How will this fight go? Who will win? And what does this fight mean? We also need to consider what happens next if Wlad wins or if Ruslan wins?
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How will this fight go? Who will win? And what does this fight mean? We also need to consider what happens next if Wlad wins or if Ruslan wins?
I think Wladimir will be able to KO Ruslan because this will be Ruslan's first fight with a big puncher and he still has question marks about his chin especially since such a long layoff vs the top level fighters in the division.
After this fight Wladimir will more than likely fight in September vs Alexander Povetkin and then later on vs the winner of Dimitrenko-Chambers (I think this fight will mirror Wlad-Byrd I or II with Dimitrenko totally schooling Fast Eddie).
I know this fight is "disappointing" to the British posters on this board, but this fight means more to the division than any fight David Haye could have, this fight can finally bring about a Valuev-Klitschko matchup and bring the division together...having fighters like John Ruiz FORCED to fight the creme de la creme of the division and thus ensuring their demise. If Wladimir is the winner (especially by KO) this could bring about a great purging of the pretenders in this division because Don King fighters will have to find other routes to title shots rather than ONLY following the WBA ladder to that "title".
Although I do rate Ruslan as a very good fighter, I think he doesn't have great 1 punch power, he's smallish, and although he's a southpaw, Wlad has fought Tony Thompson and Sultan Ibragimov and should be well prepared to fight him after trying to prepare for the speed and power of David Haye.
Thought I'd come in here & keep you company Lyle ;)
I think Wlad takes this by a close decision, but I feel it will sadly be a painful fight to watch. I think Haye had Wlad in a position where we would have got a great fight, although I can't deny this fight being good for the division statistically & will give us a lineal champ so I will be watching. I think the jab is the key & see it 115-113 or 116-112 for Wlad.
Hopefully Haye gets a fight with somebody soon & Arreolla realizes he has to get into something approaching shape because this division needs some excitement, and for all their technical merits the Klitschkos just don't provide it.
Close decision? How will Chagaev do that? I am interested because Chagaev has good workrate but he's easy to hit, his punches are wide too....easy to pick off with the 1-2. The size difference is ridiculous Chagaev is 6'1 228...that's a small heavyweight even compared to David Haye.
David Haye should take on a fighter who is either as big as Wladimir, punch as hard as Wladimir, or have a similar style as Wladimir, or just a top level heavyweight. If Haye KO'd Sam Peter it would be good for him, I would respect it, it wouldn't be the greatest thing ever but it would be a good solid fight.
Going to boycott this one, has horribly dull written all over it. What a letdown after the Haye fight. If its good I'll catch it later. Don't see Ruslan winning, he may well pull out.
Don't even know you'll have the option to watch it as it won't be on HBO ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
It might be boring BUT it's a meaningful fight, and it keeps Wlad busy and he needs to fight and defend the titles it's his job...it would be nice if we had a very exciting fight but hell even I think it will be reminiscent of the Sultan Ibragimov fight, but we might be in for a surprisingly good fight if Chagaev just comes forward, that's all he has to do, come forward, let his hands go, and get KO'd
I think Chagaev's workrate will get him 4 or 5 rounds in the judges eyes at least, but can't see him getting the kind of close decision where anyone could say he was robbed. I wouldn't mind seeing Haye-Dimitrenko, although personally I don't think the HW division is strong enough right now that he should fight his way up. He did actually plan another fight post-Barrett before going for the title, but the bros Klitschko wanted to get on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I think the reason Chagaev won't get knocked out is because of the speed. I think he will see the punches coming enough to ready himself for them, whereas I think if he fought Haye he would find it harder because of the speed, although Wlad undoubtedly hits harder
I don't think Chagaev is that fast...he's fought 4 times in as many years and I think he's less powerful and speedy and slick than Sultan Ibragimov...so I think Wladimir can really work him over, PLUS Wlad is angry for a number of reasons, I hope he tries to send a message
Ruslan isn't all that bad he's beaten John Ruiz, Nicolay Valuev, but perhaps the most impressive name on his resume is FELIX SAVON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPAeP1JsfPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O7lqgd3vB8
....he did eat a couple big right hands though
No, I don't think Chagaev's that fast, I just think he's the kind of guy who's more likely to get caught badly by speed rather than power, in that he's pretty technically astute & guys like that normally find speed harder to deal with, hence why I'd favour Haye to KO Chagaev rather than Wlad, even though Wlad is the bigger puncherQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
OK....I can accept that. I just watched a couple rounds of Valuev-Chagaev (and I survived :o) ...he kept moving backwards, that's not good if we want an exciting fight, that's what Sultan did vs Wladimir....wait to counter, wait to counter, wait to counter and Wlad never gave him the option.
