*Discussion: Carl Froch - Jermain Taylor 25/4*

With just over a week to go to this fight I think we need an offical poll and really sort out who we think is going to win the fight. We should also post all of the important infomation into this thread so we can keep a good progress on how the fight is going to go.

Firstly, how this fight isnt on UK tele is an absoulte joke. This fight has potential fight of the year written all over it and with both fighters having a lot to prove I dont understand all of this TV BS. It's a great shame that the fight isnt going to be aired for us and we will have to watch a stream, but there is no point moaning I think we just have to get on with it.

For the fight itself, this is going to be a cracker! Two of the finest 168 fighters putting it all on the line to prove whos the best. For Carls first defence I give him great respect travelling to the USA to fight one of the top fighters. Not a lot of fighters would do that on their first defence especailly against such a dangerous fighter in Jermain Taylor.


The fight :

Carl Froch: 24 (19 kos) - 0

For Carl Froch this will truelly be a great test which will show if he really does have what it takes to hang with the best at 168. This fight will be Carl's toughest test to do and he knows that, I feel this fight will be a lot harder than the Pascal test but Carl has the capbilites to do it IMO. With Carl being a natural 168 fighter, I know that hes not going to take a backwards step on the fight. Pressure fighting is what hes good at, I persoanlly think Jermain Taylor doesnt like fighters who dont stop moving.

For Carl to win this fight, he has to fight every round with a high punch tempo and work Taylor down. Carl Froch has some hurtful punches and with a sustained attack I believe that his power levels will be too much for Taylor. From what I have seen from Taylor in his last performances is that he does get sloppy at times, when he is in his game his is a deadly fighter but I dont see him doing it for the full 12 rounds.

A problem which Carl does have is his defence and he does need to adress this problem. If he gets hit with silly punches all night I am the first one to admit that he will lose a UD if Taylor boxes. But I dont think it's Jermain Taylors nature to simply try and outbox a fighter for 12 rounds because he knows that he doesnt have the stamina to do it. Taylors best rounds will be early and if Carl can get through them I believe that Carl can stop him late. If Taylor tries to toe on toe fight With Carl I think Carl will stop him. With Carl being such a strong 168 fighter I believe he packs more of a punch that Pavlik and we will see a similar fight to JT-Pavlik 1.

Jermain Taylor: 28 (17 kos) - 2 - 1

Jermain Taylor I believe does have the capabilites to beat Carl Froch in this fight and I will not deny that fact. He has great strengths in a very fast boxing style rugged with power which does cause a lot of fighters problems. Prior to his two losses to Pavlik, I believe we were seeing a declining fighter in Taylor who did have a lot of trouble with Wright, Ouma and Spinks. Although those fighters are all genuine quality fighters I believe with a man who beat the legend Hopkins twice we should have seen a lot more. After a stronger performance against Jeff Lacy I did see an improved fighter, a lot more confident. Lets bear in mind though that Jeff Lacy is ruined though and Carl Froch would smash him everywhere.

Now Taylor has a very tough test in Carl Froch where we are going to see if Jermain really does have what it takes to again be a top leveled fighter. After his two losses to Pavlik I do admit going up to 168 was a good move. Stamina issues have been adressed and this is where he lost the fight to Pavlik IMO. With him not having enough in the tank, his punch resistance wasnt as strong and he was being hurt by punches. If this issue does continue at 168 I believe hes going to find problems at this weight class with so many stronger fighters than at 160 can he take that much power applied with pressure? I think fighting Carl Froch was the best fight Taylor could have taken in my opinion because it can be complete success or back to square one again.

If the move to 168 has improved his stamina in line with his natural stength with him not being as pressured to fight to a weight I believe we can have a great champion in Jermain Taylor. Im really curious to see how much the losses to Pavlik have hurt the confidence of the former champion because they are two big losses to get over.

If Taylor can box Carl Froch for 12 solid rounds without feeling the pressures of Carl Froch he can win a solid UD here. But I dont see him doing this for 12 rounds. As I said before it's not in Taylors nature to put on a display of boxing IMO for 12 rounds. Hes shown in recent performances that he wants to engage fully and this is where I think he will lose the fight.

With his speed, he has to use it effectively enough to not be pressured enough, but one of Carl Frochs most underratted assets is his footwork with forwards and backwards fighting. Taylor will have to put on one of the best perfomances of his career in this fight to put his name back on the shelf as the best and he does have the capability to do it.








My personal take on the fight is that carl will be too much for Taylor and stop him late. It will be a very very very enjoyable fight but Im backing Carl Froch to prove that he is the best fighter at 168 and set up a cracker with Mikkel Kessler late 09. Im interested to hear your views on the fight and please post them. I will post as many links as I can find for the fight and I am so excited for it to happen.


COME ON FROCHY MY BOY LETS DO HIM SON ;D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

enough respect for Carl going over to the lions den......I think Carl will make a statement and I do believe Taylor is made for him. I see Carl having too much of every thing and stopping Taylor in 9 rounds.

Job Biscuit (Fair play to both)!!!



eh eh!!

Do you know what, I have absolutely no idea how this fight is going to go - I really have no clue or opinion :-\

P.S - Nice work on the thread Tam

I think Taylor's turn and jab is going to make a long night for the Cobra, and a wide one on the cards in Taylors favor.

Taylor, I want to say he handles him with ease but Taylor doesn't do that to anybody. I guess the closest thing would be Lacy but obviously Lacy's just gone off the deep end.

I'll take Taylor by KO

Taylor UD, but I'll be cheering for Froch on the night.

Unless it's obvious he's out of his depth after a couple of rounds, in which case I'll be laughing at him.

Cobra shall go forth and vanquish all before him .
Taylor is a a chapter in the tale of the greatest british fighter ever to leave these shores and fly the flag of the mighty St George .

Froch vs Taylor - I find it hard to visualise how this one will pan out. Taylor is certainly going to use that excellent jab and Froch has to either compete with it or make it ineffective - has Carl the work rate to do that? Will Froch just try to turn the fight into a War? Taylor isn't much of a puncher, so I can't see him hurting Froch but I can see him outboxing Carl - if Carl doesn't impose himself.

I'll be cheering on Carl and I think he can win and it would be a superb achievement.

If this is a good fight which i think it will be,was wondering what are the chances of itv getting the fight 1/2 days later they have done it before.

I think its going to be a great fight. I expect Taylor to win the early rounds maybe catching Froch with some real eye catching shots in the process.

Froch is tough though and if he can get to Taylor in the middle rounds I believe he can break his heart and force to him to quit, not by literally throwing in the towel but rather through forcing him into his shell and effectively have him covering up looking to survive down the stretch.

It really could go either way though. Taylor has struggled to beat virtually everyone I've ever seen him in with post Hopkins, he always makes a meal of it. Lacy was probably his easiest win.

But Froch often tends to be the same. Against domestic level opposition like Brian Magee he was being outboxed at times, a shot Robin Reid caught him flush several times and I can remember him looking absolutely awful in times past against for example Matthew Barney and Dale Westerman.

Both fighters will need to be on their top form to win.

I hope Froch does it, he's an exciting fighter watch and Taylor has had his chances.

I don't feel that Taylor has the heart of a true champion. He basically settled for a points loss to Kelly Pavlik in their rematch, he plodded around cluelessly against Cory Spinks, he couldn't even step it up to get the much smaller Kasim Ouma out of there.

I think, and hope that Carl blows him away and ends the Taylor era. Pavlik and Williams can fly the flag for the Americans at middleweight and Taylor can look to sideshow fights with Roy Jones Jr, Edison Miranda and maybe being a gatekeeper for Andre's Ward and Dirrell.

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I'll take Taylor by KO

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Taylor knocking Froch out in 8?? Please how?? Taylor hasnt stopped anyone in 4 years including blown up Light Middleweights, if there is a stoppage its the Cobra but i think Taylor wil fight a clever fight and win a clear ud.

It'll be Froch by brutal knockout around the 10th or it will be a felix sturm-type robbery.

The safe money bet is Taylor UD due to his better boxing skills, jab and Carl's leaky defense. But the more I think about this fight the more I favour Froch to pull off an upset. Froch is determined, confident and Taylor has never faced anyone as big as Froch, who is a massive super middleweight. Froch has underrated power as well. I'm gonna go with Froch.

I don't like either of these guys

Froch has beaten nobody, yet proclaims himself the best SMW in the world, and acts like the greatest fighter in the history of the UK. His criticisms of Joe were true in some way but seemed to become more borne out of envy than anything else. When he hyped himself as a better fighter than Dawson I had to laugh.

Taylor has IMO lost every fight he's had against top opposition, even if he does run them close. I thought he lost both fights to both Hopkins & Pavlik, was beaten by Winky Wright, and I thought he left it very close against Spinks and it could've gone the other way. The only fighters I give him credit for are Raul Marquez & William Joppy (both faded versions of their former selves), Kassim Ouma (again not what he once was, in addition he is a light-middleweight) and Jeff Lacy (do I really need to say anything?).

I think Taylor may take it on the cards in a close fight, so I will go with that, although wouldn't be surprised if he chokes & Froch takes him out.

I seriously think Froch wins!

Votes looking close, Im so so confident Carl is going to take him ;D

I think Taylor is more determined than ever and has the advantage in power, speed, experience and skill. Taylor is an inch taller than Froch and has a two inch reach advantage so I dont see Froch as they bigger man.

Taylor will win by wide unanimous decision or late TKO.

I cant wait though, some great fights this weekend!

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I think Taylor is more determined than ever and has the advantage in power, speed, experience and skill. Taylor is an inch taller than Froch and has a two inch reach advantage so I dont see Froch as they bigger man.

Taylor will win by wide unanimous decision or late TKO.

I cant wait though, some great fights this weekend!

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Why do you think Taylor has the advantage in power??

He hasnt knocked anyone out in 4 years including much smaller men, Froch is naturally the bigger puncher and if anyone gets stopped its Taylor.

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I think Taylor is more determined than ever and has the advantage in power, speed, experience and skill. Taylor is an inch taller than Froch and has a two inch reach advantage so I dont see Froch as they bigger man.

Taylor will win by wide unanimous decision or late TKO.

I cant wait though, some great fights this weekend!

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Why do you think Taylor has the advantage in power??

He hasnt knocked anyone out in 4 years including much smaller men, Froch is naturally the bigger puncher and if anyone gets stopped its Taylor.

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What relevant fighter has Froch knocked out? As soon as he stepped up to a fringe contender in Pascal he earned a decision.

Taylor has fought a who's who of top middle weight and junior middle weight opposition. The junior middle weights he fought Spinks, Wright, and Ouma were top ten ring fighters and are some of the slickest fighters around......so it is no surprise they were ugly fights without a KO.

Taylor had the power to keep Hopkins honest (buzzed him a few times I believe) and almost KO'd Pavlik, enough said....

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I think Taylor is more determined than ever and has the advantage in power, speed, experience and skill. Taylor is an inch taller than Froch and has a two inch reach advantage so I dont see Froch as they bigger man.

Taylor will win by wide unanimous decision or late TKO.

I cant wait though, some great fights this weekend!

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Why do you think Taylor has the advantage in power??

He hasnt knocked anyone out in 4 years including much smaller men, Froch is naturally the bigger puncher and if anyone gets stopped its Taylor.

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What relevant fighter has Froch knocked out? As soon as he stepped up to a fringe contender in Pascal he earned a decision.

Taylor has fought a who's who of top middle weight and junior middle weight opposition. The junior middle weights he fought Spinks, Wright, and Ouma were top ten ring fighters and are some of the slickest fighters around......so it is no surprise they were ugly fights without a KO.

Taylor had the power to keep Hopkins honest (buzzed him a few times I believe) and almost KO'd Pavlik, enough said....

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Ouma and Spinks who fought most there lives at welterweight, the same Spinks who got knocked the fuck out by Zab Judah.

Froch knocked out Tatevosyan in 2 rnds he had taken Bute the full 12 only a couple of months earlier, i agree that Taylor has fought at the higher level but no way he has better power than Froch who has a 79% ko rate and has fought at 168 all his career, Taylor has fought at lower weights and has a ko rate 54%.

If this ends early Taylor will be the one stopped.

The most sensible bet here is Froch KO, I think I am going to earn some good money on this. Froch will knock the American into retirement. Like people have said, who has Taylor actually hurt? He is nothing.

Ive gone for Froch win by KO but i think most of the choices there are serious bets.

Taylor is far more skillfull than Froch and i see him winnin most the early rounds beating Carl to the punch and jsut plain outboxing him. But Froch will keep coming and force the fight at a decent pace and get through sometimes,

Taylor will tire and slow down and Froch wont drop the pace and he will get through more and more and by the later rounds Taylor wont have much left and nowhere to run. He will get caught with a big combo or if not Froch will overtake him on points by being the agressor and doing more work.

But im basing this on Taylor having poor stamina, ive seen him fading in fights, especially at the bigger weight and im expecting to see this.

If im wrong about that Taylor could well take it the full 12 and win more than just the early rounds and win it on points. And ofcourse as good a chin as Froch has im sure Taylor could muster a KO punch out of his fists especially if Froch is guna walk on to stuff like he did against Pascal.

