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according to his manager on boxingscene, said there looking at other fighters but those are the main two
Also he's more interested in fighting Chagaev than having to count on Haye being available and they are working on a Chagaev fight.
Good thing too, I would go with Chagaev over Haye also, after all who wants to deal with a guy who postpones fights because of injuries :beat:
Could I dislike Wlad more? Of course not. That was a trick question.
Of course there's nothing from Haye here. Seems like Klitschko's team is giving him about three extra weeks. If he's really injured that's probably a non starter.
Haye's manager and Klits have just been live on TV.
Haye's manager said he'll be ready on the 11th.
It doesn't sound like Klit will wait though, Chagaev and 10 other possibles to fill June 20th.
How can he fight Chagaev when the Valuev fight couldnt go ahead because of Chagaev failing the medical. Am I missing something?
Chagaev really didn't fail the medical it seems, seemingly all that was just an excuse by valuevs camp to get out of fighting chagaev.
Does something stink around these heavyweights or is it just me. Chagaev fails a medical for the Valuev fight, but is now in line to fight Klit at the drop. What is goin on. Bit cloaky some stuff at the moment.
Wonder whether Haye Klit hasn't quite sold out and they are bumping up a bit more publicity to have the fight delayed by a few weeks. Is that possible.............. anyone? Adam Booth is saying that Haye will undergo intensive physiotherapy and then be ready. Bottom of following link.
BBC SPORT | Boxing | Haye no longer Klitschko priority
They've sold 65k tickets, when they only expected about 30k. They sold 27k in the first 12 hours after Haye wore that t-shirt. This has nothing to do with publicity, it hardly needs anymore does it?
Fair point.
This whole thing just reminds me of publicity though. Can't help but think it. Not been in the papers or news for a while, now its bang in the papers and all over the media..... Just weird seen as the fight is not far off.
I guess in my head i'm hopin its just a joke and the fight is actually on. Was so lookin forward. Would have been a huge event that the heavy freaks aint seen for years............
#1 Chagaev wasn't allowed to fight because he MAY or MAY NOT have tested positive for Hepititus B. Wladimir Klitschko called what Don King and the Finn Athletic Comission pulled "A farce" and he said he would fight Chagaev in Germany Hep B or no Hep B and that all he needed was an extra innoculation to be protected against it.
#2 Chagaev is undefeated, he's a southpaw, and he's available to fight as is Valuev but if they don't want to fight Chagaev then they really don't want Wladimir.
I still think either Haye is trying to pull some mind game bullcrap or else he's really shit scared of Wladimir....I don't think he's injured much less injured enough to miss the fight
Chagaev passed the medical test in Germany but apparently failed a Finnish medical. As Wlad is fighting in Germany, Chagaev will be passed medically fit. To be honest, I think Valuev was being a fanny and looking for an excuse to avoid the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
Why would would he have worked so hard to get the fight if he was "shit scared"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Nobody's quite explained that to me yet :-\
Let me start off by saying I don't think Haye is scared of Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanWhy would would he have worked so hard to get the fight if he was "shit scared"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Nobody's quite explained that to me yet :-\
However, to play devil's advocate, who outside of Britain had ever heard of David Haye before he started chasing Wlad in a very public fashion? Both within Britain and internationally, his popularity has soared as a result of this publicity and even if he does not fight Klitschko he future earning potential has increased massively.
I don't know, I get that but has his name gotten out there that much? That seems like a bit of a risk to me, doing something which would hurt his reputation like this isn't exactly a great business move. I mean who really can he make big money with outside of the Klits? He's gotta fight them at some point.
Absolutely it has. This site is a perfect example of it. It has a huge British/UK presence, yet how many David Haye threads were there when he was simply the undisputed Cruiser champ? After he beat Macinelli (sp) and moved up to HW with the stated purpose of defeating Klitschko in order to "bring excitement back to the heavy-weight division (translation: to line his pockets)" his popularity took off. He's now a regular topic of conversation not only here but throughout the boxing world.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Who said he worked out hard? Is there proof??? Sure he could be in great SHAPE but hell Jack Lalane has always been in great shape but he was never going to beat up a pro boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
And OumaFan I am 10000000% in favor of Haye fighting Wladimir "At some point" but beating Monte Barrett and being able to be annoying and talk shit shouldn't earn you a title shot and I think if I took the name David Haye out of the equation NOBODY would want to watch that fight and NOBODY would think that "Fighter X" would deserve a shot at the titles. I just want David Haye to work his way to the top...if he doesn't want to wait or to have a bunch of fights then he should step in vs a top level fighter and beat them in impressive fashion and THEN call for Wladimir...but to beat Monte Barrett by KO and then call Wlad out right away is ridiculous! Haye is either crazy or delusional and either way he would get humiliated vs Wladimir.
I know on here but the outside world? I don't know. I'm sure it has in Europe, not so much in Britain where he was already big, but in Germany, etc. Definitely hasn't in the US, nobody knows who he is outside of hard core fans. I have no idea about Canada.
But still does that translate into big money fights with anybody but the Klits?
You misunderstood me, I'm not talking about working hard as in getting shape, I'm talking about working hard as in working hard to get the fight in the first place. He knew what he was getting into, he was the one that wanted the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWho said he worked out hard? Is there proof??? Sure he could be in great SHAPE but hell Jack Lalane has always been in great shape but he was never going to beat up a pro boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
And OumaFan I am 10000000% in favor of Haye fighting Wladimir "At some point" but beating Monte Barrett and being able to be annoying and talk shit shouldn't earn you a title shot and I think if I took the name David Haye out of the equation NOBODY would want to watch that fight and NOBODY would think that "Fighter X" would deserve a shot at the titles. I just want David Haye to work his way to the top...if he doesn't want to wait or to have a bunch of fights then he should step in vs a top level fighter and beat them in impressive fashion and THEN call for Wladimir...but to beat Monte Barrett by KO and then call Wlad out right away is ridiculous! Haye is either crazy or delusional and either way he would get humiliated vs Wladimir.
I personally don't have a problem with the true cruiserweight champ getting a shot at a title pretty quickly.
Well, I can't really speak about the U.S., but Haye has been a topic of conversation on In This Corner With Russ Anber, Canada's only major boxing show. To further my point, I had no idea who David Haye was until a year or so ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I think it certainly translates to big money fights against any recognized and moderately popular heavy-weight champ. In boxing, popularity and notoriety often seem to be more important than actual skill and hard work. Look at Margarito, no one had a clue who he was until he started chasing Mayweather around, much like Haye did Klitschko. Mayweather refused to face him (again playing devil's advocate, maybe that's the blueprint Haye was following) and Margarito's popularity soared and as a result he made millions of dollars. Would he have made his money without called out Mayweather the way he did? I seriously doubt it.
That's a fair point but would he have come out of the whole thing the same if he appeared (to many fans) as finding a way out of fighting Floyd after the fight had been signed?
I just don't see how this has been good for Haye. Sure he's gotten his name out there but I don't know if in this case all publicity is good publicity. Look I don't really know casual fans but if you take saddoboxing as representative of the boxing community as a whole (which it isn't I know) Haye has come out of this for the majority of people as a loud mouth chicken shit. It just seems to me that going to great lengths to appear to want a fight with Klitschko in order to get your name out there while at the same time hoping that he really doesn't take it, and if he does take it then to fake your way out of it seems a bit of a risky plan.
And I'm still not convinced this will help his earnings that much. Say he would have never have done this, he could have still drawn crowds in England versus the Kevin Johnsons of the world, just an example. Is he gonna make that much traveling to Germany to fight Alexander Dimitrenko, whoever that is? He can make some money against the various heavyweight plodders but I don't think its huge money and he could have always drawn crowds in England anyway. The only serious money fight I see outside of the Klits is maybe if HBO thought it would be a big deal to get him to come to America and fight Arreola. Otherwise he needs the Klits for a big purse.
And if HBO wanted him to come to fight Arreola his notoriety from this could have helped that along.
I don't totally disagree.
I just don't see this as some master plan.
I don't get all the panic forget all these other guys make wlad wait for haye. Seem like wlad can't find another opponet soon enough, a little cold feet maybe.
Wlad with cold feet, I suspect Lyle is in the process of angrily replying as we speak ;D
I don't think it looks like an illegitimate excuse at all and i doubt more than a small, albeit vocal, minority of the forum does either. I think much of the displeasure expressed towards Haye is a result of the fact the people finally had a heavy-weight fight to get excited about. After people cool down a bit I think an overwhelming majority will feel that the injury is legitimate, especially considering how hard Haye chased the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Sure Haye could've made some coin fighting stiffs and contenders in front of 5,000 - 10,000 people in England, but that's nothing compared to the money to be gained through international exposure (TV deals, larger audiences, increased exposure, a higher level of competition etc).
It's not just about money either. Most athletes who make it to the top of their sport want recognition as well. The only way Haye was going to get that recognition as an international heavy-weight champ/contender was by chasing Klitschko. Now, whether or not get actually has to fight Klitschko to garner that attention remains to be seen I guess, but nobody outside of his family was calling him the saviour of the heavy-weight division until he started chasing Klitschko. Regardless of the fight itsellf he now has a much higher level of recognition than he did only a year ago.
Neither do I. I think he's actually hurt. I just wanted to play devil's advocate and try and present a logical reason why some people might claim he's ducking out of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Oh yes I am certain Wlad is scared of Haye which is why David Haye is the one that is "injured"....notice it's a very vague "back injury", something you can't look at and see anything wrong. If he broke his hand he could wear a cast, there would be x-rays and MRI's and what not....with a back unless it's a problem with his spine then it's a muscle pull and unless he tried to lift a Truck over his head there's no reason it should take 3 weeks to be in fighting shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
REGARDLESS of what happened or happens to Haye, Wlad will fight June 20th and win by KO
As I've said I don't see it as as big a difference as you (who's he gonna make big money against, I just don't see it outside of the Klits and Arreola, I could well be underestimating the drawing power of certain heavy's in Germany) but I don't totally disagree.
I guess where I would disagree is if someone said he only chased Wlad for the notoriety and didn't expect to get the fight or didn't want the fight. But you don't seem to be arguing that and my point all along was that I don't think he was scared which some people are arguing but you don't seem to be arguing that either. So its just a matter of degree. I have always had a hard time of grasping the casual fan as none of my family likes boxing and only a few friends watch it ever and they don't know anything about the sport.
Edit-clearly after that last post you aren't arguing that.
David Haye is in the same group as Solis and Povetkin....talented guys, but they just aren't ready for the big time.
Am I alone in thinking that MAYBE David Haye would have had problems with Wladimir just from a talent standpoint...the heavyweights Haye has fought aren't even in the same league and Wlad and hell even the cruiserweights Haye fought weren't all that great in talent....to step up from Monte Barrett DIRECTLY to Wladimir Klitschko and to think there wouldn't be an issue due to the quality of the talent is just fucking dumb.
It's like saying some dude is hitting .700 in High School baseball and he's ready to face the best pitcher in the MLB!
Hope, damn right with the $$$ that are at stake here. I know that recovering from injury is not an exact science, but saying that he "hopes" to be ready is asking a lot with the millions that are on the line here. Haye's camp should grant Finkel full access to Hayes medical doctor and medical records before considering a postponement. JMOQuote:
David Haye: "I'm sorry to disappoint all my fans"
David Haye commented, "I'm sorry to disappoint all my fans across the world and I hope that once I have had the sufficient treatment, I will be able to start training again and we can get the fight on as soon as possible. I know this is the fight the fans want and I will do everything to make sure it happens."
"We are disappointed that David will be unable to fight for the World Heavyweight Championship on June 20th, but we want to make sure that he is in top condition when he fights Wladimir," said Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions. "We hope David makes a fast recovery and we can reschedule the fight as soon as possible."
Not to change the subject, but am I alone in thinking Chagaev isn't a bad stand-in opponent assuming the hep B can be contained? He is a top 5 heavyweight and the only fighter to beat Valuev. He is too small to beat Klitschko. Moreover, if he loses, the heavyweight picture is cleared up a little. Yes?
Sure Rantacrat, exactly my point, Chagaev is a PROVEN commodity in the WBA part of the heavyweight division. We can say he's "too small" but he beat Valuev who is a lot bigger than Wlad, maybe 4 inches taller and at least 60 pounds heavier.
I rate Ruslan too. I actually think he has a decent chance of beating Wlad. I can't stand Wlad, but if at 3 weeks notice he takes a fight with Chagaev, I'd have nothing but respect for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I take you've never pulled a muscle in your back then? It fucking kills and you can't move for at least a week. Being an athlete doesn't mean your body miraculously heals overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOh yes I am certain Wlad is scared of Haye which is why David Haye is the one that is "injured"....notice it's a very vague "back injury", something you can't look at and see anything wrong. If he broke his hand he could wear a cast, there would be x-rays and MRI's and what not....with a back unless it's a problem with his spine then it's a muscle pull and unless he tried to lift a Truck over his head there's no reason it should take 3 weeks to be in fighting shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
REGARDLESS of what happened or happens to Haye, Wlad will fight June 20th and win by KO
I hope the Chagaev fight is made! It crowns a Ring Champion & has more importance than Haye at this time
Let Haye heal properly & fight either Vitali, Arreola or the winner of Chambers/ Dimitrenko before getting a chance at Wlad again
Its like Wlad said Haye is now back in the waiting line!
Hey, I totally understand, I've had a slipped disk before it's no fun, I just question the injury because of the timing and the length of time Haye wants to be out.Quote:
Originally Posted by rowlesy
To talk shit the way Haye has been and then to pull out like this is Bush League...I don't care if he really is injured or not, it's bullshit
The first Ring Champion since Lennox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Am I the only person who would actually be excited about a heavyweight fight for once if a Cris Arreola v. David Haye fight could be made?
I'm not sure about Chagaev as an opponent - ain't the guy ill? If he was perfectly healthy he would have fought Valuev.
He was also struggling very badly against the unknown Carl Davis Drummond until the cut helped him out.
I hope Valuev steps in and gets chopped down by Wlad - I'm not a fan of either but one has the skills and the other doesn't.
Who is Vitali fighting next? I thought Arreola was going to fight him? Or isn't Cristobel ready?
Maybe Haye will get to fight Vitali instead - thats a fight they both want.