I probably would because the curiosity factor :confused: would be too compelling. Also, there might be a chance he gets iced :foruml10gc5: depending on who he fights.
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I probably would because the curiosity factor :confused: would be too compelling. Also, there might be a chance he gets iced :foruml10gc5: depending on who he fights.
I'd don't think he should be allowed to fight again! There's no way I'd pay to see him!!!
I would'nt myself...He should be facing a Worldwide ban now the cheating scumbag;D
I know, I know, but let's say he signs to fight Cotto in some neutral country or Mosley (again) in Mexico. Would you pay to see that?
If he fought one of those guys I'd watch (but not pay), I really hope none of the top guys give him the time of day. He doesn't deserve to make anymore money of this sport! His legacy is tarnished, every one of his wins are now tainted!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
No chance
We would all love to see a rematch with Cotto...its a hard one!!Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
My morals say no,but my love of a good scrap says yes;D;D but a worldwide ban would would put pay to that as an option!
No.He should abide by the suspension and Arum should shut his pie hole.After that,curse me, but yeah,I'll watch him but not on PPV,beginning to stop those altogether
The thing for me is that I do not believe it is the 1st time Margarito has done this. Why all of a sudden would he want to use illegal hand wraps when he was so heavily favored? I hope he fades away altogether!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I must admit, with the quality of private streams now being so high (I'm talking subscription ones for around $10 month) I can't understand why any net savvy person would buy a PPV? :confused:
You can support the fighters I guess but if they are big enough to be on PPV they are already far better off than all of us and in some case multi millionaires so they can do without our dough.
I hate PPV I think its wrong by principle, you pay a subscription for a tv network they should pay for the fight out of the sub money.
There's too much greed in sport with people (not just boxing) wanting to earn millions and millions. Same with the film industry.
Hey now Hold on to your horses Bald Eagle!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
What proof do the CA comission have that Margarito's wraps were illegal???
They have an envelope thin pad of gauze, damp. with an undetermined stain on it. On this pad, after very extensive tests, they found TRACE ELEMENTS!!! that means a miniscule amount , of sulpher.
Ok sulpher is found in Plaster of paris BUT its also found in hand creme.
This pad was handled by at least FIFTEEN!!!! people before being sealed for analysis. Is it beyond comprehension that was where the sulpher came from???
Where are the plastc inserts Nazim Richardson claimed fell out of them???? Where are the "Bricks" claimed to be in the wraps
Why isnt the CA Comissions Chief inspector being named and called to task?? After all he signed off on the initial wrap saying it was OK.
Then to add to the pantomime then he's allowed to give evidence supporting the wrap was illegal. ROFL
This whole scenario would be laughed out of any court in the land I'm just waiting for Margarito's lawyers to sue the CA comission for depriving a man of his livlihood and defamation of character..
The fact that his opponent that night Mosely is a KNOWN STEROID ABUSER himself but was allowed to escape unpunished only adds to the irony
Margarito's license should be activated again IMMEDIATELY
I really want to see him fight Cotto again. If Arum can negotiate Margarito through his ban and give him a tuneup to make him look a credible opponent again then a Cotto rematch would be huge. It would bring huge publicity to boxing for all the wrong reasons but it'd make a ton of money, something Arum won't have overlooked. There's a hell of a story to sell, a big hook to bring the punters in and get them ordering the PPV. No matter what Margarito, Cotto or Arum say publicly over the next year about whether it could happen I'm sure it will barring something going wrong, there's just too much potential money to be hoovered up for it not to happen. I think Cotto wins too.
Where do you get "trace elements" from?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockHey now Hold on to your horses Bald Eagle!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
What proof do the CA comission have that Margarito's wraps were illegal???
They have an envelope thin pad of gauze, damp. with an undetermined stain on it. On this pad, after very extensive tests, they found TRACE ELEMENTS!!! that means a miniscule amount , of sulpher.
Ok sulpher is found in Plaster of paris BUT its also found in hand creme.
This pad was handled by at least FIFTEEN!!!! people before being sealed for analysis. Is it beyond comprehension that was where the sulpher came from???
Where are the plastc inserts Nazim Richardson claimed fell out of them???? Where are the "Bricks" claimed to be in the wraps
Why isnt the CA Comissions Chief inspector being named and called to task?? After all he signed off on the initial wrap saying it was OK.
Then to add to the pantomime then he's allowed to give evidence supporting the wrap was illegal. ROFL
This whole scenario would be laughed out of any court in the land I'm just waiting for Margarito's lawyers to sue the CA comission for depriving a man of his livlihood and defamation of character..
