Who did Hatton ever beat?

If Hatton supporters are to be believed, Tszyu was Overrated. Therefore, who did Ricky Hatton ever beat then. As for Tszyu and his overrated career, he was world champions in the years 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and I suppose got lucky with weak mandatories..Since Tszyu is way overrated according to some, in what way is perhaps his second biggest victory Castillo better than Tszyu. Outside these two guys, is there anybody else of significance interms of being a top line opponnet, and Why. Tszyus oppenets are obviiously overrated, and he got LUCKY on his way to holding a belt for ten years. Hatton has obviously done better things to some.

Clearly this other thread has all the answers

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...b-fighter.html

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

If Hatton supporters are to be believed, Tszyu was Overrated. Therefore, who did Ricky Hatton ever beat then. As for Tszyu and his overrated career, he was world champions in the years 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and I suppose got lucky with weak mandatories oer TEN years.

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Go back to the Kosta site mate where you can all have group fun talking about your hero, like the majoirty of people have stated over and over Kosta has not really beat any elite fighters no sorry i know for a fact he beat no elite fighters anywhere near there prime, sad but true, this aint a compitition between Hatton and Kosta this is a general observation about Kostas career.

Therefore it would be safe to assume Ricky Hatton never beat a top top fighter, only a very good one who was overrated. I go where I please. So if beating Tszyu wasnt all that, what then infact has Hatton Ever done?

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

Therefore it would be safe to assume Ricky Hatton never beat a top top fighter, only a very good one who was overrated. I go where I please. So if beating Tszyu wasnt all that, what then infact has Hatton Ever done?

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Errr yes id agree with that Hatton beat a very good fighter who maybe over rated is the wrong word to use but a fighter who didnt really beat any real elite fighters, Hatton had a decent career and fought two all time greats and fell short he won a world title in two divisons he did ok, but like i said noone here thinks Hatton is some god of boxing we here at Saddos talk the truth and unfortunalty for you its not what you want to hear.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Errr yes id agree with that Hatton beat a very good fighter who maybe over rated is the wrong word to use but a fighter who didnt really beat any real elite fighters, Hatton had a decent career and fought two all time greats and fell short he won a world title in two divisons he did ok, but like i said noone here thinks Hatton is some god of boxing we here at Saddos talk the truth and unfortunalty for you its not what you want to hear.

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Couldn't agree more. Hatton beat a very good fighter, but not an elite one. Does that make Hatton overrated? no, because I don't rate Hatton as elite either.

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

Therefore it would be safe to assume Ricky Hatton never beat a top top fighter, only a very good one who was overrated. I go where I please. So if beating Tszyu wasnt all that, what then infact has Hatton Ever done?

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No Hatton has never beaten a top prime fighter. Yes Hatton is overrated. And no, Hatton hasn't done much. You already know that. So stop asking the same fukking question over and over. Your biitch ass is fukking annoying.

Certainly, Tszyu was a very good fighter. Winning a world title and holding it against mandatories for even one year is a significant achievement in boxing. Hatton has done that, and quite abit more. As for Tszyu, thats probably the biggest knock on his career, he beat other very good, somewhat Excellent fighters when the guys were peaked up, but none of them were Great. The Chavez fight, although he was mandatory no1 contender, he was by average standards JUST a good fighter, which is a far cry from when he was actually a GREAT fighter. Noone thinks otherwise. It was just a plain madatory as far as accomplishment, and for his trouble, Tszyu gets his name on his resume, no more.

The question with Tszyu, was he was THE PICK, of some excellent, though not great boxers. Who was excellent when they could actually fight. Most notably I would say Gonzalez was definety an excellent boxer when they fought, who actually had a significant reign at lightweight, never the same afterwards. Ruelas, although De La Hoya smashed him, was a fighter of significance if ypuve actually seen him outside that fight, and was certainly an excellent fighter. Hurtado, way underrated for how good he was, was at that time an excellent boxer, who faded away. Sharmba Mitchell was an excellent boxer in his Prime when Tszyu beat him. He was the the no1 boxer in then boxings toughest division the 2nd time round, but I think both guys were starting to get older. The fight ended so early, it never became a factor, but Tszyu did him after a lengthy injury layoff.

I would rate Zab Judah on the CUSP of being an excellent fighter, as his later career has shown him far from excellent. That said he is certainly a very good boxer, and what he has done that some of the other guys I said were top draw haven't, was WIN the Undisputed Welterweight champoinship. He was also at his best when he fought Tszyu.

The very good fighters Tszyu beat who were top mandatories, or world champions at some point...........the list is very long.

Some say, Tszyu being the pick of these really good fighters for such a long time, by weight of the volume of fights, he is alltime top 3 140 pounds. In the same breath, many would say he never fought a trully great fighter in their Prime. True, though the counter argument was HE WAS the truly great fighter when there were none others infront of him. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.

He was a Great fighter in the 140 division, and he has his unique place. He wasn't a great fighter interms of trancending that role, going up the weights and beating other top top fighters. I suppose Mitchell was in the top ten p4p second time they fought, but he was an excellent fighter at his best, though Never Great. Judah was ranked in the top ten p4p when he was dismantled, but again, although he was projected to be a great fighter at the time, he never became one. On his best day he was an Excellent fighter.

On Tszyus best day, he never beat a great fighter, he beat numerous Excellent fighters. There is a difference. Over the course of his lengthy reign, that was a Great accomplishment, yes. Thats half the equation of being great. I would give credence to your opinion then that the truth is somewhere inbetween for Tszyu. He was supposed to fight De La Hoya before he lost to Phillips. He had a great chance of winning. He was also supposed to fight the winner of Mayweather Gatti, another shot at the fights Ricky had fighting the best at the time, and came up short. Some guys could say, Hatton was just a fitness guy who over powered opponents inside. I would say he too is an excellent fighter, who's strength was inside brawling. He used to come inside with underated skill. Alltime at 140, Tszyu is rated above Hatton given the length of his reign. Head to head, Hatton bettered him. Historically, that evens the ledger abit.

Is Tszyu a great fighter? He's a great 140 pounder who was the best in the division for a decade. He is what you would call a defacto great champion, as projection of what he could've maybe done head to head against other great boxers will never be known. De La Hoya now has a tag as never being a trully great fighter because he lost alot of big fights. At one stage, yes, he certainly was great, and he fought the greater opposition, and LOST almost all of them when the other guys were at their best. Who would win Tszyu v De L a Hoya, we'll never know. Could've been quite close.

Maybe Tszyu is one of the most high profile fighters to never fight a great fighter. He was certainly better than the many excellent fighters he bettered. Hatton beat him. It wasnt Tszyu best performance, but he lost and was still an OK version of himself. I dont know where Hatton will stand alltime at 140. Thats up to him if he wants to do more. He has the style that doesnt typically fight into mid 30s though. I would assume if he fights again, he wont fight on for that long a time. They are different type of fighters, Tszyu and Hatton. I would personally like to see Hatton do a touch more for pride, and go out with a world title fight.

I have balanced the commentary here, away from the best beating. You may care to differ. A great 140 pound fighter, better than some really good boxers he fought over time yes. A defacto great........perhaps. He has his own place as a great 140 pounder certainly if nothing else. What he could've potentially done against other great fighters is projection. The truth is somewhere in between about Tszyu, that partly adds to his mystique and why sone can talk about how good was this guy really long after the fact. Hatton beat him, will probably be his best achievent in boxing, so in that sense he derives alot of credibility off that win.

QUOTE: No Hatton has never beaten a top prime fighter. Yes Hatton is overrated. And no, Hatton hasn't done much. You already know that. So stop asking the same fukking question over and over. Your biitch ass is fukking annoying.

Other guys told me to shut up, but your the only one to abuse me. Therefore them other guys are fine with me, but I'm glad to have annoyed YOU :cool::cool:

And for them other guys, I listened to what you said, and have given he most honest assessment in relation to the facts as I see them in the thread above. Tszyu wasn't Overrated, but he was in some ways a great fighter by way of being a great 140 pounder beating some excellent fighters, and in other ways, he never was a great figher interms of beating other great fighters when they where in their prime. He's a great 140 pounder, an on the Cusp of being a great outside of that. Although his resume is long and impressive, he lacks that other side to the coin in beating at least one other great fighter when they were prime. That sort of adds to the mystique of Tszyu in how he can be debated.

I've said my peace, hoped to have given a more balanced assessment these last two posts. Hatton beat a top fighter. How good was he......who really knows, which is the point you try to make. Cheers..

Must be good to just cut and paste all day long, can you try another subject maybe, honestly this one is just becoming boring:cool::cool::cool:

This is getting fucking boring. Can you start talking about something else or even keep it all in the one thread? :rolleyes:

I hear you, I'm wrapping it up anyway by giving you guys a better balanced report, not just the chest beating. Alot of Hatton's prestige is derived off of beating the best opponent he has defeated to date Tszyu. On balance in defferement to some of the suggestions, that what I wrote..

It's all winding down on my end. I came here originally wanting to see what was going on after the Pacquiao fight. As for Hatton and Tszyu, that what I had to say.

Noted :cool:

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

I hear you, I'm wrapping it up anyway by giving you guys a better balanced report, not just the chest beating. Alot of Hatton's prestige is derived off of beating the best opponent he has defeated to date Tszyu. On balance in defferement to some of the suggestions, that what I wrote..

It's all winding down on my end. I came here originally wanting to see what was going on after the Pacquiao fight. As for Hatton and Tszyu, that what I had to say.

Noted :cool:

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Nothing wrong with a point of view, I can carp on myself about certain things. It just seems everyday there is a new thread or two talking about this. That's all.

I'm turning down the endless banter. I actually like Hatton, and for the most part, many Hatton supporters have respect for Tszyu. True some of the Pacquiao clips were abit humbling, but you've got to be in it to win it. He gave it his best shot, and lost to two great fighters. The Pacquiao fight in particular, I don't think Pacquiao is THAT much better than Hatton to the degree we saw, more the style of Pacquiao made it seem worse being a southpaw. They are two different style of fighters.

Yeah, I went abit over board having my say. This site is for you guys anyway..I hope Hatton fights on and retires with one of the recognised 140 titles honestly. He's been good value for the sport :cool:

The man is so maligned, and inconveniently so, when he is at an ebb career-wise. Gives me shivers...

Some individuals can be insignificantlty incessant, yet a response is vital. Indifference to these shall harm a reputation built through skill and perseverance, one such as Ricky Hatton's.

I thought the vid link below would rather be a better response to prevent a back and forth which will be emminent, and avoid assuredly meaningless chatter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3MQ5thzfYI

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

The man is so maligned, and inconveniently so, when he is at an ebb career-wise. Gives me shivers...

Some individuals can be insignificantlty incessant, yet a response is vital. Indifference to these shall harm a reputation built through skill and perseverance, one such as Ricky Hatton's.

I thought the vid link below would rather be a better response to prevent a back and forth which will be emminent, and avoid assuredly meaningless chatter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3MQ5thzfYI

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Nice video.

It was a relatively good clip. It showed the sad contrast of a hurt fighter, then puts perspective for all the other good things he has done. It was at time errie, and the end, like a guy looking into the headlights of a future unknown. Not a bad clip, better than words I think too ;)

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

It was a relatively good clip. It showed the sad contrast of a hurt fighter, then puts perspective for all the other good things he has done. It was at time errie, and the end, like a guy looking into the headlights of a future unknown. Not a bad clip, better than words I think too ;)

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Ive always liked Tzsyu,hell of a fighter.But Ruelas was shot to bits and going up did little to enhance his two left feet and matchstick chin,was ripe for the picken with Kostya.What did you think of the Lopez fight?