I just want Wlad to worry about Wlad and not worry about Chagaev countering....Wlad needs to focus on getting his punches to land and breaking Chagaev down
This will be a boring fight I think. With Chageav running around and trying to find a way in on Wlad's long jab and right hand. Ultimately making a boring fight.
It's sad, but I can totally see that happening...I can see Chagaev mimicking Sultan Ibragimov....but part of me doesn't see Wladimir allowing that to happen again. Say what you will about Wlad and Wlad's style, but ultimately he does want to give the fans a KO every time out there and a good show.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
It would be nice to have Chagaev come to fight though...hopefully he'll oblige because he has been given a golden opportunity to be THE MAN in the division.
It's a tough fight to call, but everyone's first thought is going to be "boring"
Like the Ibragimov fight, right? Or any other fight since he got sparked by a pro-celebrity golfer and realised his jaw is made out of the finest crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
It must be true what they say about love blinding you to the deficiencies of others.
And it begin's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingLike the Ibragimov fight, right? Or any other fight since he got sparked by a pro-celebrity golfer and realised his jaw is made out of the finest crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
It must be true what they say about love blinding you to the deficiencies of others.
Question: Anybody knows who will have the belt in the end, Ruslan or the Giant hairy beast?
This fight will be the first fight for a Saddoboxing.com title, it is that important.
Even though Chagaev isn't super fast or strong, I think he is a lot more cagey than Ibragimov. I am gonna stay optomistic about this and say it ends up being more on par with the Thompson fight which was not a bad fight.
Totally agree. I think it could be a surprising fight. I quite like Chagaev, he has decent skills for a contemporary heavyweight. If he is anywhere near his best then I think he is capable of putting up a very decent showing.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I'm quite looking forward to it. If anything someone like Chagaev is probably more deserving of a shot at Wlad than Haye anyway. So, it has turned out pretty well IMO.
Then you must love yourself unconditionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
How many times has it been said that AT HEAVYWEIGHT "One punch, no matter who throws it can end a fight"....Corrie Sanders wasn't in great shape but that explains his kamikaze style in that fight, he knew he had to win in the first few rounds or he wouldn't have a chance. There's no excuses for Wlad in that loss, he gave up his height and reach, left himself open and got beat, he's learned a lot from that...we've seen proof that he has, he's become a more polished fighter.
Also if you are a David Haye supporter, I wouldn't go talking about glass jaws if I was you
I will lean towards Valuev having the belt as he has Satan.....I mean Don King in his cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
You know what I agree with all of that, except the last sentence. Haye's 'glass jaw' is overexaggerated. He actually took a fair bit of punishment off Carl Thompson in their fight & finished on his feet. I would say his chin is probably a bit better than Wlad's, but for me there's no question who is the bigger puncher & who is the better technically (by far).Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleThen you must love yourself unconditionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
How many times has it been said that AT HEAVYWEIGHT "One punch, no matter who throws it can end a fight"....Corrie Sanders wasn't in great shape but that explains his kamikaze style in that fight, he knew he had to win in the first few rounds or he wouldn't have a chance. There's no excuses for Wlad in that loss, he gave up his height and reach, left himself open and got beat, he's learned a lot from that...we've seen proof that he has, he's become a more polished fighter.
Also if you are a David Haye supporter, I wouldn't go talking about glass jaws if I was you
What happened vs Mormeck? Jean ain't exactly what we would call a "power puncher" and beyond that Jean isn't a heavyweight either and therefore he's not a heavyweight power puncher like Wladimir.
And didn't Haye get wobbled a couple more times in his career by some light hitting guys??
Also David Haye has never been tagged by a heavyweight....if he's getting his first true chin check from Wladimir's right cross or left hook, I don't think it's going to go very well.