The fact that his opponent that night Mosely is a KNOWN STEROID ABUSER himself but was allowed to escape unpunished only adds to the irony
Margarito's license should be activated again IMMEDIATELY
Richardson said he asked to feel the wraps & felt something really hard outside the knuckles. When squeezed the thing fell out & the doctor said it looks like plaster they make casts out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockHey now Hold on to your horses Bald Eagle!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
What proof do the CA comission have that Margarito's wraps were illegal???
They have an envelope thin pad of gauze, damp. with an undetermined stain on it. On this pad, after very extensive tests, they found TRACE ELEMENTS!!! that means a miniscule amount , of sulpher.
Ok sulpher is found in Plaster of paris BUT its also found in hand creme.
This pad was handled by at least FIFTEEN!!!! people before being sealed for analysis. Is it beyond comprehension that was where the sulpher came from???
Where are the plastc inserts Nazim Richardson claimed fell out of them???? Where are the "Bricks" claimed to be in the wraps
Why isnt the CA Comissions Chief inspector being named and called to task?? After all he signed off on the initial wrap saying it was OK.
Then to add to the pantomime then he's allowed to give evidence supporting the wrap was illegal. ROFL
This whole scenario would be laughed out of any court in the land I'm just waiting for Margarito's lawyers to sue the CA comission for depriving a man of his livlihood and defamation of character..
The fact that his opponent that night Mosely is a KNOWN STEROID ABUSER himself but was allowed to escape unpunished only adds to the irony
Margarito's license should be activated again IMMEDIATELY
I don't remember Richardson claiming plastic inserts?
The fact is illegal substances were found in Margarito's hand wraps & he should never be allowed to fight again!!!
I'm not supporting doping, but it is a different story than endangering a persons life!
Yeah,Im stuck within my evolution.Also the last thing I'll ever be accused of being is net savvy;D,have been playing catch up for what seems forever.Up until 3 years ago,I had never run a stream for a fight.Still rebuilding.PPV is a def drain on the funds and am pretty picky these days,maybe one every two months.I just have never liked watching fights on a desk top.....stuck in the past I suppose.It really is an entirely different world up on a huge flat screen,speakers blaring at full tilt,.....except when Lampley is on,then the mute button becomes essential:-X.Using more and more streams as we can find them.Your right,quality is much better as of late.............BTW anyone with a stream for the Antillon fight on Friday night,please wrap it up,would be a great gift ;D.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I must admit, with the quality of private streams now being so high (I'm talking subscription ones for around $10 month) I can't understand why any net savvy person would buy a PPV? :confused:
You can support the fighters I guess but if they are big enough to be on PPV they are already far better off than all of us and in some case multi millionaires so they can do without our dough.
I hate PPV I think its wrong by principle, you pay a subscription for a tv network they should pay for the fight out of the sub money.
There's too much greed in sport with people (not just boxing) wanting to earn millions and millions. Same with the film industry.
Ive been mute on this for the longest.Seeing a favorite get decapitated and brutally KO'd is one thing,but the aftermath and all of the drama just guts a guy.Galaxy man,I honestly dont have the answers.And Im not going to pretend to be a soothsayer and read tea leaves as to who knew what and when they knew it.Nor a mason or scientist specializing in chemical compounds.What I know for fact is that they found some sort of insert used in 'training pads',square pad wrapped inside of Tonys glove leading into the Mosley fight.Ive seen Mosley state that he felt and observed the pad and it appeared 'normal',Ive seen his Doctor say that it had flakes on it and seemed hard.Bottom line is the Commission held its hearing,concluded that he and camp were in the wrong and rendered a punishment.What ever the case and what ever it was......It should not have been there!!I have zero proof that he was 'dirty' in any other fights.He walked around,glad handing and hiding nothing after the Cotto win,all the while his wraps in plain view.He pelted Williams and Clottey with equally hard shots and they showed no facial trauma.Cotto showed plenty on the other hand.........people will and have drawn own conclussions off of his dealing in last fight,and you honestly cannot blame them.He and his corner have to live with the aftermath with no pity expected.Ive been a huge fan for a long while and say with the risk of a scarlet letter here , I cannot just throw a fighter and his past away all together.But directly or indirectly, his actions have blemished the sport, frankly the dumb son a b!!!ch made his bed and now has to live with his deeds,serves them right.Shite....I feel like cybil.Topic beaten into the ground frankly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyThe thing for me is that I do not believe it is the 1st time Margarito has done this. Why all of a sudden would he want to use illegal hand wraps when he was so heavily favored? I hope he fades away altogether!