There is a story behind the Lopez fight. In the middle of the fight Tszyu starts complaining to his corner he feels usually tired. It was confirmed he was badly dehydrated, and he was using a proper nutritionist thereafter. Lopez was neck and neck with a bad performing Tszyu. I suppose you may have thrown that out there in reference to Lopez's relatively good showing, and Tszyu looking awful. He won the judges favour in a country where if any favour was going to be given it would be to Lopez.

Apparently then IBF champion Jake Rodriugez thought Tszyu was perhaps not as much as he was made out to be. 13 seconds into the fight, if that, he drops southpaw Rodrieguez clean with a wickedly fast punch. The commentators then are saying, all those comments regarding Tszyu prefight, they weren't kidding.

Yes, one of Tszyu's worst ever performances, though he got the nod. The Phillips fight was another story about being in and out of court, but again, he just lost to the better fighter on the night and made adjustments to how he approached fights there on. It cost Tszyu alot, as he was set to fight De La Hoya if he won. He had a great chance of beating Oscar, and if they did fight, the talk of whether or not he was great or not would soon become a mute issue. I can tell you definetively, Team Tszyu were very confident of taking out a Prime De La Hoya, and Tszyu had Oscars full attention. Arum has spoken of Oscars reverance of Tszyu as he was fully in tune with the rather fast, power punching agressive fighter he was back then.

Phillips took him out, and that is history. So he was stopped of that Super stardom thrust, but credit to him, he reivented himself as a champion. Thereafter, that stigma of losing to Phillips hung around Tszyu with U.S. commentators for ages. He only gets alot of acclaim in the end, when the body of his work is telling.

He held a world title from each of the years 95-05.

Yes, he sucked against Lopez, he lost to Phillips, and he lost to Hatton. In regard to Ruelas, the fight is on youtube. Ruelas was still a good fighter, as was Gonzalez in particular, and both got destroyed badly from two very strong performances from Tszyu.


Back to Ricky Hatton, he does what he has done. I think retiring with a world title, and on his own terms would be beneficial. He still has to recover, and prove he still wants it. If he isn't fully committed, he will get beat. If he is in it or one last proper send off, he has a good chance to out the way he would prefer.

Noone like to see a guy hurt like that at the end of a fight. Pacquaio hit him as clean as you can with good speed and relative power. Health issues are a concern when you fight. I suppose that is what he is deciding with some time away.

I neg repped simply because you have 68 posts here so far, and about 60 %, possibly more have just been trying to bring down a fighter... I don't mind people bagging ANY fighter.. But when it seems it's the only thing they have to offer, it's detracting from our great site.. The best boxing forum in the world, and you gotta bring your standard up a little bit...

Anyway, hope you have more to offer and once you've got this hatton stuff of your chest you can give some good input on other topics.. Then i'll positive rep you to balance things out..

Kostateam, why do you have such a high Fetishism about Hatton? I can understand that you're a very high Kosta fan but your relentless remarks about how Kosta was the better are starting to worry me. No matter what you think, who cares of Kosta is better or worst ranked than Hatton in the end? Your constant obsession about this topic is dangerously starting to look like a clinical case.

I've been around other boxing forums for ages. It's the way it goes, if you say something to your beliefs, then the other guy says the opposite, and the truth is somewhere in between on balance, given what perspective one takes, this sort of banter often happens in forums, particularly with opponents in common, or as direct opponents themselves in the ring, and in achievement etc.

Hatton made the super fights with PBF and Hatton entertaining on 24 7. I suppose their have been some funny clips put out at his expense. Not so funny if he's your most followed fighter. Hatton has gotten alot of backing from quite afew quarters on the Tszyu forum. Other guys never got over the type of fight it was.

More to the present day, Hatton is of interest coming off the last Super fight in boxing. He was hurt, so that wasn't good to see. I did tip Pacquaio by decision, as I believed Mayweather showed a fast straight cross can work against Ricky if he comes straight in. The only reason I tipped Pacquiao was because he was a SOUTHPAW, but I blame Mayweather Sr alot for the gameplan.

