I cant remember a more devestating KO in a top level fight since Hearns-Duran.
Hatton was out before he hit the matt.
How can such a small man generate such awsome power.
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I cant remember a more devestating KO in a top level fight since Hearns-Duran.
Hatton was out before he hit the matt.
How can such a small man generate such awsome power.
HEARNS-DURAN
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Ipn_Y3iNM
Yeah it was incredible, it was Tyson Spinks all over again except this time the little guy was laying down the ass kicking.
It will go down in history as one of greatest wins ever alongside Hagler Hearns and Luis Schmeling.
I can't remember an undisputed champ and p4p star being destroyed so emphatically by a man basically coming up two division from a year before.
Brutal, just brutal.
Pac is truly a freak. And I mean that in a good way. ;)
Yes - it was terrible. Ricky will find it difficult to come to terms with the nature of defeat that's for sure. Look how we're taking it :-\
Pac will go onto greatness - if he can avoid Amir Khan
Amir Amir Amir Amir !!!! ;D
It was brutal.
Pac has a devastating arsenal now... I thought the straight left right down the middle of an attacking Hatton would have been the weapon.. But his Jab was nailing hatton every time.. His right hook is dangerous for any righty, especially being able to time it well to avoid a left hook...
And that left hook was absolutely one of the most brutal i've ever seen.. 2 rounds in against a 140 king, and his head nearly kinked completely off his neck..
The fact of the speed, and the power it connects at is just amazing... What a fighter to watch at higher weights...
It would have been something like Mike Tyson had it been in the heavyweight.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
In all honesty, the way Hatton has now been destroyed by the two top dogs he's faced, can only bring to my mind that maybe he was ranked a bit too high on the p4p list to begin with. Top 10? I don't think he ever belonged there. Top 20? That would've been fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I think the fact he absolutely ruled 140, and did travel okay at 147. He wasn't nearly the force he was once he moved up though. And Floyd was just the freak of our era. He was a big fast guy at 147, and Hatton just wasn't strong enough there.. I think it was fair for him to be top 10 as far as his winning ability, but he was always there to be beaten by fast guys who could time him right.. But that is only a select few, hence he was up there in the p4p's, but never top 3 or 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanIn all honesty, the way Hatton has now been destroyed by the two top dogs he's faced, can only bring to my mind that maybe he was ranked a bit too high on the p4p list to begin with. Top 10? I don't think he ever belonged there. Top 20? That would've been fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I was thinking the same thing myself straight after the fight finished. another it reminded me of though I don't like to think of it was Jones vs Glen Johnson. Jones and Hatton were both lying stiff very similar!
I don't know that I would agree that he did "okay" at 147. First time he ventures out of 140, he gets wobbled and barely escapes against the light-hitting Luis Collazo. Then gets KO'ed by Mayweather. Had he ever met an elite fighter at 147 (Cotto, Margarito, Clottey), he would have been annihilated. At 140, he beat Kostya Tszyu in a fight I've never liked due to Hatton's mauling style, and the fact he got away with things he would've never gotten away with anywhere else. His KO of Castillo was impressive, in that it was a one-punch body shot. But other than that, his resume has never said top 10 p4p to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DizasterI think the fact he absolutely ruled 140, and did travel okay at 147. He wasn't nearly the force he was once he moved up though. And Floyd was just the freak of our era. He was a big fast guy at 147, and Hatton just wasn't strong enough there.. I think it was fair for him to be top 10 as far as his winning ability, but he was always there to be beaten by fast guys who could time him right.. But that is only a select few, hence he was up there in the p4p's, but never top 3 or 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanIn all honesty, the way Hatton has now been destroyed by the two top dogs he's faced, can only bring to my mind that maybe he was ranked a bit too high on the p4p list to begin with. Top 10? I don't think he ever belonged there. Top 20? That would've been fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by TitoFanIn all honesty, the way Hatton has now been destroyed by the two top dogs he's faced, can only bring to my mind that maybe he was ranked a bit too high on the p4p list to begin with. Top 10? I don't think he ever belonged there. Top 20? That would've been fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Surely you can say that about many fighters in hindsight though, Jermain Taylor, Christian Mijares, Margarito, Pavlik, Antonio Tarver, etc.
Hatton definitely deserved his p4p status imo. he defeated Kosta Tszyu and became the undisputed king of light welter. Obviously he drops out now but you can't say he didn't deserve to be there any more than you can say Rafael Marquez never deserved to be there becuase he's lost his last two, or Diego Coralles.
Mayweather is better than Cotto, Marg and Clottey all put together. So how can you say "Had he ever met an elite fighter at 147"?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanI don't know that I would agree that he did "okay" at 147. First time he ventures out of 140, he gets wobbled and barely escapes against the light-hitting Luis Collazo. Then gets KO'ed by Mayweather. Had he ever met an elite fighter at 147 (Cotto, Margarito, Clottey), he would have been annihilated. At 140, he beat Kostya Tszyu in a fight I've never liked due to Hatton's mauling style, and the fact he got away with things he would've never gotten away with anywhere else. His KO of Castillo was impressive, in that it was a one-punch body shot. But other than that, his resume has never said top 10 p4p to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DizasterI think the fact he absolutely ruled 140, and did travel okay at 147. He wasn't nearly the force he was once he moved up though. And Floyd was just the freak of our era. He was a big fast guy at 147, and Hatton just wasn't strong enough there.. I think it was fair for him to be top 10 as far as his winning ability, but he was always there to be beaten by fast guys who could time him right.. But that is only a select few, hence he was up there in the p4p's, but never top 3 or 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Are you on "crack"? Mayweather's elite... just not at 147. What part of that don't you understand? This is boxing. You can be great at one weight and not at another. Again... Hatton never met an elite 147-pound fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuMayweather is better than Cotto, Marg and Clottey all put together. So how can you say "Had he ever met an elite fighter at 147"?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanI don't know that I would agree that he did "okay" at 147. First time he ventures out of 140, he gets wobbled and barely escapes against the light-hitting Luis Collazo. Then gets KO'ed by Mayweather. Had he ever met an elite fighter at 147 (Cotto, Margarito, Clottey), he would have been annihilated. At 140, he beat Kostya Tszyu in a fight I've never liked due to Hatton's mauling style, and the fact he got away with things he would've never gotten away with anywhere else. His KO of Castillo was impressive, in that it was a one-punch body shot. But other than that, his resume has never said top 10 p4p to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
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Originally Posted by TitoFanAre you on "crack"? Mayweather's elite... just not at 147. What part of that don't you understand? This is boxing. You can be great at one weight and not at another. Again... Hatton never met an elite 147-pound fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuMayweather is better than Cotto, Marg and Clottey all put together. So how can you say "Had he ever met an elite fighter at 147"?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
He fought and outpointed the linear undisputed world welterweight champion in Carlos Baldimor and defeated the previous undisputed world welterweight champion in Zab Judah what more do you want :)
At thought at first, Ricky was paralized from neck down. But thank god nothing serious happened. Hatton was already out before he violently slammed the back of his head on the canvas. It was very similar to Roy Jones KO.
C'mon Bilbo... I'll give Floyd all the props you want. The guy's an ATG, and has done remarkable things in boxing. But that still doesn't take away the fact that he's in over his head against the elites at 147. The fact that he has carefully avoided the likes of Margarito, Mosley, and Cotto should give you SOME inkling about what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAre you on "crack"? Mayweather's elite... just not at 147. What part of that don't you understand? This is boxing. You can be great at one weight and not at another. Again... Hatton never met an elite 147-pound fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
He fought and outpointed the linear undisputed world welterweight champion in Carlos Baldimor and defeated the previous undisputed world welterweight champion in Zab Judah what more do you want :)
To get back on topic, was a sick, sick KO. Ricky was still well into lala land when they had already pulled his gumshield and were rolling him on his side in case his tongue was down his throat. Scary stuff...
