Who did Hatton ever beat?

[skel1983]

Therefore it would be safe to assume Ricky Hatton never beat a top top fighter, only a very good one who was overrated. I go where I please. So if beating Tszyu wasnt all that, what then infact has Hatton Ever done?

Errr yes id agree with that Hatton beat a very good fighter who maybe over rated is the wrong word to use but a fighter who didnt really beat any real elite fighters, Hatton had a decent career and fought two all time greats and fell short he won a world title in two divisons he did ok, but like i said noone here thinks Hatton is some god of boxing we here at Saddos talk the truth and unfortunalty for you its not what you want to hear.

[DatsiK]

Errr yes id agree with that Hatton beat a very good fighter who maybe over rated is the wrong word to use but a fighter who didnt really beat any real elite fighters, Hatton had a decent career and fought two all time greats and fell short he won a world title in two divisons he did ok, but like i said noone here thinks Hatton is some god of boxing we here at Saddos talk the truth and unfortunalty for you its not what you want to hear.

Couldn't agree more. Hatton beat a very good fighter, but not an elite one. Does that make Hatton overrated? no, because I don't rate Hatton as elite either.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Certainly, Tszyu was a very good fighter. Winning a world title and holding it against mandatories for even one year is a significant achievement in boxing. Hatton has done that, and quite abit more. As for Tszyu, thats probably the biggest knock on his career, he beat other very good, somewhat Excellent fighters when the guys were peaked up, but none of them were Great. The Chavez fight, although he was mandatory no1 contender, he was by average standards JUST a good fighter, which is a far cry from when he was actually a GREAT fighter. Noone thinks otherwise. It was just a plain madatory as far as accomplishment, and for his trouble, Tszyu gets his name on his resume, no more.

The question with Tszyu, was he was THE PICK, of some excellent, though not great boxers. Who was excellent when they could actually fight. Most notably I would say Gonzalez was definety an excellent boxer when they fought, who actually had a significant reign at lightweight, never the same afterwards. Ruelas, although De La Hoya smashed him, was a fighter of significance if ypuve actually seen him outside that fight, and was certainly an excellent fighter. Hurtado, way underrated for how good he was, was at that time an excellent boxer, who faded away. Sharmba Mitchell was an excellent boxer in his Prime when Tszyu beat him. He was the the no1 boxer in then boxings toughest division the 2nd time round, but I think both guys were starting to get older. The fight ended so early, it never became a factor, but Tszyu did him after a lengthy injury layoff.

I would rate Zab Judah on the CUSP of being an excellent fighter, as his later career has shown him far from excellent. That said he is certainly a very good boxer, and what he has done that some of the other guys I said were top draw haven't, was WIN the Undisputed Welterweight champoinship. He was also at his best when he fought Tszyu.

The very good fighters Tszyu beat who were top mandatories, or world champions at some point...........the list is very long.

Some say, Tszyu being the pick of these really good fighters for such a long time, by weight of the volume of fights, he is alltime top 3 140 pounds. In the same breath, many would say he never fought a trully great fighter in their Prime. True, though the counter argument was HE WAS the truly great fighter when there were none others infront of him. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.

He was a Great fighter in the 140 division, and he has his unique place. He wasn't a great fighter interms of trancending that role, going up the weights and beating other top top fighters. I suppose Mitchell was in the top ten p4p second time they fought, but he was an excellent fighter at his best, though Never Great. Judah was ranked in the top ten p4p when he was dismantled, but again, although he was projected to be a great fighter at the time, he never became one. On his best day he was an Excellent fighter.

On Tszyus best day, he never beat a great fighter, he beat numerous Excellent fighters. There is a difference. Over the course of his lengthy reign, that was a Great accomplishment, yes. Thats half the equation of being great. I would give credence to your opinion then that the truth is somewhere inbetween for Tszyu. He was supposed to fight De La Hoya before he lost to Phillips. He had a great chance of winning. He was also supposed to fight the winner of Mayweather Gatti, another shot at the fights Ricky had fighting the best at the time, and came up short. Some guys could say, Hatton was just a fitness guy who over powered opponents inside. I would say he too is an excellent fighter, who's strength was inside brawling. He used to come inside with underated skill. Alltime at 140, Tszyu is rated above Hatton given the length of his reign. Head to head, Hatton bettered him. Historically, that evens the ledger abit.

Is Tszyu a great fighter? He's a great 140 pounder who was the best in the division for a decade. He is what you would call a defacto great champion, as projection of what he could've maybe done head to head against other great boxers will never be known. De La Hoya now has a tag as never being a trully great fighter because he lost alot of big fights. At one stage, yes, he certainly was great, and he fought the greater opposition, and LOST almost all of them when the other guys were at their best. Who would win Tszyu v De L a Hoya, we'll never know. Could've been quite close.

Maybe Tszyu is one of the most high profile fighters to never fight a great fighter. He was certainly better than the many excellent fighters he bettered. Hatton beat him. It wasnt Tszyu best performance, but he lost and was still an OK version of himself. I dont know where Hatton will stand alltime at 140. Thats up to him if he wants to do more. He has the style that doesnt typically fight into mid 30s though. I would assume if he fights again, he wont fight on for that long a time. They are different type of fighters, Tszyu and Hatton. I would personally like to see Hatton do a touch more for pride, and go out with a world title fight.

