Nonito Donaire Jr. is now Ring Mag's #7 P4P Boxer

Nonito Donaire Jr. is now Ring Mag's #7 P4P Boxer... Cotto was demoted 2 places down from #7 to #9 (guess Ring Mag's editors didn't like Cotto's performance against Clottey)...

Here's the complete P4P Top Ten list:

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1. Manny Pacquiao
Country: Philippines
Record: 49-3-2 (37 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 289
Titles: The Ring
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2. Juan Manuel Marquez
Country: Mexico
Record: 50-4-1 (37 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 118
Titles: WBA, WBO, The Ring
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3. Bernard Hopkins
Country: USA (Philadelphia, Pa.)
Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 158
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4. Shane Mosley
Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)
Record: 46-5-0 (39 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 21
Titles: WBA
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5. Israel Vazquez
Country: Mexico
Record: 43-4-0 (31 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 98
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6. Rafael Marquez
Country: Mexico
Record: 38-5-0 (34 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #6 | Weeks On List: 56
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7. Nonito Donaire
Country: Philippines
Record: 21-1-0 (14 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 7
Titles: IBF
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8. Vic Darchinyan
Country: Armenia
Record: 32-1-1 (26 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 19
Titles: WBA, WBC, IBF
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9. Miguel Cotto
Country: Puerto Rico
Record: 34-1-0 (27 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: #7 | Weeks On List: 7
Titles: WBO
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10. Celestino Caballero
Country: Panama
Record: 32-2-0 (22 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: #10 | Weeks On List: 21
Titles: WBA, IBF

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Why wouldn't he be, IMO he is one of the best fighters in world, and he has it all, great boxing skills, power, and speed. He is truly a great fighter. I don't see why Vic is ahead of Cotto though he is nothing special IMO.

Actually both Cotto and Calderon got demoted. Seems a bit harsh imo.

Cotto demonstrated what a true champion should be doing with the unfortunate nasty cut. HBO commentators even said that was the greatest Cotto win and I agree. I dont understand why he went down to #9.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Why wouldn't he be, IMO he is one of the best fighters in world, and he has it all, great boxing skills, power, and speed. He is truly a great fighter. I don't see why Vic is ahead of Cotto though he is nothing special IMO.

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You're totally right about that... Donaire is a complete package, a bit of everything... boxing skills, power and speed...

After his next dominating and impressive win, he will probably climb up cracking the Top 5 P4P list...
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Originally Posted by Quinito

Actually both Cotto and Calderon got demoted. Seems a bit harsh imo.

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Calderon deserved his demotion

I gotta say at first I didnt' like Nonito because after his first lost he turned his back at the sport. I remember me and mick joke about trading Nonito and Israel country sides, since I was and still am a big fan of Izzy and mick i guess was impress with nonito. Nonito has regain his desire to fight and after he took his time away from the sport he came back with fire. I am completely impress with him now and truly believe he can dominate for a long time. IMO Nonito is the best boxer from the philippines and Pac is the best fighter. Nonito is highly skilled and unlike other masterful boxer Nonito ends fight with a bang. His exciting and he demonstrate the sweet science.

Im glad to see him climb up the p4p rankings and get the credits he deserve.

I still don't feel Donaire deserves to be top 10 P4P at the moment.

Cotto should be ranked above him clearly imo.

Saturday’s welterweight matchup between top contenders Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey was an intense clash of styles that entertained a packed Madison Square Garden arena and millions of fans watching the live HBO and international broadcasts.

Cotto’s hard-fought victory over Clottey was bloody, gutsy, dramatic and ultimately controversial.

However, the win was far from decisive, a fact that has led THE RING editorial board to lower Cotto’s placement in the magazine’s pound-for-pound ratings.

Most boxing writers have considered Cotto to be among the sport’s elite fighters ever since his close decision victory over Shane Mosley in November of 2007.

There was a brief period when he was off THE RING’s pound-for-pound list following his stoppage loss to Antonio Margarito last July. However, after a strong showing against Michael Jennings in February and the revelation that Margarito attempted to load his gloves before his fight with Shane Mosley casting a cloud of suspicion over the Mexican’s victory over Cotto, the Puerto Rican star was reinstated at No. 7 on THE RING’s pound-for-pound list.

However, it’s one thing to struggle with a future hall of famer like Mosley, or to be knocked out by a relentless iron-chinned mauler who may have had loaded gloves; but it’s quite another to go life and death with Clottey.

Clottey is by no means a pushover. The Bronx-based Ghanaian has earned his place among the top welterweight contenders. However, Clottey usually does just enough to win or lose his pivotal fights, which prevents him from being perceived as a “world-beater” by most fans and boxing writers.

He was thoroughly outworked by Margarito after he outclassed the Mexican over the first four rounds. He struggled in the late rounds against fringe contender Richar Gutierrez. Even his victory over former champ Zab Judah, which earned him a shot at Cotto, was a close, technical split decision.

The bottom line is that Clottey is a solid-but-unspectacular fighter, the kind of opponent an elite fighter should decisively beat.

Thus, Cotto fell from No. 7 to No. 9 in THE RING pound-for-pound ratings. His demotion advanced Nonito Donaire and Vic Darchinyan one slot each to No. 7 and No. 8, respectively.

“While Cotto showed a lot of heart in overcoming a serious cut and a strong bid by Clottey, after a brief discussion THE RING editorial board unanimously agreed he did not look like the seventh best fighter in the world and that an adjustment was in order,” RING editor Nigel Collins said.

Cotto fans need not work themselves into an uproar if they happen to disagree with Collins and company.

The Puerto Rican star may get the opportunity to advance to the top of THE RING’s pound-for-pound ratings and every other boxing publication and fight writer’s pound-for-pound list.

Bob Arum, promoter of both Cotto and pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao, would like to match his two top fighters in November of this year.

Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer and friend, has stated on record that he is open to a Cotto fight as long as the welterweight titleholder is willing to come down a few pounds, perhaps to a 143- or 144-pound catch weight.

“Before he fought Clottey, we talked to Miguel about the possibility of fighting Pacquiao and he was open to fighting at a catchweight,” said Lee Samuels, Top Rank’s publicist.

“We still have to get an OK from Manny and Freddie, but that’s the fight Bob is hoping to get done. We’ve already reserved a date with the MGM Grand (resort and casino in Las Vegas) for November 14.”

Pacquiao, who was in New York City this past weekend to collect his 2008 Fighter of the Year award from the Boxing Writers Association of America, was ringside for Cotto-Clottey. The Filipino icon was impressed with Cotto’s performance, according to Samuels.

“Bob sat next to Manny during the fight and Manny told him ‘I know how difficult it is to fight with a bad cut like that. I fought with a cut like that in my first fight with Erik Morales and I know it’s very hard to compete like that,’” Samuels said.

Pacquiao has other options for his November opponent, such as current WBA welterweight titleholder Shane Mosley, but Samuels says Cotto is the frontrunner.

“Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard Schaefer is actively pursuing Pacquiao for Mosley, and it isn’t like that fight is out of the question; we work well with Golden Boy Promotions, but Bob sees Cotto as the bigger draw for Pacquiao.”

Samuels said Mosley, who has had a tough time finding a worthy opponent since destroying Margarito in January, might want to consider Clottey.

“Not long after Saturday’s fight, Clottey told us he would like to fight Andre Berto or Shane Mosley,” .Samuels said. “He’s even willing to fight Paul Williams at 147 pounds, so those are the fights we’ll try to make for him.”

Speaking of Clottey, did his terrific effort against Cotto advance his placement in THE RING’s welterweight rankings...

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Originally Posted by Pugilistic

I still don't feel Donaire deserves to be top 10 P4P at the moment.

Cotto should be ranked above him clearly imo.

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Agreed. While Donaire is a great fighter, Cotto's resume is much better with wins over Mosley, Clottey, Judah, and now a fight that he lost whether or not his opponent had illegal hand wraps in that fight. Cotto fights the best of the best at a very hot division right now.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Why wouldn't he be, IMO he is one of the best fighters in world, and he has it all, great boxing skills, power, and speed. He is truly a great fighter. I don't see why Vic is ahead of Cotto though he is nothing special IMO.

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What? Totally disagree. He beats everyone. He was the underdog in his last two fights and beat down p4p Mijares and pummelled Arce into a pulp. During that time span, who has Donaire beat? If he beats King Kong, he should jump above Donaire.

Forget about Vic's accomplishments. The fact that matters most is DONAIRE BEATS DARCHINYAN ANYTIME IN ANY WEIGHT CLASS.

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Originally Posted by Quinito

Forget about Vic's accomplishments. The fact that matters most is DONAIRE BEATS DARCHINYAN ANYTIME IN ANY WEIGHT CLASS.

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If they rematch in the future yeah but it hasn't happened yet so Vic should be ranked higher than Donaire currently.

Actually, Darchinyan needs to defeat Donaire in rematch to be ahead of him. I bet the Ring sees it that way too.

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Originally Posted by Quinito

Actually, Darchinyan needs to defeat Donaire in rematch to be ahead of him. I bet the Ring sees it that way too.

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Why? Vic has gone on to achieve more. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Donaire fan, but I don't think his achievements since his win over Vic warrant a higher place in the P4P, when Vic moved up in weight and unified the belts with impressive victories. Your logic, once again, suggests that we should discount Pacquiao's achievements since his losses, and that Medgoen Singsurat should be ranked above him until Pac avenges the loss.

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Actually, Darchinyan needs to defeat Donaire in rematch to be ahead of him. I bet the Ring sees it that way too.

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Why? Vic has gone on to achieve more. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Donaire fan, but I don't think his achievements since his win over Vic warrant a higher place in the P4P, when Vic moved up in weight and unified the belts with impressive victories. Your logic, once again, suggests that we should discount Pacquiao's achievements since his losses, and that Medgoen Singsurat should be ranked above him until Pac avenges the loss.

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I couldn't of said it any better myself. :)

I like your logic. That's another way for Darchinyan to be ahead of Donaire. Vic may defeat Agbeko and replace Donaire's spot but not for long. Donaire will be fighting a world title at 115 this August.

Vic deserves his spot, he's lost once yes but since has just about destroyed everyone he faced when most said he wouldn't even win. Williams should be on this list too. Since he could beat damn near everyone on this list twice. Hell and he could almost make the weight of eveyone one the list to prove it. Like it or not cotto's last fight was great to some and a robbery to others him loosing to margo (in question), fighting jennings, and a controversal (to some) win against clottey isn't exactly gonna light up the pfp list. If anyone should be dropped down or off it's hopkins, i like the guy but out of his last six fights he's lost three. Fight dawson or get off the pfp pot.

I think it is rightfully deserved, I have been on a high opinion of this kid long before he ever beat Vic, he is a complete package, he boxes, he has power, he is fast he has a solid chin.

Hard to argue with his in ring results as well...If he was a few weight classes heavier he would be a big star

I'm atually really suprised Donaire is so high in all honesty. His only win of note was his suprise ko of Darchinyan. Since then what has he done? He beat Maldonado but less impressively than Montiel did, and he's fought a couple of top 10 guys on little note.

He's only in the top 10 because Darchinyan has gone on to win more titles and at a higher weight, his own resume certainly doesn't warrent top 7 p4p status, not even close.

His inclusion is even worse than Christian Mijares and we all know how that went.

Seriously Juan Guzman, David Haye, Kelly Pavlik, Arthur Abraham, Tim Bradley, Shane Mosely, Chad Dawson, Thomas Adamek, they have all done as much if not more than Nonito Donaire.