Was good to see him on his feet, gettin the news, "Ya dude. you're in Vegas, just got KTFO!" lol
Glad he is ok.
Mayweather is way better than any of them at 147. Hell he moved upto 154 and beat a good ODLH there. Yes the same Oscar that Tito stole a decision from and also Mosley second time round who has just destroyed Margarito who destroyed Cotto. Your the one who is on crack!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAre you on "crack"? Mayweather's elite... just not at 147. What part of that don't you understand? This is boxing. You can be great at one weight and not at another. Again... Hatton never met an elite 147-pound fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuMayweather is better than Cotto, Marg and Clottey all put together. So how can you say "Had he ever met an elite fighter at 147"?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Well all i got to say is i really question Hattons chin really i mean Pac is not a one punch kinda of power knock out artist and he took him out fast. Then there was the fact he got koed by Mayweather who is not power puncher either. I mean look Pac was landing at will on Oscar and he could not even knock him out and he was hitting him so much it was bad.
Well Rjj i dont think Mayweather was really not much better then Mosley at the weight and still think if he came back it would be a close fight to. As for the Dela Hoya win not sure how much water that really holds anymore because he looked pretty bad in his last times out could be because of weight but maybe he didnt really have it anymore after the Vargas fight because he really didnt seem the same after it but who knows how much he really had left in the tank tell you the truth.
You're funny, kid. "Way better than any of them at 147" eh? You sound like a blind, PBF nut-hugger. Your logic makes no sense, but what else to expect? Get back to me when you get your head out of Floyd's ass, will you?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuMayweather is way better than any of them at 147. Hell he moved upto 154 and beat a good ODLH there. Yes the same Oscar that Tito stole a decision from and also Mosley second time round who has just destroyed Margarito who destroyed Cotto. Your the one who is on crack!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAre you on "crack"? Mayweather's elite... just not at 147. What part of that don't you understand? This is boxing. You can be great at one weight and not at another. Again... Hatton never met an elite 147-pound fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I was reading The Ring online earlier and found this opinion on Hatton after last night's events
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while Hatton was an accomplished champion, he never approached greatness in his career.
I think thats pretty spot on - though he did approach greatness in the way he took on two p4p kings, just never got over that hurdle.
'never achieved 'would be a better phrase
I still think Hatton can Win AmirQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I think you need a physics lesson. If Hatton had stood off Pac and just kept his guard up he would have eaten leather all night the same way DLH did. But he lunged in in the same naive fashion he did against Mayweather, instead of using his 'newly acquired skills' to box his way in and rough Pac up. The reason for the ferocity and power of the KO is simple: the incredible speed at which Pac through the punch + the force of Hatton's own momentum carrying him into the punch = KO power. It's the equivalent of launching your face at a large doorknob. You could see after the first round the flurries had already reddened Hatton's face, and it would have ended up like DLH's had the fight gone on. Really disappointed with Hatton - he didn't give himself a chance. On the other hand, I don't begrudge Pac the win, because he is a similar character to Hatton, only more dedicated to the sport. He also never made things personal, and showed great respect to Hatton at all times. I sincerely hope he knocks PBF right out of the ring, though my gut feeling is Floyd will outbox him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Lets not get carried away here, there's been plenty of other KO's as good as Hatton/Pacquiao since Duran/Hearns. Michael Nunn vs Sumbu Kalambay comes to mind straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Well to give the other side of the argument,Pac has won 2 of his last 3 with a one punch KO so I think you are wrong in what you are saying.:lickish:
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Originally Posted by ICBLets not get carried away here, there's been plenty of other KO's as good as Hatton/Pacquiao since Duran/Hearns. Michael Nunn vs Sumbu Kalambay comes to mind straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Ask your avrage British sports fan who is Michael Nunn or Sumbu Kalambay you will get a blank look.