It is fact you can train a guy who is a pressure fighter to negate the right hook, which is a dangerous weapon from the southpaw stance. Mayweather Sr should've had Ricky focussing on the lead right hand, and timing his movements off of it. Too many times he was squared up, He needed to actually move laterally alot, and feignt with hand uo to close distance.

Anyway, you can safely assume Mayweathers services will not be reemployed. If Pacquaio was a right handed, I don't think he would be as effective as Mayweather was honestly.

It wasn't his day, that all..

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

I've been around other boxing forums for ages. It's the way it goes, if you say something to your beliefs, then the other guy says the opposite, and the truth is somewhere in between on balance, given what perspective one takes, this sort of banter often happens in forums, particularly with opponents in common, or as direct opponents themselves in the ring, and in achievement etc.

Hatton made the super fights with PBF and Hatton entertaining on 24 7. I suppose their have been some funny clips put out at his expense. Not so funny if he's your most followed fighter. Hatton has gotten alot of backing from quite afew quarters on the Tszyu forum. Other guys never got over the type of fight it was.

More to the present day, Hatton is of interest coming off the last Super fight in boxing. He was hurt, so that wasn't good to see. I did tip Pacquaio by decision, as I believed Mayweather showed a fast straight cross can work against Ricky if he comes straight in. The only reason I tipped Pacquiao was because he was a SOUTHPAW, but I blame Mayweather Sr alot for the gameplan.

It is fact you can train a guy who is a pressure fighter to negate the right hook, which is a dangerous weapon from the southpaw stance. Mayweather Sr should've had Ricky focussing on the lead right hand, and timing his movements off of it. Too many times he was squared up, He needed to actually move laterally alot, and feignt with hand uo to close distance.

Anyway, you can safely assume Mayweathers services will not be reemployed. If Pacquaio was a right handed, I don't think he would be as effective as Mayweather was honestly.

It wasn't his day, that all..

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Yeah, we all saw the fight laughable attempt.....Go away......I'm going to call PETA and have them file charges against you for animal abuse:beatdeadhorse: Seek help Kostya; I think Saddo is starting a Saddo Suicide Hotline, maybe it'll help you:)

No..Hatton is perhaps in the top 12 alltime 140 fighters. Thats a sensational achievement for Hatton. Tszyu is in the top 2 greatest 140 pound fighters ever.

Kostya was right to be had BY THE BETTER FIGHTER ON THE NIGHT. I will Never Get Over It, after what you pulled, with a shody Ref papering over the facts he doesn't deduct a point for a very low blow that turned the fight against an old man, but sees fit TO GET STRICT not considering a belt line punch a knock down.

The evidence..........has Paris ever reffed a big time fight since of consequence!!

HATTON WAS THE BETTER FIGHTER..........now give me the suicide hotline no. :D

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

No..Hatton is perhaps in the top 12 alltime 140 fighters. Thats a sensational achievement for Hatton. Tszyu is in the top 2 greatest 140 pound fighters ever.

Kostya was right to be had BY THE BETTER FIGHTER ON THE NIGHT. I will Never Get Over It, after what you pulled, with a shody Ref papering over the facts he doesn't deduct a point for a very low blow that turned the fight against an old man, but sees fit TO GET STRICT not considering a belt line punch a knock down.

The evidence..........has Paris ever reffed a big time fight since of consequence!!

HATTON WAS THE BETTER FIGHTER..........now give me the suicide hotline no. :D

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I think Benitez and Pryor beat him at 140. Cervantes, Barney Ross and Canzoneri all have claims to be above him (I didn't say there were - I said they had claims ;))

I said that all in jest about Hatton top 12 btw. I actually dont know where he will rank alltime top 140, as his career isn't over yet.

