Is it possible maywether could be thinking...

Seeing as how 'LIL FLOYD and leonard ellerbe like to compare how certain fighters did against each other as a reasoning not to fight someone...

I.E. "didnt he score 3 knockdowns and only get a draw?" - PBF when asked about fighting PACMAN...

Isn't is possible that PBF could have convinced himself that if he comes back from a year layoff and beats the man that arguably out boxed pacman twice..that there's no need to face PACMAN, and totally forget to include the fact that PACMAN took out the fighter that went ten rounds with him in two...

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Seeing as how 'LIL FLOYD and leonard ellerbe like to compare how certain fighters did against each other as a reasoning not to fight someone...

I.E. "didnt he score 3 knockdowns and only get a draw?" - PBF when asked about fighting PACMAN...

Isn't is possible that PBF could have convinced himself that if he comes back from a year layoff and beats the man that arguably out boxed pacman twice..that there's no need to face PACMAN, and totally forget to include the fact that PACMAN took out the fighter that went ten rounds with him in two...

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I don't think he'd use it to avoid Pacquiao, but he'd use it to hype the fight between them and say he is still p4p the best.

If he says "People say that Pacquiao beat Hatton more impressively then I did. That's cool. But Hatton had no chance with him, just like he had no chance with me. But I beat the guy, that handed Pacquiao his ass twice. So in my eyes, I'm still p4p the best and if he wants that title, he'll have to come and take it, it's money mayweather."

Marquez fought Pacquiao to a standstill twice, so if I'm Floyd I'm thinking if I beat this guy in my 1st fight back no one can deny I'm number one!!!

Makes a Pacquiao fight a whole lot more attractive imo!!!

Whoever wins Mayweather/ Marquez (I think Marquez has a chance to pull of the upset) needs to then face Pacquiao to settle any despites!!!

IMO Mayweather still has the more impressive resume

I expect PBF to win via a wide boring UD ... and how PBF will spin that out to PAC?

"Well PAC can only manage a draw and a split decision against JMM while me (PBF) schooled Marquez totally..." ;)

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I expect PBF to win via a wide boring UD ... and how PBF will spin that out to PAC?

"Well PAC can only manage a draw and a split decision against JMM while me (PBF) schooled Marquez totally..." ;)

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how's Pac gonna spin his last two victories on PBF?

"i beat Mayweather's leftovers, and ehh both were fights he took while he kept talking about retirement, ehhh" lol

i'm just pullin your leg SB ;D

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I expect PBF to win via a wide boring UD ... and how PBF will spin that out to PAC?

"Well PAC can only manage a draw and a split decision against JMM while me (PBF) schooled Marquez totally..." ;)

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how's Pac gonna spin his last two victories on PBF?

"i beat Mayweather's leftovers, and ehh both were fights he took while he kept talking about retirement, ehhh" lol

i'm just pullin your leg SB ;D

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No need to spin those wins... I never heard PAC referring to his past fights... Unlike Hatton ... "I demolished Tszyu when no one expected me to do so..." ;)
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I expect PBF to win via a wide boring UD ... and how PBF will spin that out to PAC?

"Well PAC can only manage a draw and a split decision against JMM while me (PBF) schooled Marquez totally..." ;)

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Even if he does beat Marquez, nobody can deny that one fighter is fighting two weight classes outside of what he should be....and the opponent is PBF and not a weight drained Oscar. :-\

This fight is arguably the best fighter in the world vs the former comebacking best fighter in the world! I see it being a very competitive bout! Those that say Marquez doesn't have a chance but still want to see Pac take on Mayweather just crack me up. IMO Marquez won both Pacquiao fights, I rate Pac #1 P4P only because he got the decision in the 2nd fight... if anyone thinks Marquez doesn't have a chance here I hope they also feel that Pacquiao should stay well clear of Mayweather too!!! Or it would seem a be of a double standard to me!

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I expect PBF to win via a wide boring UD ... and how PBF will spin that out to PAC?

"Well PAC can only manage a draw and a split decision against JMM while me (PBF) schooled Marquez totally..." ;)

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Even if he does beat Marquez, nobody can deny that one fighter is fighting two weight classes outside of what he should be....and the opponent is PBF and not a weight drained Oscar. :-\

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JMM gets all the credits in going up and fighting PBF... but he's a 4 to 1 underdog and I don't see him winning this fight...

BTW no one knew beforehand that Hoya is that weight drained... In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique...;D and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...
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I expect PBF to win via a wide boring UD ... and how PBF will spin that out to PAC?

"Well PAC can only manage a draw and a split decision against JMM while me (PBF) schooled Marquez totally..." ;)

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Even if he does beat Marquez, nobody can deny that one fighter is fighting two weight classes outside of what he should be....and the opponent is PBF and not a weight drained Oscar. :-\

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JMM gets all the credits in going up and fighting PBF... but he's a 4 to 1 underdog and I don't see him winning this fight...

