchinyan like many do, and the only title Montiel had in that weight class was the WBO, if any world titles should be considered jokes it should be the WBA and IBF
The whole thing is a farce, read the WBA thread etc, and it is really pissing me off that Khan is fighting for a title after never really fighting in the weight, bar one fight against some donkey 3 years ago. How can Khan be fightig for a title when he has never beaten anyone in the top 10 in lightweight or light-welterweight?
Over the WBO? :lolhaha: There pretty bad themselves. But dead men don't move up in the IBF and WBA rankingsQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell Cotto's first championship was also the WBO title at 140, and if you didn't consider him a champion there well you're pretty far off, also using your logic of the WBO title having no credibility Paul Williams should still not be considered a champion, much less a 3 time world champion in 2 divisionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI do. I don't consider beating Michael Jennings for a vacant title enough to be called champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
also just throwing this out there i rank Montiel higher than Darchinyan like many do, and the only title Montiel had in that weight class was the WBO, if any world titles should be considered jokes it should be the WBA and IBF
I lost all confidence in atlas when i saw how he called urango-ngoudjo RBR
Herman was getting out worked almost from the get go to the last bell and atlas despite 3judges and a few million at home who saw a 1sided beat down had a complete lopsided hometown decision for ngoudjo!!!!
Oscar is not a 10 time champion. Atlas is right. Oscar is a 10 time titleist.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Everytime someone wins an alphabet trinket, they are not the champion.
Me too. The 10-8 round he scored when Urango knocked him down twice was obsurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
haha and with you being the other one :pQuote:
Originally Posted by milesI don't feel strongly about Atlas either way really. All I know is that he is good barometer for knowing who not to go with in a fight prediction. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesTeddy Atlas is a jackass who thinks he actually played a role in Tyson's career:rolleyes: all he did was clean Tyson's jockstrap lol, only decent heavy Teddy had was Moorer all i have to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Back on topic, good on Teddy Atlas, Oscar ain't no 10 weight world champ, he may have picked up a lot of trinket belts a few of them don't count as meaning much.
In fact I can't even see the reason for the thread as countless posters on here over the years have criticised whether he's a 10 titles champ, a 6 weight world champ, whether he's beaten an all time great in their prime etc.
Atlas was merely voicing the opinion of many.
Oscar at one point and time was considered #1 at each of the following weight classes, Jr. Lightweight, Lightweight, Jr. Welterweight, Welterweight, Jr. Middleweight, FACT, only division that he was never considered champion would be Middleweight and there is no disputing that fact, hell he was even the Unified Champion at 154, don't get confused with Undisputed cause i'm not saying that he was, but he was considered the man to beat at 154, until he was robbed against Mosley in the 2nd fight, then Wright went on to whoop Mosley twice and become the UNDISPUTED JR. Middleweight champ, DLH/Wright should of happened, and it's a damn shame it never did, a real pick em fight and i think it would have been very competitive
Same reason I cant give Lennox Lewis as much credit for being undisputed because both his title reigns started by fighting for a vacant title:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Holyfield had to gather the titles for Lewis to only scrape a draw then get awarded a sympathy win in the rematch because he didnt earn it on merit.
WBO is pretty legit belt imo. There are fighters that we call "real champion" and "paper champ". I guess it all depends on which fighter holding it.
Whether the wbo is a title or not, there De La Hoya still isn't even a 10x titleist; let alone 10 time champion. Look at his record
Oscar De La Hoya
Teddy Atlas was right to call bull shit.
#1 Jimmy Bredahl, WBO Jr. LightweightQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
#2 Jorge Paez, WBO Lightweight
#3 Rafael Ruelas, IBF Lightweight (unified WBO/IBF)
#4 Julio Cesar Chavez, WBC Jr. Welterweight
#5 Pernell Whitaker, WBC Welterweight
#6 WBC Welterweight (he was re-instated as the WBC before the 1st Mosley fight, it's bullshit but it happened)
#7 Javier Castillejo, WBC Jr.Middleweight
#8 Fernando Vargas, WBA Jr. Middleweight (unified WBC/WBA)
#9 Felix Sturm, WBO Middleweight (bullshit but so many others have bullshit titles as well)
#10 Ricardo Mayorga, WBC Jr. Middleweight
He was already the WBO light weight champion, you cant count that has a new title reign. Otherwise, that would have made Mike Tyson a 3 time heavyweight champion by the time he was 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales#1 Jimmy Bredahl, WBO Jr. LightweightQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
#2 Jorge Paez, WBO Lightweight
#3 Rafael Ruelas, IBF Lightweight (unified WBO/IBF)
What? how is that supposed to count as a different title reign?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Once again, counting unification as 2 different title reigns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
If anything this thread has given me more respect for Teddy Atlas, for calling bull shit when he sees bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I agree 100% LanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance UppercutHe was already the WBO light weight champion, you cant count that has a new title reign. Otherwise, that would have made Mike Tyson a 3 time heavyweight champion by the time he was 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales#1 Jimmy Bredahl, WBO Jr. LightweightQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
#2 Jorge Paez, WBO Lightweight
#3 Rafael Ruelas, IBF Lightweight (unified WBO/IBF)
What? how is that supposed to count as a different title reign?
Once again, counting unification as 2 different title reigns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
If anything this thread has given me more respect for Teddy Atlas, for calling bull shit when he sees bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Who cares how many alphabet titles a fighter collects? "Won-loss" records are a better measuring stick. Especially when you factor in "quality of opponents" and where those opponents were in their careers when they faced the fighter.