Of Rape?
I guess we'll never know, but my opinion is that he was set up.
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Of Rape?
I guess we'll never know, but my opinion is that he was set up.
I never felt he was set up but on the same hand I never felt he was truly guilty.
The girl knew what was going on she was there against the rules of the pagent,
they fooled around they had a good time Mike talked her into doing the deed, I am sure with some pursuasion afterwards he treated her like a scrub she was offended and that was her way of getting back at him and covering her ass at the same time
He was guilty of using the wrong lawyer is all....that conviction actually prolonged his career so in the end it benefitted him
Watching the recent Tyson film, I thought it was quite telling that he still showed genuine hatred towards her. He seemed like someone that TRULY believes they were wronged.
Desire Washington had previously accused a high school athlete of rape.
She went to Tyson's hotel room, sometime around 2 to 3 a.m.
When she arrived, she admittedly removed her panty liner in the bathroom
After they were done having sex/rape, Desire asked Mike to walk her down stairs to her limo. Mike refused, and they got into an argument.
She then waits over 24 hours before she calls 911.
The case was ultimately assigned to a judge who was a former rape prosecutor.
The judge made numerous questionable decisions during the trial which went against Tyson.
For instance, he would not allow three witnesses from the pageant testify, who observed Washington and Tyson making out earlier that night. His rulings were based on legal technicalities.
Desire Washington testified at the criminal trial, that this was not about money, and that she would not bring a civil suit against Tyson. Immediately after the criminal trial , she filed a civil suit.
The bottom line is that the case came down to credibility: his word against hers. And apparently, the beauty queen made a better witness then the fighter.
I always thought he was innocent of rape and the way he talked about "That wretched swine of a woman";D Desiree in his film/documentary really did reinforce that somewhat.
Good summary & in addition to her being a better witness, it sounds like she might be a good liar too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
hmmmm multi millionaire boxer vs a wannabe
tough call :-X
I don't believe he did it. He has remained resolute over the years that he was wronged. 3 years in jail on what basis exactly? He has every right to be bitter.
Nice postQuote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Tyson has admitted to a lot of horrible things, but yet he still completely denies that he raped Desiree Washington. Again, it's just my opinion, but I think Tyson would probably have admitted it at this stahe had he have done it :-\
One of Mike Tyson's quotes.
"He called me a 'rapist" and a '"reclulse". I'm not a recluse."
We all say things in the moment. I would hardly see that as a confession. He was convicted of rape, perhaps he should have said "convicted rapist". :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Never believed he was guilty right from the start any women going to some guys hotel room at 3am knows what shes doing.
I think he would have owned up by now but still he says he did not raper her.
Well i doubt i would ever say that in the moment, if i had been convicted of rape. Im sorry but everyone that is defending Mike Tyson in this thread is a Mike Tyson fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWe all say things in the moment. I would hardly see that as a confession. He was convicted of rape, perhaps he should have said "convicted rapist". :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So the women did falsely accuse a guy of rape before, that doesn't mean she falsely accused Mike Tyson does it ? so she never called up the police until 24 hours.
Alot of women that have been raped don't call the police straight away, i mean all the comments in this thread are a little bit over the top, to try and defend Mike Tyson IMO.
Now im no expert on this case and im not saying he did or didn't do it, but all the comments im reading in this thread really prove nothing. I think the best thing we could do is try and post the evidence or ETC. From the court case did they find any evidence that she had been raped ?
I dont know,the man just lost his daughter.Who really knows?
If he's in good enough shape to get married yesterday, then I don't think we are out of order for talking about himQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's not the type of thing I would probably say either. But then I haven't really experienced the things Tyson has. Especially the media post jail! The context of the quote might go someway to explaining Tyson's choice of words too. Taken on their own the words don't look good, but I don't know whether words were put in his mouth or if he was simply reacting from a whole heap of bad interviews. It doesn't sound like a confession though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell i doubt i would ever say that in the moment, if i had been convicted of rape. Im sorry but everyone that is defending Mike Tyson in this thread is a Mike Tyson fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWe all say things in the moment. I would hardly see that as a confession. He was convicted of rape, perhaps he should have said "convicted rapist". :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So the women did falsely accuse a guy of rape before, that doesn't mean she falsely accused Mike Tyson does it ? so she never called up the police until 24 hours.
Alot of women that have been raped don't call the police straight away, i mean all the comments in this thread are a little bit over the top, to try and defend Mike Tyson IMO.
Now im no expert on this case and im not saying he did or didn't do it, but all the comments im reading in this thread really prove nothing. I think the best thing we could do is try and post the evidence or ETC. From the court case did they find any evidence that she had been raped ?
What is the evidence to say he raped her? I don't think there was a whole lot going on what I have heard of the case.
I don't know why but that made me LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HIf he's in good enough shape to get married yesterday, then I don't think we are out of order for talking about himQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Fair enough.Shite....I didn't realize he got hitched that soon.Now I DEF question his wellness;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HIf he's in good enough shape to get married yesterday, then I don't think we are out of order for talking about himQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Hes a grown man and made his own bed.
One of his many many great quotes. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
In some countries, under circumstances similar to those in the Tyson vs Washington "rape" case, it will be extremely difficult to get a guilty verdict.
With "a" victim severely bruised and battered, there might be a chance, otherwise even "pro bono" lawyers can, without much effort, get the defendant a not guilty verdict.
Come on gentlemen, Tyson was ripe to be the poster child for... "too much, too soon", when celebrities gone wayward!
Everybody without agendas nor bias can filter that... easy.
who really gives a shit, only 3 know what really happened, the fighter, the beauty queen, and god, if he really did rape her, well, he did his time already, move on
In his own mind, I'm sure he did nothing wrong. According to the letter of the law, no means no and all that, then maybe he did. Maybe she was going for it, had second thoughts at the last minute, and he wasn't exactly in the mood to listen. Under the law, she is not obligated to put up a fight.
But like the terrible one says, who knows for sure.
Let's not talk about any fights or fighters from the past either then, cos it's done already and we should move on ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I have no idea if he did or didn't and have never even really given it a lot of thought. I will say that him being angry at her still doesn't mean a whole lot in relation to his guilt or innocence IMO.
In 2003 there was a special about this case that a former prosecutor commented much on. I was in the middle until I saw this special and I was appalled. The former prosecutor said no way there should have been a conviction and most of Tyson's evidence was not admitted in court. Not admissible: the fact that they agreed to get together at a hotel later, he called her at 2:30am and she agreed to come to the hotel, she laid in bed with him and made out then went to the bathroom took out her tampon and got back in bed with him, she did ask him to walk her out after sex, she said she was a virgin even during the trial but she lost her virginity to an ex-boyfriend who she also accused of raping her because she didn't want to face her strict father, she had an agreement with her lawyer for a 50/50 split of suing for an amount of $2million if they got a conviction, and also the 911 call. She waited a day to not go to the police station but call 911. And they wouldn't play the 911 call in court. The 911 call itself was unbelievable. Even the former prosecutor said knowing all this information only after the trial would be like handcuffing the defendant before the trial. Wanting something and making sure it happened.
In my opinion Tyson was made an example of, celebritys and athletes think they can get away with all sorts of shit... doesn't mean he did was guilty though, but they wanted to make an example and send a message out.
and fuck Dony King for not even getting him a proper Laywer, the conviction hasn't exactly done Tyson any favours or helped his life... how many millions did he have available to get him the right laywer? He gave the case to his mate... I forget exactly but he was primarily an accountent or some shit... I think he'd passed the bar test and done a few cases... none of them that big and none of them sexual assualt or anything close.
Yeah, but come on... he's well aware that he was convicted of rape... and that's what the public see him as. It's probably not very comfortable for him to talk about in the first place, he's not going to go into the finer points of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
It's amazing how many women leave it till after the 'last minute' to change the mind! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
it's no good getting fucked and then feeling guilty/a whore or what ever goes through freaks like her's heads afterwards and deciding that because you have now decided that you didn't want to that you were raped.
Hindsight seems to count for shit in life, except when women get innocent men done for rape.
We're talking two different situations here. I agree that if yours is true, then he's innocent, but I was describing something different. Again, who knows what really happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBIt's amazing how many women leave it till after the 'last minute' to change the mind! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
it's no good getting fucked and then feeling guilty/a whore or what ever goes through freaks like her's heads afterwards and deciding that because you have now decided that you didn't want to that you were raped.
Hindsight seems to count for shit in life, except when women get innocent men done for rape.
Only the two of them.
I highly suspect that she went expecting some amazing night of passion and after the reality had sat in that she'd just been bashed around the matress by Tyson she decided that she had been raped.
That's if it wasn't all about getting her hands on some green of course.
His trial happened not so long after a member of the Kennedy family walked free from a trial when there was much more compelling evidence. It's hard not to believe Tyson would have been found not guilty if he hadn't been black and had the reputation he had, been seen as a ferocious individual and so on.
Correct. No such thing as an untainted, unbiased jury. Maybe in a perfect world, but not this one in which we live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
thing is when we talk about fighters from the past, we talk about their accomplishments in the ring, i don't hear anyone on here bitching about how Leonard was a coke addict, or how Griffith is a flaming homo, we talk about what they accomplished and not what they might of or might of not done in their personal livesQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HLet's not talk about any fights or fighters from the past either then, cos it's done already and we should move on ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I don't know whether she was raped or not but i do know that she was partially to blame for being so irresponsible. If she was raped, she sure showed bad judgement by going up to mike's room alone. Maybe she figured he was harmless because he was a celebrity. Girls never go alone to a strange mans hotel room.
I cannot believe that you guys havent seen one very good reason she cried rape. Tyson was one of the judges at the pageant little miss devious washington decided let Irom Mike have her that way he'll vote for her and she'll win. But Mike had what he wanted and was finished with her. Washington went on with the pageant sang and danced perfectly OK but it was when she hadnt won that the idea of calling rape came to her. Tyson was railroaded
If the guy is a millionaire, celebrity, star, etc. lots of girls out there won't care. Desiree hit the $$$jackpot$$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
No. A girl goes to your hotel room at 2 in the morning she ain't going there to play cards. She going there to get fukkedQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Tyson cocky attiude didn't exactly help him. Especially with a female judge. Like Lyle said his lawyers were horrible. One wasn't even a criminal lawyer. He was tax lawyer
Isn't that what Big H is saying ???
Personally i think he is not guilty.
most rapists do believe they've done nothing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster