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So much for Mayweather-Marquez
Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight - Boxing News
Mayweather's team has been negotiating with GBP to make the fight. Floyd wants the fight to take place at the 147 limit. But JMM feels anything above 140 will put him at a huge disadvantage.
JMM's camp has no interest in fighting Valero, and they also told the media that JMM could end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 if they can't finalize a fight with Mayweather.
WTF?:confused:
He might end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 in near future?
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Killa From Manila
Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight - Boxing News
Mayweather's team has been negotiating with GBP to make the fight. Floyd wants the fight to take place at the 147 limit. But JMM feels anything above 140 will put him at a huge disadvantage.
JMM's camp has no interest in fighting Valero, and they also told the media that JMM could end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 if they can't finalize a fight with Mayweather.
WTF?:confused:
He might end up fighting Erik Morales at 140 in near future?
Floyd is such a punk.
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money
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Violent Demise
Smart move by Marquez.
Yup, so now who is Floyd going to fight?
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
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Violent Demise
Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money
Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
hopefully it will happen n be shown on british tv
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
It all comes down to how bad Marquez wants it.. I mean pac man did the same for the DLH fight, it shows he's committed to being the best. Mayweather is the one in the driving seat, if he wants to fight at 140 or 200 pounds it's all down to him.
Just my opinion. :p
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Violent Demise
Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money
Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up
There were a lot of advantages in Floyds favour, not just the weight the fight was at.
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
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Kel
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JazMerkin
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Violent Demise
Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money
Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up
There were a lot of advantages in Floyds favour, not just the weight the fight was at.
Yeah, of course Hatton had it all against him :rolleyes:
The weight argument was bollocks and only came up after the fight to try and find some excuses for Ricky. He may not be a natural welterweight, but he was also not fighting a natural welterweight, if anything Hatton is a naturally bigger more muscled fighter than Mayweather.
Cortez wasn't great for Ricky, but he was a lot better than Parris was for Tszyu, although of course there was obviously the advantage in Floyd's favour that he is an infinitely more talented fighter than Hatton could ever be ;D
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JazMerkin
The weight argument was bollocks and only came up after the fight to try and find some excuses for Ricky. He may not be a natural welterweight, but he was also not fighting a natural welterweight, if anything Hatton is a naturally bigger more muscled fighter than Mayweather.
Had to rep you for this, because (and no offense to British fans, I know they love their boxing) I have NEVER heard a British fan admit this before.
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Hopefully this does not come off.I dont think Marquez belongs any where near 140 and above.He s coming off a number of serious hard battles turning back the clock.Hes entering his twilight and has but a couple of great ones left in him.Floyd's been sitting on the shelf sulking,rested and well fed.I dont think Marquez needs him financially or physically.
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I can understand why Floyd wouldn't want to go below 147, and I can understand why Marquez doesn't want to go above 140. I've always been skeptical of this fight actually happening, because both guys have legit reasons to not want the fight, and they can both find other opponents.
Marquez-Morales is something I have no interest in. Morales is completely shot, and beating him proves nothing for Marquez. Also, if you've seen pictures of Morales recently, you know that he'd have to lose about 50-60 pounds to make 140. He's been on the Fernando Vargas exercise plan.
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Mayweather's a smart dude. He knows he's been out of the spotlight for too long. P4P lists have left him behind. So he's making noise about a comeback to stir the waters, and get his fans all riled up again. In the end, he'll slink back into retirement.
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
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TitoFan
Mayweather's a smart dude. He knows he's been out of the spotlight for too long. P4P lists have left him behind. So he's making noise about a comeback to stir the waters, and get his fans all riled up again. In the end, he'll slink back into retirement.
Yet bar Pac, Hatton & Cotto he probably continues to generate more threads, debates & news articles than almost any active fighters apart from the aforementioned.