I have balanced the commentary here, away from the best beating. You may care to differ. A great 140 pound fighter, better than some really good boxers he fought over time yes. A defacto great........perhaps. He has his own place as a great 140 pounder certainly if nothing else. What he could've potentially done against other great fighters is projection. The truth is somewhere in between about Tszyu, that partly adds to his mystique and why sone can talk about how good was this guy really long after the fact. Hatton beat him, will probably be his best achievent in boxing, so in that sense he derives alot of credibility off that win.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

QUOTE: No Hatton has never beaten a top prime fighter. Yes Hatton is overrated. And no, Hatton hasn't done much. You already know that. So stop asking the same fukking question over and over. Your biitch ass is fukking annoying.

Other guys told me to shut up, but your the only one to abuse me. Therefore them other guys are fine with me, but I'm glad to have annoyed YOU

And for them other guys, I listened to what you said, and have given he most honest assessment in relation to the facts as I see them in the thread above. Tszyu wasn't Overrated, but he was in some ways a great fighter by way of being a great 140 pounder beating some excellent fighters, and in other ways, he never was a great figher interms of beating other great fighters when they where in their prime. He's a great 140 pounder, an on the Cusp of being a great outside of that. Although his resume is long and impressive, he lacks that other side to the coin in beating at least one other great fighter when they were prime. That sort of adds to the mystique of Tszyu in how he can be debated.

I've said my peace, hoped to have given a more balanced assessment these last two posts. Hatton beat a top fighter. How good was he......who really knows, which is the point you try to make. Cheers..

[jamiebhoy]

Must be good to just cut and paste all day long, can you try another subject maybe, honestly this one is just becoming boring

[Gandalf]

This is getting fucking boring. Can you start talking about something else or even keep it all in the one thread?

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

I hear you, I'm wrapping it up anyway by giving you guys a better balanced report, not just the chest beating. Alot of Hatton's prestige is derived off of beating the best opponent he has defeated to date Tszyu. On balance in defferement to some of the suggestions, that what I wrote..

It's all winding down on my end. I came here originally wanting to see what was going on after the Pacquiao fight. As for Hatton and Tszyu, that what I had to say.

Noted

[Gandalf]

I hear you, I'm wrapping it up anyway by giving you guys a better balanced report, not just the chest beating. Alot of Hatton's prestige is derived off of beating the best opponent he has defeated to date Tszyu. On balance in defferement to some of the suggestions, that what I wrote..

It's all winding down on my end. I came here originally wanting to see what was going on after the Pacquiao fight. As for Hatton and Tszyu, that what I had to say.

Noted

Nothing wrong with a point of view, I can carp on myself about certain things. It just seems everyday there is a new thread or two talking about this. That's all.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

I'm turning down the endless banter. I actually like Hatton, and for the most part, many Hatton supporters have respect for Tszyu. True some of the Pacquiao clips were abit humbling, but you've got to be in it to win it. He gave it his best shot, and lost to two great fighters. The Pacquiao fight in particular, I don't think Pacquiao is THAT much better than Hatton to the degree we saw, more the style of Pacquiao made it seem worse being a southpaw. They are two different style of fighters.

Yeah, I went abit over board having my say. This site is for you guys anyway..I hope Hatton fights on and retires with one of the recognised 140 titles honestly. He's been good value for the sport

[Violent Demise]

QUOTE: No Hatton has never beaten a top prime fighter. Yes Hatton is overrated. And no, Hatton hasn't done much. You already know that. So stop asking the same fukking question over and over. Your biitch ass is fukking annoying.

Other guys told me to shut up, but your the only one to abuse me. Therefore them other guys are fine with me, but I'm glad to have annoyed YOU

And for them other guys, I listened to what you said, and have given he most honest assessment in relation to the facts as I see them in the thread above. Tszyu wasn't Overrated, but he was in some ways a great fighter by way of being a great 140 pounder beating some excellent fighters, and in other ways, he never was a great figher interms of beating other great fighters when they where in their prime. He's a great 140 pounder, an on the Cusp of being a great outside of that. Although his resume is long and impressive, he lacks that other side to the coin in beating at least one other great fighter when they were prime. That sort of adds to the mystique of Tszyu in how he can be debated.

I've said my peace, hoped to have given a more balanced assessment these last two posts. Hatton beat a top fighter. How good was he......who really knows, which is the point you try to make. Cheers..

I don't believe you. Something tells me you get abused pretty regularly

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

HAHAHA...anyway.....I looked up Benitez. I knew he was a great fighter, but uncertain as to how long he was at 140. He defended the belt 3-4 times. Therefore at 140, he's ranked below Tszyu.

He is definetly a great hall of fame fighter though, 3 weight class champion. Look, I think Hatton has a case for doing more at 140.


I like that Marquez Mayweather pic btw..funny

[BIG H]

HAHAHA...anyway.....I looked up Benitez. I knew he was a great fighter, but uncertain as to how long he was at 140. He defended the belt 3-4 times. Therefore at 140, he's ranked below Tszyu.

He is definetly a great hall of fame fighter though, 3 weight class champion. Look, I think Hatton has a case for doing more at 140.


I like that Marquez Mayweather pic btw..funny

I didn't say I ranked Benitez higher on achievement or legacy, I said I think he would've beaten Tszyu at 140

[Violent Demise]

HAHAHA...anyway.....I looked up Benitez. I knew he was a great fighter, but uncertain as to how long he was at 140. He defended the belt 3-4 times. Therefore at 140, he's ranked below Tszyu.

He is definetly a great hall of fame fighter though, 3 weight class champion. Look, I think Hatton has a case for doing more at 140.


I like that Marquez Mayweather pic btw..funny

I didn't say I ranked Benitez higher on achievement or legacy, I said I think he would've beaten Tszyu at 140

I think he would of too. I don't think Tyzsu would land more than one punch at a time against El Radar