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I got ya Spicoli, but that past will always be tainted for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIve been mute on this for the longest.Seeing a favorite get decapitated and brutally KO'd is one thing,but the aftermath and all of the drama just guts a guy.Galaxy man,I honestly dont have the answers.And Im not going to pretend to be a soothsayer and read tea leaves as to who knew what and when they knew it.Nor a mason or scientist specializing in chemical compounds.What I know for fact is that they found some sort of insert used in 'training pads',square pad wrapped inside of Tonys glove leading into the Mosley fight.Ive seen Mosley state that he felt and observed the pad and it appeared 'normal',Ive seen his Doctor say that it had flakes on it and seemed hard.Bottom line is the Commission held its hearing,concluded that he and camp were in the wrong and rendered a punishment.What ever the case and what ever it was......It should not have been there!!I have zero proof that he was 'dirty' in any other fights.He walked around,glad handing and hiding nothing after the Cotto win,all the while his wraps in plain view.He pelted Williams and Clottey with equally hard shots and they showed no facial trauma.Cotto showed plenty on the other hand.........people will and have drawn own conclussions off of his dealing in last fight,and you honestly cannot blame them.He and his corner have to live with the aftermath with no pity expected.Ive been a huge fan for a long while and say with the risk of a scarlet letter here , I cannot just throw a fighter and his past away all together.But directly or indirectly, his actions have blemished the sport, frankly the dumb son a b!!!ch made his bed and now has to live with his deeds,serves them right.Shite....I feel like cybil.Topic beaten into the ground frankly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyThe thing for me is that I do not believe it is the 1st time Margarito has done this. Why all of a sudden would he want to use illegal hand wraps when he was so heavily favored? I hope he fades away altogether!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by SpicoliIve been mute on this for the longest.Seeing a favorite get decapitated and brutally KO'd is one thing,but the aftermath and all of the drama just guts a guy.Galaxy man,I honestly dont have the answers.And Im not going to pretend to be a soothsayer and read tea leaves as to who knew what and when they knew it.Nor a mason or scientist specializing in chemical compounds.What I know for fact is that they found some sort of insert used in 'training pads',square pad wrapped inside of Tonys glove leading into the Mosley fight.Ive seen Mosley state that he felt and observed the pad and it appeared 'normal',Ive seen his Doctor say that it had flakes on it and seemed hard.Bottom line is the Commission held its hearing,concluded that he and camp were in the wrong and rendered a punishment.What ever the case and what ever it was......It should not have been there!!I have zero proof that he was 'dirty' in any other fights.He walked around,glad handing and hiding nothing after the Cotto win,all the while his wraps in plain view.He pelted Williams and Clottey with equally hard shots and they showed no facial trauma.Cotto showed plenty on the other hand.........people will and have drawn own conclussions off of his dealing in last fight,and you honestly cannot blame them.He and his corner have to live with the aftermath with no pity expected.Ive been a huge fan for a long while and say with the risk of a scarlet letter here , I cannot just throw a fighter and his past away all together.But directly or indirectly, his actions have blemished the sport, frankly the dumb son a b!!!ch made his bed and now has to live with his deeds,serves them right.Shite....I feel like cybil.Topic beaten into the ground frankly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyThe thing for me is that I do not believe it is the 1st time Margarito has done this. Why all of a sudden would he want to use illegal hand wraps when he was so heavily favored? I hope he fades away altogether!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
But would you buy PPV? :confused:
;). Hey Holmcall,good to see you posting again,you back for a while??Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Absolutely not!! Only way I'd pay to see him fight is if he was in a coliseum fighting lions with a knife:)
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhere do you get "trace elements" from?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockHey now Hold on to your horses Bald Eagle!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
What proof do the CA comission have that Margarito's wraps were illegal???
They have an envelope thin pad of gauze, damp. with an undetermined stain on it. On this pad, after very extensive tests, they found TRACE ELEMENTS!!! that means a miniscule amount , of sulpher.
Ok sulpher is found in Plaster of paris BUT its also found in hand creme.
This pad was handled by at least FIFTEEN!!!! people before being sealed for analysis. Is it beyond comprehension that was where the sulpher came from???
Where are the plastc inserts Nazim Richardson claimed fell out of them???? Where are the "Bricks" claimed to be in the wraps
Why isnt the CA Comissions Chief inspector being named and called to task?? After all he signed off on the initial wrap saying it was OK.
Then to add to the pantomime then he's allowed to give evidence supporting the wrap was illegal. ROFL
This whole scenario would be laughed out of any court in the land I'm just waiting for Margarito's lawyers to sue the CA comission for depriving a man of his livlihood and defamation of character..