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SweetPea
I can understand why Floyd wouldn't want to go below 147, and I can understand why Marquez doesn't want to go above 140. I've always been skeptical of this fight actually happening, because both guys have legit reasons to not want the fight, and they can both find other opponents.
Marquez-Morales is something I have no interest in. Morales is completely shot, and beating him proves nothing for Marquez. Also, if you've seen pictures of Morales recently, you know that he'd have to lose about 50-60 pounds to make 140. He's been on the Fernando Vargas exercise plan.
not so much 50-60 anymore :( he's already been getting back into shape and i mean good for him, as long as it wasn't preparing to go back into the ring to fight :-\ don't see any reason for this fight to happen
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TitoFan
Mayweather's a smart dude. He knows he's been out of the spotlight for too long. P4P lists have left him behind. So he's making noise about a comeback to stir the waters, and get his fans all riled up again. In the end, he'll slink back into retirement.
Early on I thought he was just blowing smoke about coming back,but he's starting to pop up all over the tube here.They just aired a AT&T commercial for the desk tops and there he is.Its a spoof,hes in the ring with gloves,trunks and looks cut to shreds trying to use a keyboard wearing gloves.He still cant act though lol.Its like hes trying to get his name/face out.
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It's typical of Floyd to be such a pussy... I mean, I used to have such respect for him and believed that someone as good as him would not avoid fighting anyone, because he's good enough to beat anyone.... That very well may be, but it IS becoming more and more clear to me that even if he COULD beat true class fighters and a challenging weight for him, he WON'T..
He should be looking at TRUE 147 pound fighters.. EVEN looking at 154 pound fighters who may come down or fight at a catch weight..
If he wants to show he's the best and go out with a bang, do that.. Not try to find the smallest champ you can to fight... It's pussy style...
And someone can say "why does he have to prove himself again" just like was said over and over and over with Calzaghe.... The point is, he's a great champ, but right now Floyd is chasing piss weak fights...
I hope Marquez fights at 147 so Mayweather has all the advantage, then he ducks down and punches mayweather in his hair muff and sends him home crying...
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
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JazMerkin
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TitoFan
Mayweather's a smart dude. He knows he's been out of the spotlight for too long. P4P lists have left him behind. So he's making noise about a comeback to stir the waters, and get his fans all riled up again. In the end, he'll slink back into retirement.
Yet bar Pac, Hatton & Cotto he probably continues to generate more threads, debates & news articles than almost any active fighters apart from the aforementioned.
True enough, a fact he's well aware of and plays like a violin.
;)
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Just wrote a really long and detailed post with pictures and I got an error on submit and firefox shut down (never had firefox do that before)
In short...........
Hatton had no advantage at all in the fight. Everything was in Floyds favour. Cortez....watch the Hatton Castillo fight, they clinch, fight on the inside and he allows Hatton to do what he does.
In the Floyd fight, as soon as Hatton gets near "NOOOO RICKY LET GO"
and "DONT HIT HIM WHEN HE DUCKS LIKE THAT"
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TitoFan
Mayweather's a smart dude. He knows he's been out of the spotlight for too long. P4P lists have left him behind. So he's making noise about a comeback to stir the waters, and get his fans all riled up again. In the end, he'll slink back into retirement.
Early on I thought he was just blowing smoke about coming back,but he's starting to pop up all over the tube here.They just aired a AT&T commercial for the desk tops and there he is.Its a spoof,hes in the ring with gloves,trunks and looks cut to shreds trying to use a keyboard wearing gloves.He still cant act though lol.Its like hes trying to get his name/face out.
Ego.
That 3-letter word all great fighters suffer from. He's trying to get his name/face out alright. But will he "walk the walk" when it comes to facing the best out there at 147? (I doubt he'll fight either at 140 or at 154).
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
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TitoFan
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Mayweather's a smart dude. He knows he's been out of the spotlight for too long. P4P lists have left him behind. So he's making noise about a comeback to stir the waters, and get his fans all riled up again. In the end, he'll slink back into retirement.
