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I think Ricky Hatton may well be a shot fighter. I reckon Zab Judah is angling for a fight in putting Matthew Hatton away.
Straight up, Judah lands the right hook at will, as Pacquiao gave him the blue print. Judah will be a Killer at 140. A Whole New Fighter for Hatton. Keep your guard up!!
IMO Zab still has a lot left in him.
Someone like Hatton is the perfect opponent for him.
Judah should win fairly easily. If he has his screwed on right that is. :-\
I will hope for a shock as usual though. But I doubt it.
A focused Zab Judah takes Hatton or any other fighter in the world easy. Peoples' champ, still #1 P4P in the fans' hearts and thats all that counts. 2010 is Zab's year..
Judah should easily beat Matthew Hatton.
Honest I think Ricky is beaten by a lot of punchers now.
I've always maintained 140 was Judah's weight.
The point im setting up is, a matthew hatton fight leads into ricky fight quite nicely. ricky is not that comfortable with southpaws..etc
I'm not being rude or a douche or sarcastic, i'm only asking honestly.. Do you always just want to post about Hatton weakness's and negatives, or do you have other interests inside the boxing topic??Quote:
Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
Sorry it's a just a serious question I was wondering..
This thread is crazy. Judah is one of the most overrated fighters I've seen. When was his last good performance? How anyone thinks he's above B-level is beyond me.
The problem is when has Zab Judah ever been focused 100 percent ? against top opposition that is ? i think this is a dangerous fight for Ricky Hatton, he has struggled against Southpaw's since he was an Amateur. And Zab Judah has got pop and speed, he can also damage Ricky Hatton badly as he's coming in.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I think it all boils down to can Ricky Hatton get out of the first 4 rounds, if he can he wins i think he can still be aggressive enough. To make Zab Judah go into a shell and pull it out over 12 rounds.
I was saying Zab would spark Hatton before the Pac fight.
That Left Uppercut is a thing of Beauty.
Judah could still find a way to screw it up. He is the man though.
I actually have a hard time picking this fight. Before the Pacquiao loss, I would've comfortably said Hatton. I was surprised how bad Hatton looked against a southpaw. I know Collazo caused him a problem, but Pacquiao showed that againt the style of Ricky coming in, the right hook will work from the southpaw stance everytime.
Judah doesnt have a great left cross in Hattons favour. Lets say Hatton covers the right hook, as it was the biggest weakness exposed from the southpa stance, he's now fighting a touch pensive, as has to blunt that attack. Judah at 140 WAS a completely different fighter.
It's close.......given that Judah is a southpaw, and Hatton psychologically isnt the same, i'd honestly have to say Judah, and i wouldnt be surprised if he knocks him out in England, and seems like a killer at 140 again.
I would've never have picked this, but after Pacquiao, certain realities were exposed. Dont forget, at 140, when Judah had good power and even better speed, he was able to get away more with his offensive flurries that just didnt hold up against the bigger guys to actually beat them. It would be somewhat ironic if it is Judah who puts the final nail in the coffin, given there histories. It looks like an option for Ricky given the Matthew Hatton fight, and Judah is one of the biggest names Hatton can actually look to make a fight against at 140. The better man will win.
JUDAH BY KO round 9
I disagree on the last part if Zab Judah is gonna win, its gonna be early because he gets weaker as the fight goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
The point is, thats all well and good at 147, but at 140 he is a whole new fighter. Judah does fade late, but id have to say he has more boxing skill than Hatton, and the size to do better at 140, than against guys like Cotto and Clottey. He is better early Judah. How embarrassing would it be if he's beaten at 2am in England by Judah!!
I think he could beat a Matthew Hatton,and it wouldn't be a huge surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
How exactly would Judah be reinvented totally at 140 given his recent showings and wear and tear?He has not been there in years. I think he is an old 30,31 (?) and has not exactly been dazzling in last few vs his lesser 'Opponents'.Starting to cut up,let his mind wander...more so and fade late indeed.