If taylor wants to win then he will pretty easy, if taylor wants to impress then froch does have enough i think to beat taylor. In that last fight i don't think that was taylor going easy on his old friend i just think that was taylor. For about a million fights now i've been waiting for that old killer jab throwing pre belt taylor to come back......but he never has, and i'm not sure he ever will.

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I don't like either of these guys

Froch has beaten nobody, yet proclaims himself the best SMW in the world, and acts like the greatest fighter in the history of the UK. His criticisms of Joe were true in some way but seemed to become more borne out of envy than anything else. When he hyped himself as a better fighter than Dawson I had to laugh.

Taylor has IMO lost every fight he's had against top opposition, even if he does run them close. I thought he lost both fights to both Hopkins & Pavlik, was beaten by Winky Wright, and I thought he left it very close against Spinks and it could've gone the other way. The only fighters I give him credit for are Raul Marquez & William Joppy (both faded versions of their former selves), Kassim Ouma (again not what he once was, in addition he is a light-middleweight) and Jeff Lacy (do I really need to say anything?).

I think Taylor may take it on the cards in a close fight, so I will go with that, although wouldn't be surprised if he chokes & Froch takes him out.

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a bit harsh on jermain, i think.. Before he got the belt's he was exciting to watch.. After he got the belts, he got a bit boring, but that really had to do with the opposition he was fighting.. Then he had the wake up call w/ Pavlik KO'ing him.. but in Taylor/Pavlik 2, i thought he fought a great fight.. He handled Lacy fine, i thought.. I like Jermain and i think he wins this fight by UD.. he'll have to fight the way he did against Pavlik the second time he fought him though!!

I think Ive seen Froch all of three times.Dont know if thats by design or not.Last one was some late sub that went about 4 rounds and Froch had his way.Pretty cocky fella full of himself it seems.Do remember his hands being quite low and him trying to do some cutesy moves.Nice handspeed though,and seems willing to back up his words.?I dont think Taylor is done by any means and this should be a nice little collision of one trying to break into the huge mainstream and one trying to maintain and re-boot high standing career.Straight punching could rule the day and Jab and the comparisons in calibur of opposition is pretty striking.Had some close calls but remains capable.It would be a huge mistake for Froch to assume things here.He needs to be smart or be beat.

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I'll take Taylor by KO

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Taylor knocking Froch out in 8?? Please how?? Taylor hasnt stopped anyone in 4 years including blown up Light Middleweights, if there is a stoppage its the Cobra but i think Taylor wil fight a clever fight and win a clear ud.

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Hey man say what you will but Taylor is much stronger in the supermiddleweight's and he is much more dangerous than anyone Froch has fought. I simply say KO because I am not sold on Froch like alot of British fans are. As of yet.

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The most sensible bet here is Froch KO, I think I am going to earn some good money on this. Froch will knock the American into retirement. Like people have said, who has Taylor actually hurt? He is nothing.

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Who has he hurt is that a joke? He has hurt Hopkins,Wright, downed Pavlik. People get a little confused and say " well he didn't hurt Ouma or Spinks". It is kind of hard for a fighter to hurt someone when they are always on the defense. Also that was at 160 lbs and from what I remember he was always battling to make the weight. This is Taylor's natural weight and he looked damn impressive against Lacy. One of his best performances to date. This will be the return of Taylor.

Tough fight to call a winner. I expect Taylor to sweep the early rounds then Froch to start pinching them later on as Taylor tires, who wins depends how early thjis'll happen. As Froch is a twat I hope Taylor can actually stop him but that's unlikely IMO.

Froch set for break-out fight! | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7

this from fightnews.com

i cant wait, not long to go now!!! ;D

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I'll take Taylor by KO

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I'm leaning towards the same result. I re-watched the Pascal fight and Froch is just too easy to hit, he was shaken slightly a few times by Pascal and I reckon Taylor will follow up (if he stuns Froch like Pascal did) in a much more devastating fashion.

I'd like Froch to win and will be cheering for him but if Taylor comes with his A game I can't see Froch beating the quicker, more skillful Taylor.

Taylor Ready for Froch! | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7

froch Will Know By Mid Fight Taylor Cant Hurt Him And Move In For The Kill Froch By Ko Around The 8th

I am surprised the odds are only slightly in Jermain's favor.

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It'll be Froch by brutal knockout around the 10th or it will be a felix sturm-type robbery.

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Not too wrong there.