Early on I thought he was just blowing smoke about coming back,but he's starting to pop up all over the tube here.They just aired a AT&T commercial for the desk tops and there he is.Its a spoof,hes in the ring with gloves,trunks and looks cut to shreds trying to use a keyboard wearing gloves.He still cant act though lol.Its like hes trying to get his name/face out.
Ego.
That 3-letter word all great fighters suffer from. He's trying to get his name/face out alright. But will he "walk the walk" when it comes to facing the best out there at 147? (I doubt he'll fight either at 140 or at 154).
The mans ego over takes his skillset most of the time.Loud,brash and a yearning for the spot light.If he cant get it in the ring,or chooses not to,maybe he'll give Vince McMahon at the WWE another call.
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
to the people giving Floyd beef about him wanting the fight at 147 let me ask this. Do you think Marquez would have any bigger chance at 140 against Floyd?
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
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TitoFan
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Early on I thought he was just blowing smoke about coming back,but he's starting to pop up all over the tube here.They just aired a AT&T commercial for the desk tops and there he is.Its a spoof,hes in the ring with gloves,trunks and looks cut to shreds trying to use a keyboard wearing gloves.He still cant act though lol.Its like hes trying to get his name/face out.
Ego.
That 3-letter word all great fighters suffer from. He's trying to get his name/face out alright. But will he "walk the walk" when it comes to facing the best out there at 147? (I doubt he'll fight either at 140 or at 154).
The mans ego over takes his skillset most of the time.Loud,brash and a yearning for the spot light.If he cant get it in the ring,or chooses not to,maybe he'll give Vince McMahon at the WWE another call.
LOL.... I forgot he'd done that. So the man's got options. He also did a stint on Dancing with the Stars. Maybe he'll try acting or singing next. Point is... I'm not entirely convinced he's willing to come back and take on the Cottos, Mosleys, or Williamses of the division.
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Kel
Just wrote a really long and detailed post with pictures and I got an error on submit and firefox shut down (never had firefox do that before)
In short...........
Hatton had no advantage at all in the fight. Everything was in Floyds favour. Cortez....watch the Hatton Castillo fight, they clinch, fight on the inside and he allows Hatton to do what he does.
In the Floyd fight, as soon as Hatton gets near "NOOOO RICKY LET GO"
and "DONT HIT HIM WHEN HE DUCKS LIKE THAT"
I guess I'd have to see the long detailed post because all those points are answered in my post. Hatton had to deal with that partly because Brit fans pissed Cortez off by booing the US anthem. All fighters get the breaks on one occasion & not on others. Hatton did not lose because of Cortez, he lost because he was the the inferior fighter.
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Anyone who uses weight as an excuse to fight Mayweather fooling themselves, when has Mayweather ever used his size to bully someone around physically? Marquez knows that he can't beat Floyd thats why he won't fight him, not because of the weight. Floyd is too technical minded and fast to resort to rough housing a win ala Hopkins. Just like Hopkins out boxed Oscar as the fight progressed Mayweather would use speed and skill not size to beat Marquez.
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JazMerkin
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Kel
Just wrote a really long and detailed post with pictures and I got an error on submit and firefox shut down (never had firefox do that before)
In short...........
Hatton had no advantage at all in the fight. Everything was in Floyds favour. Cortez....watch the Hatton Castillo fight, they clinch, fight on the inside and he allows Hatton to do what he does.
In the Floyd fight, as soon as Hatton gets near "NOOOO RICKY LET GO"
and "DONT HIT HIM WHEN HE DUCKS LIKE THAT"
I guess I'd have to see the long detailed post because all those points are answered in my post. Hatton had to deal with that partly because Brit fans pissed Cortez off by booing the US anthem. All fighters get the breaks on one occasion & not on others. Hatton did not lose because of Cortez, he lost because he was the the inferior fighter.
If a booing crowd can change how a referee does their job........they should not be a referee should they?
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Kel
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JazMerkin
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Violent Demise
Smart move by Marquez. He ain't going to sell his soul and put himself at a disadvantage like Hatton did just for money
Hatton is no smaller than PBF naturally. The fact this comes from Beristain makes it suspect. I reckon the fight still gets made at like 143 or something. But JMM hopefully will be smart & not simply be Floyd's tune-up
There were a lot of advantages in Floyds favour, not just the weight the fight was at.
The size helps Hatton if anything PBF's footwork has slown down moving up 17 pounds way more than Ricky's has moving up 7. Look at Mayweather at 140, he was way faster than he was at 147, he would have killed Hatton IMO at 140.
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Kel
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JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
Kel
Just wrote a really long and detailed post with pictures and I got an error on submit and firefox shut down (never had firefox do that before)
In short...........
Hatton had no advantage at all in the fight. Everything was in Floyds favour. Cortez....watch the Hatton Castillo fight, they clinch, fight on the inside and he allows Hatton to do what he does.
In the Floyd fight, as soon as Hatton gets near "NOOOO RICKY LET GO"
and "DONT HIT HIM WHEN HE DUCKS LIKE THAT"
I guess I'd have to see the long detailed post because all those points are answered in my post. Hatton had to deal with that partly because Brit fans pissed Cortez off by booing the US anthem. All fighters get the breaks on one occasion & not on others. Hatton did not lose because of Cortez, he lost because he was the the inferior fighter.
If a booing crowd can change how a referee does their job........they should not be a referee should they?
I never said he was a good ref (although he was actually alright last night) he's been pretty shit in the last few years. But blaming Cortez/the weight/Billy Graham has seemed to be Hatton & his fans way of trying to rationalize the loss. Cortez was bad, but he didn't cost Ricky the fight, this was not a Soto-Lorenzo or a Bute-Andrade job
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JazMerkin
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Kel
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JazMerkin
I guess I'd have to see the long detailed post because all those points are answered in my post. Hatton had to deal with that partly because Brit fans pissed Cortez off by booing the US anthem. All fighters get the breaks on one occasion & not on others. Hatton did not lose because of Cortez, he lost because he was the the inferior fighter.
If a booing crowd can change how a referee does their job........they should not be a referee should they?
I never said he was a good ref (although he was actually alright last night) he's been pretty shit in the last few years. But blaming Cortez/the weight/Billy Graham has seemed to be Hatton & his fans way of trying to rationalize the loss. Cortez was bad, but he didn't cost Ricky the fight, this was not a Soto-Lorenzo or a Bute-Andrade job
I'm a Hatton fan, I won't try to convince you Hatton is the better fighter, he just never got the chance to fight his fight. Not one bit
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Kel
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JazMerkin
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Kel
If a booing crowd can change how a referee does their job........they should not be a referee should they?
I never said he was a good ref (although he was actually alright last night) he's been pretty shit in the last few years. But blaming Cortez/the weight/Billy Graham has seemed to be Hatton & his fans way of trying to rationalize the loss. Cortez was bad, but he didn't cost Ricky the fight, this was not a Soto-Lorenzo or a Bute-Andrade job
I'm a Hatton fan, I won't try to convince you Hatton is the better fighter, he just never got the chance to fight his fight. Not one bit
The problem for him was that when he was on the inside, by Hatton's own admission, Mayweather was better than him. Yes, if he's allowed to shove his head in Mayweather's face, maybe he could butt him and win, but quite frankly Ricky just isn't good enough to beat Mayweather. I'm hoping he's good enough to do it against Pacquiao as I've spent a load goin out to see him, but as tough as he is, he is too technically limited against a fighter like PBF or probably Mosley. Pacquiao isn't as technically smart, so I think Ricky can find a way maybe. Oh wait, I don't wanna talk about that fight, I can almost see SaddoBoxer hearing his PacquiaoAlert going off ;)
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Kel
Just wrote a really long and detailed post with pictures and I got an error on submit and firefox shut down (never had firefox do that before)
In short...........