Wilfred Benitez was certainly a great hall of fame fighter. He did lose to the other superstars of his day, Kostya lost to Hatton, though Philips, he just got had by the better guy on the night, as was Hatton, though noone thinks Phillios is actually better.

Just happens like that..

I think certain guys whon have campaigned at 140, didnt do so long enough to take the no2 spot from Kostya. Pryor beat a Great smaller hall of fame fighter in Argeullo. Thats all. He was spectacular, though could last 10 years at the top, as he did try to come back. He was a huge threat, and wanted to go up to fight Leonard, but Leonard avoided him.

I would have Chavez higher than Benitez, as I think he did more work at 140, though Chavez will be considered greater alltime, most probably, he didnt do as much as Tszyu at 140. Whittaker also fought there, for a whole 1-2 fights, they dont really rate at the weight.

I suspect Hatton will be inside the top 10 140 alltime when its all said and done. As for Pryor, he publicly acknowledges Tszyu as the OTHER standout 140 fighter, though feels he cannot forgive him for quitting, even if he was going to lose. He thought should lose trying to the very end.

Pryor doesnt know what its like to fight that long, and these are comments Tszyu used to make of preffering to die in the ring, obviously something changed. It was said by Tszyu, he never quit anything in his life, and then to retire on his stool no protest as hos corner waved it off. Sometimes who you are, you are humbled with the opposite.

He took the loss and critisicm like A MAN, better than some of his fans :cool::cool:

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

QUOTE: No Hatton has never beaten a top prime fighter. Yes Hatton is overrated. And no, Hatton hasn't done much. You already know that. So stop asking the same fukking question over and over. Your biitch ass is fukking annoying.

Other guys told me to shut up, but your the only one to abuse me. Therefore them other guys are fine with me, but I'm glad to have annoyed YOU :cool::cool:

And for them other guys, I listened to what you said, and have given he most honest assessment in relation to the facts as I see them in the thread above. Tszyu wasn't Overrated, but he was in some ways a great fighter by way of being a great 140 pounder beating some excellent fighters, and in other ways, he never was a great figher interms of beating other great fighters when they where in their prime. He's a great 140 pounder, an on the Cusp of being a great outside of that. Although his resume is long and impressive, he lacks that other side to the coin in beating at least one other great fighter when they were prime. That sort of adds to the mystique of Tszyu in how he can be debated.

I've said my peace, hoped to have given a more balanced assessment these last two posts. Hatton beat a top fighter. How good was he......who really knows, which is the point you try to make. Cheers..

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I don't believe you. Something tells me you get abused pretty regularly

HAHAHA...anyway.....I looked up Benitez. I knew he was a great fighter, but uncertain as to how long he was at 140. He defended the belt 3-4 times. Therefore at 140, he's ranked below Tszyu.

He is definetly a great hall of fame fighter though, 3 weight class champion. Look, I think Hatton has a case for doing more at 140.


I like that Marquez Mayweather pic btw..funny

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

HAHAHA...anyway.....I looked up Benitez. I knew he was a great fighter, but uncertain as to how long he was at 140. He defended the belt 3-4 times. Therefore at 140, he's ranked below Tszyu.

He is definetly a great hall of fame fighter though, 3 weight class champion. Look, I think Hatton has a case for doing more at 140.


I like that Marquez Mayweather pic btw..funny

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I didn't say I ranked Benitez higher on achievement or legacy, I said I think he would've beaten Tszyu at 140 ;)

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

HAHAHA...anyway.....I looked up Benitez. I knew he was a great fighter, but uncertain as to how long he was at 140. He defended the belt 3-4 times. Therefore at 140, he's ranked below Tszyu.

He is definetly a great hall of fame fighter though, 3 weight class champion. Look, I think Hatton has a case for doing more at 140.


I like that Marquez Mayweather pic btw..funny

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I didn't say I ranked Benitez higher on achievement or legacy, I said I think he would've beaten Tszyu at 140 ;)

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I think he would of too. I don't think Tyzsu would land more than one punch at a time against El Radar

Don't really know.........Benitez was a great fighter. Tszyu was a great 140 pounder. Tszyu is a hard fight for any fighter. Even when he lost, he was still hard for Hatton and Phillips. And of course, he usually won, which is the point if your world champion for ten years.