I didn't think the Mormeck one was a bad KD, he certainly recovered from it well. I'm not saying he's Marvin Hagler or George Chuvalo, but I think he's less chinny than people make out. Like I said though Wlad is the much bigger puncher, personally I think he hits harder than Vitali or any other HW since probably Tyson, however he leaves himself open to get KO'd himself when he goes for it, so is not as exciting as he could be, but if he hits almost anyone in the HW divison clean with that right cross, then they're gone IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't think that reaction was all that great, he did eventually recover from it, but to fold up like that on a seemingly innocent looking punch....well it doesn't give me much confidence that he could even handle Wladimir's jab
He hasn't become a more polished fighter, he's become scared of his own shadow in the ring and terrified to throw his right hand. He's so bad to watch he can't even get on HBO anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleThen you must love yourself unconditionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
How many times has it been said that AT HEAVYWEIGHT "One punch, no matter who throws it can end a fight"....Corrie Sanders wasn't in great shape but that explains his kamikaze style in that fight, he knew he had to win in the first few rounds or he wouldn't have a chance. There's no excuses for Wlad in that loss, he gave up his height and reach, left himself open and got beat, he's learned a lot from that...we've seen proof that he has, he's become a more polished fighter.
Also if you are a David Haye supporter, I wouldn't go talking about glass jaws if I was you
I think Chagaev will take more chances than Ibragimov did. Which is good for us (the viewers) but bad for him.
Wlad will take him out in 8-9 rounds.
Anyone see the Ring article online that claims this is a better fight than Wlad vs. Haye would have been!?
It claims Haye would have been knocked out early.
More importantly Ring Magazine is making this fight for the Ring Magazine Heavyweight Championship since Wlad is rated #1 and Chagaev is rated #3.
Gimme a break! :rolleyes:
Anyway Lyle, I see this going a lot like the Sultan Ibragimov fight now that you mentioned that one.
Ibragimov probably had more of a shot since he actually hits hard.
How Chageav may even pull off an upset,is he moves and slips really well for a Soviet era trained fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
This fight could turn out like the Sultan fight but i doubt it though.
I expect Wlad to win in 7.
...odd choice of words considering what happened to your fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There's only 2 ways to beat Wlad #1 Take numerous blows to the head and hope that Wlad tires out #2 Catch him with a hard power punch and be able to follow up....I SUPPOSE he could be outboxed, but we haven't seen it and it ain't like Chagaev is blowing fighters out of the water here either, he beat Ruiz and Valuev, but both those guys were still in the fight at the end.
Agreed on that one. I too will stay optimistic. Chagaev is a solid boxer and he has a few good names on his resume. He will have a similar strategy as Ibragimov because there really isn't another strategy if you are 6'1, 228. That said, he may be more of a warrior than Ibragimov and force some oppenings when Ibragimov was more content on being safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Agreed. Vlad may force the action more than in the Ibragimov fight because there are higher expectations in that the fight was Haye was expected to be exciting. Another boring fight wouldn't bear well for Vlad's reputation and even with Vlad's chin I'm not sure Chagaev has the power to scare him.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think wide UD. Same as every other fight.
Chagaev seems sturdy enough but form what i've seen, i think Wladimir's Jab will be way too much.
Wladimir will probably be cautious of the Cagey types so don't expect fireworks.
I've gone Wlad UD, think he's just too big and will keep the smaller man at bay with his jab....
I'm trying not to let everybody elses opinions of this being a dead cert bore fest get to me.!!! As I will be at the fight! :cool:
Not my first big fight by any means but my first time for a HW world title fight! I'm pissed that Haye wont be fighting but I still get to see the HW Champion Of The World!
Do you think they'll still have Buffer as the MC seeing as it's not on HBO? I hope so, I can't help but love the: 'Now, for the thousands in attendance and the millions watching around the world....' speech ;D;D
I don't see Wlad going for the KO. This fight is risky for him so I see him playing it cagey as not to risk future paydays. He hasn't been preparing for a southpaw and has just switched his training. Chagaev will make life difficult for him, but I see Wlad winning a decision. If Chagaev won though, I wouldn't be shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I've heard the WBA title will not be on the line, as Valuev is champion, neither Chagaev nor Wlad have applied to the WBA to sanction the fight, and the WBA said they would be unlikely to sanction it even if a request came in as Chagaev's position as champion in recess is under discussion.
I hope to hell this fight has more thrills and fireworks than that of the stinky 2008 fiasco of "Klit-Iggy" from New York........
If Rusty Chagaev is gonna make a name for himself, he's got to get the lead out and make a stand....... No jackin' around in the ring posing and feinting, and not throwing anything worth while... I hate that....
I see Wlad Klit as the better man..... It sounds like both are serious, so I expect a good fight...... My guess is, Klit by late round TKO........ Peace...
MR.BILL
fightnews.com said something about this fight getting picked up by ESPN Classic!
I say Wlad by ko, Ruslan will find out he's not in with the second rate HWs that he's use to fighting.