The fact that his opponent that night Mosely is a KNOWN STEROID ABUSER himself but was allowed to escape unpunished only adds to the irony
Margarito's license should be activated again IMMEDIATELY
Its was stated that way on the report "Trace Elements of sulpher were discovered on the pad" As was stated Shane Mosely handled the pad himself and said he couldnt see anything wrong with it.
There was nothing on that pad that would enhance Margarito's punching power or to hurt his opponent end of story
Here's the Million dollar follow up question, in this hypothetical world of MArgo fighting again especially against Cotto or Mosley...lets say one of those fights does happen somewhere in Mexico or Thailand or whatever, with all the hoopla that this has caused if Margo fought anyone I'd expect that the other corner would insist on not only being there while its done (the hand wraps) but maybe even that they do it themselves.
So lets say that that is what happens, Nazim Ricahrdson wraps his hands they go out and fight and Margo beats his ass... then what? did he cheat the first fight really? did he have a bad night, was he under weight, would he get any credit?
Heyyyyyyyyy... welcome back. Hadn't seen much of you around here lately. Could it be related to the Margarito plaster fiasco? Or the fact that he got his ass beaten like a drum by Mosley? Probably just taking a break, huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
;)
Maybe I pay a nickel to see him with Vitali if the ref. is Marlon B. Wright or another one who allow plenty of punishment ;)
Im done with Margarito. I always talked him up over the years and was a genuine fan. Not anymore. He should be banned, but since he isnt, he should retire.
i might buy the ppv...
to watch the undercard... ;D
nuh no way im gonna spend a dime on his fights again..
On PPV? Hell no.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli;). Hey Holmcall,good to see you posting again,you back for a while??Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yes, hard to stay away. Good to be back. :appl::lolololol:
I offer MY prayers to our friends and family in Mexico. I stand with them during these troubling times. I hope for healing, for them, and the world
Dude's apparently not even leaving Capetillo from all I've heard, if that's true he's just thumbing his nose at the sport, fuck him.
If Cotto-Margarito 2 happened and was on PPV I'd watch it on a free stream just in the hopes of seeing him get hammered and after it happened I'd mail Cotto 49.95 just to let him know I appreciated it.
actually I probably wouldn't. But I'd really enjoy it.
I'd pay to watch tarver talk about how good he is on ppv before i'd watch margacheato's punk ass do anything. I hope he never gets another fight and if he does i hope he never wins another.
I sincerely hope that if Margarito & Mosely do meet again that Tony's wtraps are properly checked PLUS Shane Mosely be tested pre fight for HGH. The normal pee test given to fighters does not detect HGH .Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
Shane's amazing performance against Margarito is kinda suspect after his last two lack lustre performances. Just think about it folks Nazeem goes in Margarito's Dressing room raises hell about his wraps, Shane gets slipped through without too much notice:confused:
:banghead::banghead::banghead: that should be familiar CJ ;DQuote:
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhere do you get "trace elements" from?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Its was stated that way on the report "Trace Elements of sulpher were discovered on the pad" As was stated Shane Mosely handled the pad himself and said he couldnt see anything wrong with it.
There was nothing on that pad that would enhance Margarito's punching power or to hurt his opponent end of story
I don't think that $49.95 will do much for Cotto's doctor bill. Loaded gloves or not I think Margarito kicks his regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
It didn't say "trace elements", it said sulphur and calcium. Bob Arum is a business figure with long-standing access to and knowledge of the national and state political systems, and the juice to be able to pay campaign contributions to the right people to get things done. And I'm certain that eventually history will show that he got things done with the statement the California boxing board issued.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.RockQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhere do you get "trace elements" from?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Its was stated that way on the report "Trace Elements of sulpher were discovered on the pad" As was stated Shane Mosely handled the pad himself and said he couldnt see anything wrong with it.
There was nothing on that pad that would enhance Margarito's punching power or to hurt his opponent end of story
I'd put money on Arum having got them to issue the blandest most anodyne statement possible, just that "sulphur and calcium were present" which I think was the wording. But they could equally have issued a statement that said something like " a powdered form of sulphur and calcium was found in the wraps, a substance which was an exact physical and chemical match for the commercial plaster of paris premix which hospitals use to make plaster casts. In conjunction with the blocks of gauze found in the wraps and moisture from the fighter's hands this would have eventually formed an effective plaster cast over the fighter's knuckles during the bout."
But Arum got a statement issued which gives him the wiggle room of claiming it was hand cream or some other bs, something that leaves Margarito still a commercial proposition after his ban ends instead of a pariah. Because there's big money to be made in the rematch. I'm sure we'll eventually get to hear the real story in a year or three or a decade or two and that's what we'll eventually get to hear, like a decade or so after the Resto fight we found out he'd used plaster on his gauze as well as removing the padding.