BTW no one knew beforehand that Hoya is that weight drained... In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique...;D and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...
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what are you talking about? that's what the main conversation was leading up to the fight, the main question was, if DLH would be able to make 147 without killing himself, the answer, no he wasn't able to

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Even if he does beat Marquez, nobody can deny that one fighter is fighting two weight classes outside of what he should be....and the opponent is PBF and not a weight drained Oscar. :-\

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JMM gets all the credits in going up and fighting PBF... but he's a 4 to 1 underdog and I don't see him winning this fight...

BTW no one knew beforehand that Hoya is that weight drained... In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique...;D and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...
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what are you talking about? that's what the main conversation was leading up to the fight, the main question was, if DLH would be able to make 147 without killing himself, the answer, no he wasn't able to

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Yes that was Team PAC's equalizer for the massive size, height and reach advantage of Hoya... Take note, it's equalizer... People still see the fight heavily favoring Hoya (2 to 1 favorite) and they did not predicted that Hoya will be THAT weight drained... People expected Hoya to be weight drained but not THAT weight drained...;D

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JMM gets all the credits in going up and fighting PBF... but he's a 4 to 1 underdog and I don't see him winning this fight...

BTW no one knew beforehand that Hoya is that weight drained... In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique...;D and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...
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what are you talking about? that's what the main conversation was leading up to the fight, the main question was, if DLH would be able to make 147 without killing himself, the answer, no he wasn't able to

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Yes that was Team PAC's equalizer for the massive size, height and reach advantage of Hoya... Take note, it's equalizer... People still see the fight heavily favoring Hoya (2 to 1 favorite) and they did not predicted that Hoya will be THAT weight drained... People expected Hoya to be weight drained but not THAT weight drained...;D

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What ever happened to your thread of pics you put up anyway...the one making Oscars frail appearence a topic.....:kebab:.And to think I almost bought a used 98 Accord off of your car lot :-X

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JMM gets all the credits in going up and fighting PBF... but he's a 4 to 1 underdog and I don't see him winning this fight...

BTW no one knew beforehand that Hoya is that weight drained... In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique...;D and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...
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what are you talking about? that's what the main conversation was leading up to the fight, the main question was, if DLH would be able to make 147 without killing himself, the answer, no he wasn't able to

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Yes that was Team PAC's equalizer for the massive size, height and reach advantage of Hoya... Take note, it's equalizer... People still see the fight heavily favoring Hoya (2 to 1 favorite) and they did not predicted that Hoya will be THAT weight drained... People expected Hoya to be weight drained but not THAT weight drained...;D

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Actually, DLH tore his body up so much to get down that he couldn't even get his weight back properly as on fight night he weighed 145, less than Pac. Roach pointed out that DLH have IV marks and that is a desparation attempt to hydrate someone. Before the ring entrance no one knew but DLH knew he was doomed.

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How so? I am the biggest mAYWEATHER fan on here, but his two biggest wins were against Hatton and Oscar and Pacquiao beat them both worse along with beating Marquez, Barrera and Morales. Not to mention a whole slew of other solid fighters.

Both have a great resume, but Pacquiao's is clearly better even IMO before he fought De La Hoya and Hatton.

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what are you talking about? that's what the main conversation was leading up to the fight, the main question was, if DLH would be able to make 147 without killing himself, the answer, no he wasn't able to

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Yes that was Team PAC's equalizer for the massive size, height and reach advantage of Hoya... Take note, it's equalizer... People still see the fight heavily favoring Hoya (2 to 1 favorite) and they did not predicted that Hoya will be THAT weight drained... People expected Hoya to be weight drained but not THAT weight drained...;D

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Actually, DLH tore his body up so much to get down that he couldn't even get his weight back properly as on fight night he weighed 145, less than Pac. Roach pointed out that DLH have IV marks and that is a desparation attempt to hydrate someone. Before the ring entrance no one knew but DLH knew he was doomed.

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He weighed a pound more than Pac in the ring actually. And I think he still probably had more muscle, he just didn't get fluids back into his system quick or effective enough. People make excuses but a great fighter like De La Hoya will put on a good show against anyone but the very best even under circumstances of duress, all great fighters do.

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This fight is arguably the best fighter in the world vs the former comebacking best fighter in the world! I see it being a very competitive bout! Those that say Marquez doesn't have a chance but still want to see Pac take on Mayweather just crack me up. IMO Marquez won both Pacquiao fights, I rate Pac #1 P4P only because he got the decision in the 2nd fight... if anyone thinks Marquez doesn't have a chance here I hope they also feel that Pacquiao should stay well clear of Mayweather too!!! Or it would seem a be of a double standard to me!