Frequently underestimated.........but his earlier career is usually considerably overlooked when he fought a more agressive style, and was quite alot faster. He was good, and hard for any opponent, even when it was not his day.

Maybe Benitez would beat him, he was a great fighter who fought up to 154. Who knows. It's like saying, how do you think Pryor would go into his 30's against Hatton 2am at the MEN against Hatton before he made his name. Who knows..:cool:

I think Benitez on his game could school anyone at 140 he was one of the best and i give him a shot at anyone that has ever fought at that weight.

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

Don't really know.........Benitez was a great fighter. Tszyu was a great 140 pounder. Tszyu is a hard fight for any fighter. Even when he lost, he was still hard for Hatton and Phillips. And of course, he usually won, which is the point if your world champion for ten years.

Frequently underestimated.........but his earlier career is usually considerably overlooked when he fought a more agressive style, and was quite alot faster. He was good, and hard for any opponent, even when it was not his day.

Maybe Benitez would beat him, he was a great fighter who fought up to 154. Who knows. It's like saying, how do you think Pryor would go into his 30's against Hatton 2am at the MEN against Hatton before he made his name. Who knows..:cool:

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For 6 million dollers i think Benitez would of swan to the MEN from his Country let Hatton and his brother fight him at the same time and let his mum dad and his Mrs be the judges and at the time let Frank Warren be the ref.

Poor Kosta had everything against him i mean come on he only improved his usually pay packet by over 500%.

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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam

Don't really know.........Benitez was a great fighter. Tszyu was a great 140 pounder. Tszyu is a hard fight for any fighter. Even when he lost, he was still hard for Hatton and Phillips. And of course, he usually won, which is the point if your world champion for ten years.

Frequently underestimated.........but his earlier career is usually considerably overlooked when he fought a more agressive style, and was quite alot faster. He was good, and hard for any opponent, even when it was not his day.

Maybe Benitez would beat him, he was a great fighter who fought up to 154. Who knows. It's like saying, how do you think Pryor would go into his 30's against Hatton 2am at the MEN against Hatton before he made his name. Who knows..:cool:

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He would stopped Hatton in 1

Really, when Aaron Pryor was 32, after a two year undefeated layoff, he came back and LOST to Bobby Joe Young!!

Pryor at 32.............maybe your confusing him with a Prime Pryor.

Kt to me yet again been said a million times it tad on the overrated side. His place with the history books is that of Hatton good but not great. I think people such as Pryor, Chavez and Benitez have claims over him. But i have said nothin that has not been brought up just let it die dude.

First of all, Tszyu IS rated by most as the 2nd greatest 140 fighter by consensus. Additionally, his resume is far far longer than Pryors, reigning longer, but i'd probably have Pryor at no1, and he did beat 1 great fighter in his Prime, Arguello, who was much smaller coming from an inital start afew weight classes beloww, but Argello IS one of the alltime greats, and powerful and skillful. He looked like the offensive dynamo did Pryor.

He chased Leonard who ducked him, . He reigned much shorter though. Hardly anyone acknowledges Tszyu prior to his visit to the U.S. in osin to Phillips, and he was quite different befoe then, so it doesnt surprise me others dont know as much, as most his first half of his career was fought in Aus.

Even by way of defacto rights, he is a great fighter, as if he didnt beat any great figher, he certainly beat excellent ones AS te great fighter. To be a great fighter, you have to accomplish great things. 10 years as a world champion IS a great accomplshment against excellent opposition, and whether you think he's merely good, he IS one of the alltime great 140 pound fighers, and Canastota will say as much.

BTW..........since your bringing up the same Benitez who has his ass handed to him by the same Leonard who ducked Pryor, the same guy who rates Tszyu second best behind him, the man fought like 4 times as champion at 140,. Why dont you throw in Whittaker as he fought a couple times there. The only guy I'd throw in would be Chavez, as he did more than them there, but wasnt there longer than the others.