After Ricky Hatton was beat in that manner....being crushed like a paper cup so brutally,A guy like Zab might get him just as easily as some so-so type brought in to make Hatton look 'top notch' in his initial comeback bout.Hatton could go either way....but it does not automatically translate into Zab dusting off the 140 division though.
We will see, hindsight is 20/20............JUDAH to show greater boxing maturity together with being a bgger fighter at 140 as oppossed to 147. KO victory to Judah.
I could'nt agree more, we have awaited the coming of Zab for years but it never really happened,so to suggest he would beat Ricky Hatton now because of his defeat to Manny:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I quite agree with you bz, The first few posts on this thread made me think they were talking about matthew hatton. No way does Judah, who was knocked silly by KT, beat the guy who beat the hell out of KT.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Zab Judah has A Level talent and D Level dedication.....If he puts his mind to it and stays focus he is dangerous.
I just dont think he comes in focused and doesnt train hard enough. He will beat Matthew but not Ricky....
Matthew who? RH-Judah would be a big attraction. But imo RH-Khan is bigger attraction and less dangerous for Ricky.
Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll retire each other with a double knockout.
Zab is a mental case; but I'm pretty sure Ricky is ruined after that trainwreck with Pacman. Either Zab stops him early or Hatton humps and hits him until Judah quits. Pick em' fight;D
Can I ask...based on what? When has Judah ever shown any kind of boxing maturity? It was a year ago that he threw scales through a window and lost out on a massive payday against Mosley. The man has never shown any kind of maturity, even in a boxing ring. He's failed to KO some real lower level fighters. What makes you think he'd be a force at 140?Quote:
Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
Do you know Judah aint shit any more and are just trying to dig at Ricky because he beat the crap outta your boy? Do you just constantly make threads about Hatton because Big H challanged you on Kostya Tszyu being an all time great?
Honestly, I have yet to see one post of logic from you to explain why you make such stupid claims in your posts.
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Originally Posted by bzkfnCan I ask...based on what? When has Judah ever shown any kind of boxing maturity? It was a year ago that he threw scales through a window and lost out on a massive payday against Mosley. The man has never shown any kind of maturity, even in a boxing ring. He's failed to KO some real lower level fighters. What makes you think he'd be a force at 140?Quote:
Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
Do you know Judah aint shit any more and are just trying to dig at Ricky because he beat the crap outta your boy? Do you just constantly make threads about Hatton because Big H challanged you on Kostya Tszyu being an all time great?
Honestly, I have yet to see one post of logic from you to explain why you make such stupid claims in your posts.
Those are logical musings. ;)
Because Judah has been calling out Ricky, and got Mathew instead. Because Judah is a higher profile fighter at 140 and could sell well much better than the guys holding belts. Because Judah is actually better than all the guys holding belts at 140. Because Judah at 140, can see his offensive flurries MORE EFFECTIVE than against the bigger guys at 147. Judah was a force at 140 even when Tszyu beat him, then went up to 147 not long after.
Because Judah is a more skilled boxer than Ricky Hatton, and he went the distance with Clottey (BIG) and Mayweather (SKILLFUL) On his own merits, he is a former Undisputed 147 pound Undisputed champion. I think he was WBO 140 champion when he went up to 147 first time.
Zab Judah is a SOUTHPAW, and if Collazo made Hatton look bad, at 140, where Judah is stronger and faster, Hatton will probably look worse. The game plan was shown by Pacquiao. Right hook works everytime. Judah has a pretty good right hook. His straight left is so so, which lends me to believe its not an automatic assumption, but he is a reasonable boxer who got beat by some better boxers at 147, namely Cotto and Clottey and Mayweather. I dont see Hatton beating them other two guys at 147 either. The one disgrace was losing to Baldomir, but this is Judah were talking about, so no surprise. At 140, a different fighter...........and I think he beats Hatton at 140 being psychologically not the same, fighting a southpaw.
Amir Khan may be a bigger fight, true.
You are rambling like a weirdo. :rolleyes:
Hopefully nobody else will choose to reply to this drivel that you spout off. It's quite boring.