Ask them who is Hearns or Duran you will get a different answer.
READ THE THREAD!
I did read the thread title and your first post, and you said it was the best KO since Roberto Duran vs Thomas Hearns at the high level right ? Michael Nunn, Sumbu Kalambay, were top level fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBLets not get carried away here, there's been plenty of other KO's as good as Hatton/Pacquiao since Duran/Hearns. Michael Nunn vs Sumbu Kalambay comes to mind straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Ask your avrage British sports fan who is Michael Nunn or Sumbu Kalambay you will get a blank look.
Ask them who is Hearns or Duran you will get a different answer.
READ THE THREAD!
I don't get what your saying so just because armchair fans wouldn't of heard of Michael Nunn, Sumbu Kalambay, it doesn't count ?
Any person that follow's boxing would know who they are, and since it earned the first ever KO of the year. I would say it is a pretty well known amongst proper boxing fans.
And it was even more shocking because Sumbu Kalambay had a world class chin, and he had beaten the likes of Herol Graham, Iran Barkley, Steve Collins, Mike McCallum.
And also add to the fact that Michael Nunn wasn't known as a big puncher was even more shocking, and i'd say it was even more shocking and brutal than Manny Pacquiao vs Ricky Hatton was.
Wasn't he the Undisputed Champ at 147?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Undisputed? As in having cleaned up all the other champions from the division? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyWasn't he the Undisputed Champ at 147?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Not only was it brutal but scary as hell!
I thought....ooooh...Pacquaio finally did it...he killed someone.
Good thing Hatton is ok.:D
No way PBF was undisputed at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanUndisputed? As in having cleaned up all the other champions from the division? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyWasn't he the Undisputed Champ at 147?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Hattons chin might have lost a bit of resistance over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
But his chin had nothing to do with getting KO'd last night. That was a loaded punch from Pac. Coming in like hatton was that punch would have iced quite a few solid chins.
Hard to watch on replays but mesmerizing at the same time.Hope he can rebound.Perfect short-shot counter.Not being a smart azz here...but anyone notice how Hatton fell directly onto and covering the 'star' portion of the 'Rockstar' logo.Just useless obsevation....reminded me of Rahman layed out in Lewis rematch with the king Crown logo atop his head from above camera.
it could have been far worse...
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1242/hk1.jpg
I am by no means a Floyd Nut hugger, and most of the time you'll find me hanging shit on him.. And have even found problems with him in the ring, but anytime I question that, I go back and watch his ability, and whether or not he actually met some of the top guys at 147, he was the best fighter at 147... Sometimes you can't have the showdown to pick who is better out of 2 fighters.. It's better when we do, but purely on performance, Floyd was as Elite as they come...Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanYou're funny, kid. "Way better than any of them at 147" eh? You sound like a blind, PBF nut-hugger. Your logic makes no sense, but what else to expect? Get back to me when you get your head out of Floyd's ass, will you?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuMayweather is way better than any of them at 147. Hell he moved upto 154 and beat a good ODLH there. Yes the same Oscar that Tito stole a decision from and also Mosley second time round who has just destroyed Margarito who destroyed Cotto. Your the one who is on crack!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Hopefully he can come back and hasn't lost anything, and take those fights at 147 against Pac, Mosley, Williams, and anyone else he needs to fight to prove in the ring he is the best guy at that weight....
Some can judge a fighter the best by HOW they fight, some can only judge if they are great by WHO the fight...
I hope Floyd takes some fights that convince the latter, what the former are already convinced of...
And I hope he hasn't lost anything so there's no excuses..
I have seen some brutal KO's and yes Hearns V Duran was brutal and so was McCallum V Curry. The Pacman's KO of Hatton is up there with some of the most devastating KO's in World Championship Boxing history.
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher