Margarito kills Cotto and Cintron, Mosley destroys Margarito. Pac Man is moving up and down and side to side in weight keeping all his power?!!
Im sorry these guys are taking the juice.
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Margarito kills Cotto and Cintron, Mosley destroys Margarito. Pac Man is moving up and down and side to side in weight keeping all his power?!!
Im sorry these guys are taking the juice.
Pacquaio didn't look any bulkier than he normally does.. It's kind of hard to hide muscles when you have your shirt off the entire time without a team jersey over them like in other sports..
plus, if he was on roids he'd have to lose more weight because of the extra weight in muscle he would put on.. The fight was only at 140 so i don't think that happened..
plus, pacquiao relies on speed too much and i don't see him wanting to give up speed for power, even though he was fighting a bigger guy..
he caught ricky flush several times in the first round, and also in the second leading up to the KO.. I think we sometimes forget how vulnerable you can be to get set up for a flush shot sometimes.. Defensive minded fighters who are slick and slip punches do not get caught often, which is why if they get KO'd it's usually from the build up of punishment over 7-8 rounds.. but ricky hatton was walking straight into flush shots, and lets face it, i don't care how good or solid anyones chin is, we're all human and taking straight shots right on the button will floor anyone.
im pretty sure without bodybuilder type training and eating louds he would put on a serious amount of muscle, steroids dont put muscle on without the training and nutrition to go with it
however i dont subscribe to that and think maybe he just an amazing athlete, give him his dues
I really cant get my head around Manny keepng all his speed, reflexes and power and the fact his body looks natural at this weight.
I find it difficult to believe it is all just down to hard work.
Many other fighters, great fighters before him have moved through the weights and done well but they havent been blasting out known strong men and looking as if they started in that weight.
I dont think Roach would have anything to do with any cheating as it would ruin him as a trainer but with a whole nation behind Manny it is plausable that he could be getting extra cirricular help from anywhere to keep him winning.
Mosely diid it and no one could give a shiit really:rolleyes: but to go up as many weights as Manny has and not look like hes carrying a little extra fluid or fat and the fact with the extra weight he hasnt slowed is odd.
When people see Manny, they picture a 106lb fighter and have a hard time grasping him as a 140lb fighter. Manny basically naturally outgrew the lower weight classes all together and is probably a Natural 130lb+ fighter right now frame wise. Even at 130 he was fighting and struggling to make that limit a lot. Roach would freak if he did not show up at training camp on time back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Manny started fighting as a kid, he would move up in weight classes slower than he should have. His bone mass itself has grown thicker. He just filled out plain and simple with natural weight, not unnecessary bulk.
For all we know hatton is on roids too !! Roids doesn't guarantee a win. It wasn't roids it was those damn fists both pac's on hattons face and hattons down by his side, If pac lost no one would care how he looked how big he is etc...If he is on the stuff and not getting caught then he better than these guys at boxing and cheating. I doubt it pac till proven otherwise is just on one right now, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
You are doing a dis-service to the hard work of boxers. Manny Pac is a growing lad and is an amazing fighter. Some people can go up the weights, he is one of them. He will not go higher than welter.
I`ve been thinking that Manny is on the juice also,nobody could believe Mosley was Juicing either,cause like Pac he is A VERY UN-ASSUMING NICE gUY,BUT i`m telling you dont put it past any athelete to look for way`s to gain the upper hand.Pac`s body has seen A transformation as of late if you ask me,and it`s got me curious also?
lol.....did u see who was next to pacman when he was coming out
it was batista...or however u spell it from wwe
he takes roids big time, maybe he was helping pac out
Batista was there because he is a Filipino... well, half-Filipino for theat matter. My first post as I cant take all the discredit you give Pac anymore. All his previous opponents were washed-up and now that you cant convince people that Hatton is washed-up you're making up stories about steroids. wow.
Clearly a disrespect for the guy's talent. Helloooooo. That is why Pac is ATG top 5,IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
Have some negative reps.:cool:
I agree completely (well, not with the top 5 ATG part, but we've been over that). Why can't Pac just be given credit for an amazing accomplishment? There's no evidence he took performance-enhancing drugs etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeClearly a disrespect for the guy's talent. Helloooooo. That is why Pac is ATG top 5,IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
Have some negative reps.:cool:
atg top 5? are you smoking crack? Pacquiao is good but he's nowhere near as good as Ali, Foreman, Robinson, Duran, Chavez, Whitaker, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeClearly a disrespect for the guy's talent. Helloooooo. That is why Pac is ATG top 5,IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
Have some negative reps.:cool:
IMO= In MY OPINIONQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesatg top 5? are you smoking crack? Pacquiao is good but he's nowhere near as good as Ali, Foreman, Robinson, Duran, Chavez, Whitaker, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeClearly a disrespect for the guy's talent. Helloooooo. That is why Pac is ATG top 5,IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
Have some negative reps.:cool:
Time will be our judge. I'm telling you, Pac is very near with chavez, whitaker, duran, ARMSTRONG, and foreman.
no, not really, the level of competition in all of those names you mentioned above was a hell of a lot better than the level of competition now, Armstrong reigned as triple weight class champion at the same time, something Manny is not doing at all, plus that was a time when a guy could weigh 130 lbs and be considered a welterweight lolQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeIMO= In MY OPINIONQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesatg top 5? are you smoking crack? Pacquiao is good but he's nowhere near as good as Ali, Foreman, Robinson, Duran, Chavez, Whitaker, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Time will be our judge. I'm telling you, Pac is very near with chavez, whitaker, duran, ARMSTRONG, and foreman.
Everyone is on ROIDS, yeah? ;D
Why can it never just be about the hard work, perseverance and a little bit of natural talent...Manny is a freak, but I'm inclined to believe it's a combination of the 3 things I mentioned before.
remember the time when EVERYONE who would lose would say that they were poisoned? :rolleyes: lolQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
That was a Tarver excuse, right? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesremember the time when EVERYONE who would lose would say that they were poisoned? :rolleyes: lolQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Didn't Hopkins use it as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThat was a Tarver excuse, right? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesremember the time when EVERYONE who would lose would say that they were poisoned? :rolleyes: lolQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
and foreman?