1. Judah didn't call out Ricky. He requested the fight with Matthew in order to put himself in a position to possibly fight Ricky. This is a Welterweight fight, not at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
2. Judah didn't go the distance with Clottey. He was well on the way to being stopped so claimed he "couldn't see because he was butted" just so the fight would go to the scorecards early. Truth is, the cut was caused by a punch and he bitched and moaned until the referee believed him.
3. Judah hasn't won a big fight since 2005 when he beat Cory Spinks.
4. At this stage of his career, I honestly think Urango & Bradley for sure would beat Judah. Bradley is too skillful for him and Urango is too powerful. Once he couldn't put a dent in Urangop he'd lose heart...again.
5. You said Judah was a force at 140 when Tszyu beat him...that was 8 fucking years ago!!!!! Seriously, I cannot believe you brought that up to support your argument.
I swear I think you fainted when Tszyu lost to Hatton, hit your head and landed in a coma. You recently came out of that coma thinking we're still in 2005 or something.
#1 I wouldn't put Ricky in with another power punching southpaw
#2 I thought Ricky's next fight was going to be his last fight?
Here are the fights I would want for Ricky if I was managing him: Michael Katsidis, Junior Witter, Ricardo Torres, Kendal Holt, Tim Bradley, Jorge Barrios, and Nate Campbell.
I think even some of those guys could beat Ricky
I did watch the Clottey fight.............once, awhile ago, yes, thats right, thanks for reminding me it was stopped early. I will always be here to have fun with Ricky's career win draw or Lose. If its boring you, easy, just p##s off then and dont read it.
Interms of the facts, mate, he called Ricky out as well as Pacquiao. Accept the fcat, at 140 Judah is dangerous and will beat the sh*t out of Hatton. I see Judah stoppig BOTH Hattons!! A whole different fighter at 140. You cant seem to accept the fact Hatton can be beat by other guys. Definetly Judah over Hatton, styles make fights :cool:
I totally accept the fact that Hatton can be beaten. Yeah I'm a Hatton fan but personally I think he's taken it as far as he can go.Quote:
Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
But what FACT is it that Judah is a different animal at 140? He hasn't KO'ed anybody since Spinks. He hasn't shown anything that makes him elite for years. So honestly, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm not buying you know shit about what you're talking about.
Has Judah ever looked like a killer against anybody good? Nevertheless he'll never be that again if he was ever no matter what weight he's fighting at.
Saying Judah was a killer at 140 does make KT's win look better though.
Yep.Think this is a case of more anti hatton than pro Zab.....if there is a God ;D.....he'll allow wonder-Zab to fight Victor Ortiz :shinner:,shite I think Bradley and Holt can beat him also.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Even Ricky Hatton of right now could kick the living shit out of that big mouth overrated fighter.
Judah wasn't able to take his game up to Welterweight as effective (former Undisputed Welterweight champion) simply for the fact the Power he had at 140 was good, but derived mainly of speed. Against bigger guys, it was less in comparison to what he has against guys at 140. Additionally, the other guys are bigger, stronger with power of their own. Furthermore, he was even Faster at 140. Given that he is 31, going down i weight should see him just as fast as anytime at 147, and he will be More powerful.
Judah looked like a killer beating other top ten guys at 140. That was all based upon projection. He defeated Corley at 140 for the WBO belt after his loss to Tszyu. He rushed up to 147 because of the Spinks offer, and won one of them. Spinks was a light puncher. Against bigger guys, he had some trouble Cotto, Clottey, and was simply outboxed by Mayweather. Baldomir, well he's still Zab Judah after all.......bound to stuff it up somewhere along the line.
Technically, he fights in spurts. In the later rounds of fights, he wasnt solid enough at 147 to beat the best BIG guys. What he has learnt a touch is what it is in there with big bangers, and that brought maturity to his immature head boxing wise.
AT 140.........very dangerous. He will knock Hatton out, mainly because of the fact he will prove he has the same speed, Good Power at 140, as oppossed to Ok power at 147, and his opponents are weaker. Cotto and Clottey are bigger than Hatton. He's a Southpaw. The right hook from the southpaw stance, of which Judah has a good one spells trouble for Hatton. Pacquiao showed how to nail and fast right hook on Hatton from the Southpaw stance. He barely even survived Collazo
Quote: Even Ricky Hatton of right now could kick the living shit out of that big mouth overrated fighter.
The better man will win! I think Judah is a better boxer, and beating up one Hatton sets up the possibility of fighting the other. There are few others that Hatton can make as much money with given the name recognition and flashy style. Being beaten savagely by Judah is like a nightmare isn't it :cool:
First Judah will beat up his brother. Then he will come to England and beat the sh*t out of Ricky Gangster Style, as he rapes and piledges him in front of ya all.
Keep your guard up :boxing2::bananasex:
Is Matthew any good? i've never seen him fight before. is he also a face first brawler like ricky?
I've never seen Matthew Hatton fight either, as although hes fought on Ricky undercards, they werent aired. Thats a hint, together with the fact he's supposed to be Rickys lesser interms of boxing..
Matthew Hatton is shit, average fighter who has a padded record and has fought one decent domestic rival who is probably ranked about 4/5 in the British 147 rankings and was out boxed on the Lazcano undercard, Hatton is a fraud and should of fought a handful of guys at domestic level but obviously knows it would end all his £££ making off Rickys back.
Judah will make him look stupid if he has prepared properly.
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Originally Posted by KostyaTszyuTeam
You talk as if its a done deal. Why would Hatton even bother with Judah? It wouldn't prove shit if he won, he's much more likely to retire than face the guy who's had his arse handed to him time after time. It's clear you make these threads because Ricky sent Tszyu packing into retirement, after making him quit on his stool.
What is clear is that Zab Judah is looking for Big Fights at 140, has name recognition, and is seen as high risk. He wants to be paid, and the fact is he is fighting Rickys brother Mathew, not because he's actually interested in Matthew Hatton which does nothing for his career, but he's interested in fighting ANY fighter where he can make money. He could make money in a Ricky Hatton fight. Maybe Ricky will Quit. The facts of the matter are, Hatton hasn't retired yet, and if he is to continue, he too is high risk for other guys. I think you know fighting Judah at 140 is somewhat harder than the guy who got beat by Cotto and Clottey at 147. Those guys were too big, and they werent blow outs. Against smaller guys, he is more powerfu; at 140 p4p.
I haven't tried to infer anything with Tszyu. He smashed Judah years ago. If Hatton and Judah should fight, and there are not only signals, there are reasons, the only thing Tszyu has to do with them is that he was a common opponent.
So what, your saying Ricky Hatton should hang em up and Quit? Why, is he shot? Had enough concerned too high risk for low reward. He hasn't retired yet. Maybe he should retire before fighting a guy like Judah. Maybe the kind of money around isn't enough. Maybe he's better off fighting for a belt if he wants pride in choosin how he wants to retire. As Judah has a good chance of retiring him if he doesn't retire himself.
I bet the two names that come out of Judahs mouth after he gets through with Matthew Hatton at the post fight interview are Ricky Hatton and Manny Pacquiao $$ Whether Ricky Hatton is interested is another story. So what, he's just going to sit there and let his brother be beaten badly while Judah calls out his name post fight. Fine. You have a gang banging thug trying to boss you around. Maybe Rickys too smart to take the bait, but Judah sure wants him, and will likely have him if they get in the ring. If Ricky avoids him, he'll just say Ricky didn't want to fight me and will be down on all hands and knees trying to find another way to get paid again.
Interesting thread.
Back in the day (and I'm talking pre Tszyu) Ricky freely admitted in interviews that he felt Zab was the toughest fight out there for him (and remember at the time the likes of Manny and PBF were plying thier trade south of 140)
For me, this potential match up isn't so much about what Zab would bring, more about what Ricky has left...and that's a tough one to call...