Hatton had no advantage at all in the fight. Everything was in Floyds favour. Cortez....watch the Hatton Castillo fight, they clinch, fight on the inside and he allows Hatton to do what he does.
In the Floyd fight, as soon as Hatton gets near "NOOOO RICKY LET GO"
and "DONT HIT HIM WHEN HE DUCKS LIKE THAT"
That's cuz all Hatton cared about was the money. He sold his soul to fight Mayweather. Anything Mayweather wanted he got. All Hatton cared about was the money
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Hatton didn't sell his soul to fight Mayweather, and the fight was closer to Hatton's natural weight class than Mayweather's natural weight class, people act like Mayweaher is a natural welterweight, then why does he come in like 2 pounds over the limit for a fight? The fact is Mayweather weight less than Hatton coming into the ring when they fought.
Mayweather wasn't complaining when he moved up to 154 to fight Oscar or when he faced Baldomir who was 13 pounds heavier than him in the ring. He didn't force Judah to come back down to 140 to fight him. His whole career he has been moving up to face new challenges.
Once again how does Mayweather size except his height give him any advantage over Marquez given his style, and given how they would match up. It would be a fight foughten on the outside where Marquez staying small might actually help him.
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Taeth
Hatton didn't sell his soul to fight Mayweather, and the fight was closer to Hatton's natural weight class than Mayweather's natural weight class, people act like Mayweaher is a natural welterweight, then why does he come in like 2 pounds over the limit for a fight? The fact is Mayweather weight less than Hatton coming into the ring when they fought.
Mayweather wasn't complaining when he moved up to 154 to fight Oscar or when he faced Baldomir who was 13 pounds heavier than him in the ring. He didn't force Judah to come back down to 140 to fight him. His whole career he has been moving up to face new challenges.
Once again how does Mayweather size except his height give him any advantage over Marquez given his style, and given how they would match up. It would be a fight foughten on the outside where Marquez staying small might actually help him.
Your missing the point. I'm not saying Mayweather had a bigger size advantage. Not that it matters cuz Mayweather spears Hatton into the ring post at any weight. The point is Hatton gave Mayweather everything he wanted cuz he just wanted the money. If Floyd would of wanted Roger Mayweather as the referee I'm sure Hatton would say no. But let Floyd throw in an extra half mill and Roger is trying on his zebra shirt.
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So Marquez not selling out to fight Mayweather or is he afraid to face Mayweather and using excuses? What I am saying is if Marquez doesn't want to fight Mayweather because its an obvious mismatch thats valid to me, but to use size and shit when Mayweather fights the way he does IMO is weak. Mayweather is getting heat for fighting smaller guys, but he also fought bigger guys like Corrales, Ndou, Castillo, Gatti, ODLH, Baldomir, even Zab Judah, besides Judah a lot of these guys had significant weight advantages usually over 8 pounds difference.
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So Marquez not selling out to fight Mayweather or is he afraid to face Mayweather and using excuses? What I am saying is if Marquez doesn't want to fight Mayweather because its an obvious mismatch thats valid to me, but to use size and shit when Mayweather fights the way he does IMO is weak. Mayweather is getting heat for fighting smaller guys, but he also fought bigger guys like Corrales, Ndou, Castillo, Gatti, ODLH, Baldomir, even Zab Judah, besides Judah a lot of these guys had significant weight advantages usually over 8 pounds difference.
Marquez ain't asking him to come to 135. Marquez will be moving up in weight. What you think just cuz he's Floyd Mayweather he should call all the shots?
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Marquez shouldn't go above 140 It would be reckless and he would lose. He gives up everything by doing that at his age. If Floyd wants the fight then work down to 140, or else don't take the fight.