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I'm just worried about Marquez's ring years. He's no young pup anymore. But I think he has a good chance to pull a spoiler against Mayweather.
Mayweather is the old R.J.J.: he's too damn fast and defensively virtuosic, so its hard to come to a conclusion on the chin factor.
I can't see Marquez not landing a blow on Mayweather. When that happens, the true story will be told.

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How so? I am the biggest mAYWEATHER fan on here, but his two biggest wins were against Hatton and Oscar and Pacquiao beat them both worse along with beating Marquez, Barrera and Morales. Not to mention a whole slew of other solid fighters.

Both have a great resume, but Pacquiao's is clearly better even IMO before he fought De La Hoya and Hatton.

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Those were PBF biggest money wins...his wins over, castillo, corrales, hernadez, chavez, manfredy were more impressive than the win over hatton...and the commercial delahoya victory was just young champ against fading champ for money IMO...

pac has two wins over morrales, barrera, and on paper one over JMM..but the asterix on morrales is once zahir raheem gave him a thorough boxing lesson he was done, evidence in him not winning another fight afterwards.

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BTW no one knew beforehand that Hoya is that weight drained... In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique...;D and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...

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You really are delusional.
ODLH hadn't fought at 147 in over 6 years.

What are you blind?
I clearly said ODLH would be a corpse and he'd lose badly.

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You're only blinded

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Funny that YOU above all people uses this term.
You are not blinded, You have both of your eye sockets EMPTY.

You can't see daylight if you flew straight towards the sun, riding shot gun in a shuttle.

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So in my eyes, I'm still p4p the best and if he wants that title, he'll have to come and take it, it's money mayweather."

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Which means hed still have to fight him:rolleyes:

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BTW no one knew beforehand that Hoya is that weight drained... In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique...;D and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...

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You really are delusional.
ODLH hadn't fought at 147 in over 6 years.

What are you blind?
I clearly said ODLH would be a corpse and he'd lose badly.

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ODLH fought at 150 just 6 months prior to PAC fight... I already explained this and I will repeat this again for your convenience... I knew that Hoya will be weight drained since I picked PAC to win and part of the reason is Hoya being weight drained BUT no one knew that Hoya will be THAT badly fucked up making weight... No one will really know not until the fight...;)

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You're only blinded

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Funny that YOU above all people uses this term.
You are not blinded, You have both of your eye sockets EMPTY.

You can't see daylight if you flew straight towards the sun, riding shot gun in a shuttle.

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:o :o :o <<<--- Lucky for these guys, they still have complete set of eye sockets...
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I've said this before but - assuming he beats Marquez - Mayweather has to fight Pacquiao.

If he does not then posterity will consider Manny the best ffighter of his generation. If Floyd comes out of retirement and beats Manny to take back his lb4lb title then he will be the greatest fighter of his generation and unbeaten to boot.

Mayweather has always been concerned about his legacy and he will NOT want to be seen as the second best fighter of his era. He has to fight Pac and he has to win - it means everything to him and I think that part of the reason he is fighting Marquez first is because what better way to prove that he really is and always has been the man than by coming out of retirement and beating first the no2 lb4lb fighter and then beating the no1. (BTW I am not saying that these fights are a foregone conclusion, just guessing that this is Mayweather's thinking).

Put simply, no way is Floyd ducking Manny - he can't afford not to fight him if he wants to be considered the greatest fighter of his era... And he does want this, he wants this so bad he is coming out of retirement and risking his undefeated record to try to get it. Despite what a lot of people say about him ducking fights, that my friends shows balls.

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Seeing as how 'LIL FLOYD and leonard ellerbe like to compare how certain fighters did against each other as a reasoning not to fight someone...

I.E. "didnt he score 3 knockdowns and only get a draw?" - PBF when asked about fighting PACMAN...

Isn't is possible that PBF could have convinced himself that if he comes back from a year layoff and beats the man that arguably out boxed pacman twice..that there's no need to face PACMAN, and totally forget to include the fact that PACMAN took out the fighter that went ten rounds with him in two...

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I don't think he'd use it to avoid Pacquiao, but he'd use it to hype the fight between them and say he is still p4p the best.

If he says "People say that Pacquiao beat Hatton more impressively then I did. That's cool. But Hatton had no chance with him, just like he had no chance with me. But I beat the guy, that handed Pacquiao his ass twice. So in my eyes, I'm still p4p the best and if he wants that title, he'll have to come and take it, it's money mayweather."

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Damn dude! It's like you are Floyd Mayweather! That's exactly something he would do!

I can see this fight happening exactly the same way as the first Mayweather- Castillo fight with Marquez doing most of the work and catching Floyd with the better shots but Mayweather getting a dodgy decision. They'll rematch at the end of the year and Floyd will totally school him.