As much as you dislike it saying he never beat anyone great, HE is great by defacto right beating excelent opposition through the great accomlishment of reigning so long.

Why do you let it die and accept the facts, as that is fact that being a world champion for ten years in a very deep division taking out excellent boxers is a great accomplishment.

BTW Benitez was the bigger great man being a former junio Middle weight Champion!

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Fact is he had his ass handed to him by Phillips in his prime never had the balls to move up divsions to get the big fights and prove his greatness. Pryor had no claim to Leonard what so ever and his record above lw is a loss to a nobody he to had week ass comp just like kt did o well. As for Benitez would of outclassed Kt i say Benitez knocks him out late.

Your wrong btw........

Just after Tszyu Unified, he was talking of going to 147 to fight Spinks, possibly Forrest, same guy he stylistically owned in the world amateur title fight Right before Both went Pro.

Interms of going up the weights, he should've started at 135, since he fought at 140 for 12 years. He maybe couldve fought at 130 if he so tried, and his comparitive power would have been INSANE.

Anyway, NOT MANY know of his earlier half of his career before Phillips. And no, he got tkoed to Philips in a close fight, below his best. There is a story of the court case in the middle of his training, but he lost, so cant use that as an excuse. Sometimes you just underperformed, and for him he came back.

But yes, he wanted to fight Spinks, Mosely, Forrest, and especially De La Hota at 147, possibly even 154 for the right price or opponent. He still hits harder the De La Hoya two weight classes below, ask a common opponent lie Gonzalez.

He did lose in his prime, story aside FACT. You dont know his career nearly as well as I, therefore im not surprised you say he avoided going up in weight. The time he was supposed to, he was injured. The the challenge of Mitchell was there, a guy some say had given Tszyu trouble fight one in both guys primes, same winner twice though..

He was injured for nearly two years. Therefore when returning, the fight he wanted first was Gatti. Alot of money. Gatti chose PBF. Then Tszyu was talking about Mayweather if he beat Hatton, a guy he underestimated, assuning he'd win easy enough. He was proven considerably wrong that night.

Tszyu also changed his training and fight tactics after Phillips, as he used to have a more basic preperation, and fought a style more gung ho. Against Phillips the ended up trading bombs, and Tszyu is such a powerful puncher p4p, Phillips MAY HAVE BEEN MORE POWERFUL.

Actually, the slating Tszyu received in the U.S. after that, really damaged his reputation that the U.S. media didnt know much of in the earlier part of his career fought in Aus. It took charcter to cop it sweet and return taking out everyone to reinvent himself with a more cautious style so as to never be caught like that again.

His reign, again, whether he lost once in his prime or not, was a great accomplishment in boxing terms. Therefore, if as you say he beay no great opponents just good ones, being wold champion 10 years is a great achievement and that makes him great by defacto standards by your criteria, as that is a great accomplishment,. and reinventing yourself when down, and he was sued down to his underwear broke took charcater..

He came back from adversity, and Canastota only inducts guys who did great things in boxing, and what he did was a great achievement. Good fighter to you, who realised a great accomlishment by my understanding world champion 10 years. Therefore to a more harsh appraisal, he has defcato rights to greatness.

Alltime in the 140 pound division, by top 3 greatest 140 fghters alltime, whether you think he's overated or not. He still achieved great accomplishments.

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Not exactly sure why this thread is so long as there isn't much to talk about..

Hatton is a fun fighter to watch and very charismatic.. this is the reason he's so popular and potentially over rated by his fans.. He isn't a ridiculous talent, but he has a ton of heart and is a brawler, which is what fans like to watch..

Tszyu quit on his stool when he could have potentially been winning the fight (and in my eyes i thought he was).. but WHO CARES, bottom line is that he quit, and Hatton got the win against a great fighter and that is nothing to sneeze at.