I disagree with the arguments that Mayweather is smaller than Hatton. He might have been so several years ago, but not now and not for a good while. If that was the case then why not take the Hatton fight at 140? Floyd has grown into the weight and fought there for about 4 years. Hatton has popped up there fleetingly and decided the best way to train for the weight was to eat some sausages. I have no doubts that Floyd is the bigger man there.
Mayweather should bugger off and make a fight with Cotto or Mosley, stop with cherry picking and fighting smaller men. It bores me TBH and his style is hardly endearing these days anyway.
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Violent Demise
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Kel
Just wrote a really long and detailed post with pictures and I got an error on submit and firefox shut down (never had firefox do that before)
In short...........
Hatton had no advantage at all in the fight. Everything was in Floyds favour. Cortez....watch the Hatton Castillo fight, they clinch, fight on the inside and he allows Hatton to do what he does.
In the Floyd fight, as soon as Hatton gets near "NOOOO RICKY LET GO"
and "DONT HIT HIM WHEN HE DUCKS LIKE THAT"
That's cuz all Hatton cared about was the money. He sold his soul to fight Mayweather. Anything Mayweather wanted he got. All Hatton cared about was the money
A bit over the top, but I agree with that to an extent. Hatton shouldn't have gone to 147, but in his head he was unbeatable. The Collazo fight should have been a lesson learned. Hindsight is always a mans friend, I guess. :-\
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Taeth
So Marquez not selling out to fight Mayweather or is he afraid to face Mayweather and using excuses? What I am saying is if Marquez doesn't want to fight Mayweather because its an obvious mismatch thats valid to me, but to use size and shit when Mayweather fights the way he does IMO is weak. Mayweather is getting heat for fighting smaller guys, but he also fought bigger guys like Corrales, Ndou, Castillo, Gatti, ODLH, Baldomir, even Zab Judah, besides Judah a lot of these guys had significant weight advantages usually over 8 pounds difference.
Marquez ain't asking him to come to 135. Marquez will be moving up in weight. What you think just cuz he's Floyd Mayweather he should call all the shots?
Not for the same reason you think. I am saying Oscar wanted Hopkins so he moved up to middleweight to fight him as did Trinidad. Duran moved up to face Leonard who along with Hearns moved up to face Hagler.
Having the weight at 147 is hardly giving Mayweather all the advantages, I guarantee in Las Vegas there would be way more mexican supporters than Mayweather ones. When was the last time Mayweather had the crowd behind him? That is a huge advantage and it always goes the other way. Mayweather moved up in weight to secure his legacy. Retired or not Mayweather is still considered by most the best fighter in the world, he's the biggest draw should Oscar retire. My question is what does Marquez have to lose fighting a fight he is expected to lose? Its like Pacquiao facing Oscar De La Hoya. Mayweather is the one putting everything on the line. He's coming out of over a year and half of inactivity, he hasn't looked super great the last time he took a hig break (against Augustus). Mayweather is the one the cameras are following, he's the one that is selling this fight to almost every non-mexican and/or non-avid fan.
Also Hatton didn't fight Mayweather because he wanted a payday, with his style, he truly believed he could beat Mayweather, you could see it in his eyes and how he trained, and how he fought. He didn't fight like a beaten man that night, but a guy who walked through a lot of hard shots and kept coming with everything he had. That was the most focused he had been since Tszyu, but he was fighting Floyd who is so good anywhere in the ring.
You guys can lie all you want about why Marquez is backing out of this, but its because he doesn't want to look very bad. His style as shown by Morales-Raheem just isn't suited to face a slick, speedy boxer like Mayweather.
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Re: So much for Mayweather-Marquez
Now that PBF seems interested in having JMM as a tune-up fight then JMM should at least make some compromise in the catchweight in which they will meet since JMM was originally the one calling out PBF...
I think 143/144 lbs. is the most logical catchweight...
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Shame on Mayweather's camp for trying to make it happen at 147. It's their way of avoiding Cotto again. I guess something's never change.