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How so? I am the biggest mAYWEATHER fan on here, but his two biggest wins were against Hatton and Oscar and Pacquiao beat them both worse along with beating Marquez, Barrera and Morales. Not to mention a whole slew of other solid fighters.

Both have a great resume, but Pacquiao's is clearly better even IMO before he fought De La Hoya and Hatton.

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and Mayweather has wins against

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales (when he was undefeated and was picked to beat Floyd, went on to rule the lightweight division)
Carlos "El Famoso" Hernandez (went on to become the IBF super featherweight champion)
Jesus Chavez (went on to win the WBC super featherweight title, and IBF lightweight title)
Jose Luis Castillo (twice) (went on to rule the lightweight division)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Oscar De La Hoya (at 154 and when he had a lot more left than his fight against PAC)
Ricky Hatton (when he was undefeated, and IMO PBF pulled a Tito and pretty much ruined him)

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How so? I am the biggest mAYWEATHER fan on here, but his two biggest wins were against Hatton and Oscar and Pacquiao beat them both worse along with beating Marquez, Barrera and Morales. Not to mention a whole slew of other solid fighters.

Both have a great resume, but Pacquiao's is clearly better even IMO before he fought De La Hoya and Hatton.

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Very true.

I'm sick of Mayweather cherry picking his opponent. I believe Roach is right when he said "Floyd picked Marquez, he couldn't wait one day. I think he's afraid to fight Pacquiao".

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Until the night before the fight where Freddy Roach saw how ODLH was badly weight drained and told Pac to just go get him since ODLH had nothing to bring to the ring. He was right. Oscar didn't do anything really but receive punches.

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In fact Hoya enjoying being a 2 to 1 favorite... As I've said, stop reading too much into that fight... You're only blinded by Hoya's skeletal physique... and fail to appreciate what PAC has done impressively in that fight...

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Put it this way. Remember Oliver McCall vs Lennox Lewis? On their first fight all it took was a single punch to the jaw to bring Lewis down. Then comes the rematch, Oliver McCall didn't do anything whatsoever but just take punches until it was decided that the fight shouln't go on. Can we really say that Oliver McCall brought the best out of Lewis on that 2nd fight? No way. Same thing with ODLH vs Pac. If ODLH went in there with the arsenal he had in his prime and then lost convincingly then yeah, I would be impressed with Pac's performance but not vs a moving punching bag. Can't really say "moving" punching bag when ODLH barely did that.

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Actually, DLH tore his body up so much to get down that he couldn't even get his weight back properly as on fight night he weighed 145, less than Pac. Roach pointed out that DLH have IV marks and that is a desparation attempt to hydrate someone. Before the ring entrance no one knew but DLH knew he was doomed

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ODLH looked great even when he lost vs Mosley 1 and Hopkins. He was using all the tricks in his bag, top shape, etc. With Pac, I was surprised I didn't see ANYTHING from him at all.

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I've said this before but - assuming he beats Marquez - Mayweather has to fight Pacquiao.

If he does not then posterity will consider Manny the best ffighter of his generation. If Floyd comes out of retirement and beats Manny to take back his lb4lb title then he will be the greatest fighter of his generation and unbeaten to boot.

Mayweather has always been concerned about his legacy and he will NOT want to be seen as the second best fighter of his era. He has to fight Pac and he has to win - it means everything to him and I think that part of the reason he is fighting Marquez first is because what better way to prove that he really is and always has been the man than by coming out of retirement and beating first the no2 lb4lb fighter and then beating the no1. (BTW I am not saying that these fights are a foregone conclusion, just guessing that this is Mayweather's thinking).

Put simply, no way is Floyd ducking Manny - he can't afford not to fight him if he wants to be considered the greatest fighter of his era... And he does want this, he wants this so bad he is coming out of retirement and risking his undefeated record to try to get it. Despite what a lot of people say about him ducking fights, that my friends shows balls.

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Ah..ha! I see.... so he's not ducking Mosley again? (Good point, dude!)

Manny Pac has fought out of the comfort zone and weight, Mayweather could have fought a true welter instead of asking JMM to fight at a weight he has never fought at. Floyd gets no credit from me for this. He would get my respect for fighting men in his own weight like Shane and Cotto. He will hide behind the money argument and a year out but it is all the same BS from Floyd which people buy into. He is a joke.

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If he says "People say that Pacquiao beat Hatton more impressively then I did. That's cool. But Hatton had no chance with him, just like he had no chance with me. But I beat the guy, that handed Pacquiao his ass twice. So in my eyes, I'm still p4p the best and if he wants that title, he'll have to come and take it, it's money mayweather."

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Im not sure about that ;D (in reference to myself)