It's the little guy positive discrimination at work again. These small guys fight in divisions that have literally (check boxrec) about half sometimes only a third of the competition that is to be found at the higher weights and yet people talk about their silky skills and boxing prowess elavating them far above what they really are.

Let's see Donaire actually fight and beat somebody first before he gets put as high as top 7 p4p.

I can't remember any other fighter getting rated so high for achieving so little. When he beat Darchinyan Vic wasn't even in the top 10 p4p and he's beaten no one of real significance since so why so high?

He's there because of what Vic has done since in beating Arce and especially Mijares.

The ring (and most on here) elevated Mijares well above his actual ability and when Darchinyan demolished him they have now elevated Donaire based on those results.

It's a farce in all honesty. It could have just been a bad night for Vic when he got stopped, lets see Donaire beat Montiel or Vic in a rematch before we all state he's one of the absolute world's best.

I'd rate Juan Guzman well above him.

Darchinyan should be chasing the man who humiliated and made him bleed for the first time.

aside from Darchinyan who has Donaire beaten to deserve the #10 spot, much less the #7 spot, IMO the Ring's P4P list has become a joke, Marquez finally fought and it was against a bum, Izzy hasn't fought in over a year yet both are ranked above Cotto :confused:, i say that their rankings are ok up til Mosley, after that it's pretty much just a mess, and yea Darchinyan should be ranked above Donaire, since his loss to Donaire he went up in weight and beat Mijares to become the Undisputed Champion in his weight class, then blew Arce away, what has Donaire done, and against who?

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

aside from Darchinyan who has Donaire beaten to deserve the #10 spot, much less the #7 spot, IMO the Ring's P4P list has become a joke, Marquez finally fought and it was against a bum, Izzy hasn't fought in over a year yet both are ranked above Cotto :confused:, i say that their rankings are ok up til Mosley, after that it's pretty much just a mess, and yea Darchinyan should be ranked above Donaire, since his loss to Donaire he went up in weight and beat Mijares to become the Undisputed Champion in his weight class, then blew Arce away, what has Donaire done, and against who?

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I like your thinking Elterrible. Darchinyan aside Donaire has fought literally nobody, he has the worst record of any top 10 p4p ranked fighter probably in the last 5 years, certainly top 7.

One win against a world champion, never even fought a single other world champ current or former, never fought a p4p star (Vic wasn't near the p4p when Donaire beat him) yet he's considered better than 3 time world champ Paul Williams who has beaten 4 reigning world champs I think 5 in all, at 3 different weights or Chad Dawson who has 3 wins over former unisputed and p4p stars plus a win over the two time and current cruiserweight Ring champ, not to mention he's still undefeated. :confused:

His resume sucks, the ONLY reason he is in the top 10 is because Darchinyan beat Arce and Mijares. If he hadn't Donaire wouldn't be in the top 10 its a undisputable fact.

So he's been prmoted to 7th on the rankings based soley on what ANOTHER fighter has achieved AFTER he fought him? :confused:

Donaire will keep his #7 standing (or even improve more) in the P4P list as long as he keeps on winning impressively... Donaire already established that he's P4P material after his HUGE win over Darchinyan... Any Darchinyan win will always be a plus to Donaire's resume (as long as Donaire wins impressively too)... People at Ring Mag can't really put Donaire below Darchinyan because of that HUGE KO win coupled with Donaire performing very well himself...

Darchinyan could not beat Gorres.

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

Donaire will keep his #7 standing (or even improve more) in the P4P list as long as he keeps on winning impressively... Donaire already established that he's P4P material after his HUGE win over Darchinyan... Any Darchinyan win will always be a plus to Donaire's resume (as long as Donaire wins impressively too)... People at Ring Mag can't really put Donaire below Darchinyan because of that HUGE KO win coupled with Donaire performing very well himself...

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So you think Cotto should be ranked above Mosley because he beat him?

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Donaire will keep his #7 standing (or even improve more) in the P4P list as long as he keeps on winning impressively... Donaire already established that he's P4P material after his HUGE win over Darchinyan... Any Darchinyan win will always be a plus to Donaire's resume (as long as Donaire wins impressively too)... People at Ring Mag can't really put Donaire below Darchinyan because of that HUGE KO win coupled with Donaire performing very well himself...

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So you think Cotto should be ranked above Mosley because he beat him?

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Definitely if Cotto was not defeated since that fight but unfortunately Cotto got beaten badly by Margcheat...
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

aside from Darchinyan who has Donaire beaten to deserve the #10 spot, much less the #7 spot, IMO the Ring's P4P list has become a joke, Marquez finally fought and it was against a bum, Izzy hasn't fought in over a year yet both are ranked above Cotto :confused:, i say that their rankings are ok up til Mosley, after that it's pretty much just a mess, and yea Darchinyan should be ranked above Donaire, since his loss to Donaire he went up in weight and beat Mijares to become the Undisputed Champion in his weight class, then blew Arce away, what has Donaire done, and against who?

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agree with every word of this post ^^

I've noticed the people who defend Donaire's #7 ranking at p4p are Pacman fans. Quite a shocker I say! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I've noticed the people who defend Donaire's #7 ranking at p4p are Pacman fans. Quite a shocker I say! :rolleyes:

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You will be more shocked if you discover that RING Mag's ranking committee is composed mostly of Pacman fans... Not your usual PAC fans but die hard PAC nuthuggers... :o
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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I've noticed the people who defend Donaire's #7 ranking at p4p are Pacman fans. Quite a shocker I say! :rolleyes:

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You will be more shocked if you discover that RING Mag's ranking committee is composed mostly of Pacman fans... Not your usual PAC fans but die hard PAC nuthuggers... :o
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so in other words, your kind of people...

I'm a fan of Donaire partly because he comes to the ring with a live philipino hip hop group, but he is a little too high on the list. His record and accomplishments merit a spot in the top fifteen. Vic should be above Donaire right now and he should remain above Donaire if he beats Agbeko. His string of victories - Arce, Mijares, and Agbeko (if) - is impressive even with the alleged "positive discrimination" toward smaller men.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I've noticed the people who defend Donaire's #7 ranking at p4p are Pacman fans. Quite a shocker I say! :rolleyes:

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You will be more shocked if you discover that RING Mag's ranking committee is composed mostly of Pacman fans... Not your usual PAC fans but die hard PAC nuthuggers... :o
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so in other words, your kind of people...

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I hate to say this but it seems this kind of people are all over the boxing world... It maybe because PAC is the man in boxing right now... The greatest active boxer at the moment... We can do nothing at all about that... Their number seems increasing exponentially everyday...

That's my personal opinion only and you can take it as a joke...;)
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I'm a fan of Donaire partly because he comes to the ring with a live philipino hip hop group, but he is a little too high on the list. His record and accomplishments merit a spot in the top fifteen. Vic should be above Donaire right now and he should remain above Donaire if he beats Agbeko. His string of victories - Arce, Mijares, and Agbeko (if) - is impressive even with the alleged "positive discrimination" toward smaller men.

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No way Vic to be ahead of Donaire. Donaire dominated & KO Vic. The reason Arce & Mijares fought Dachinyan is because Donaire shows how to beat Darchinyan. Unfortunately for them... They got Koed by Vic.

And the reason why Dachinyan keep moving up is to get away from Donaire.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I'm a fan of Donaire partly because he comes to the ring with a live philipino hip hop group, but he is a little too high on the list. His record and accomplishments merit a spot in the top fifteen. Vic should be above Donaire right now and he should remain above Donaire if he beats Agbeko. His string of victories - Arce, Mijares, and Agbeko (if) - is impressive even with the alleged "positive discrimination" toward smaller men.

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No way Vic to be ahead of Donaire. Donaire dominated & KO Vic. The reason Arce & Mijares fought Dachinyan is because Donaire shows how to beat Darchinyan. Unfortunately for them... They got Koed by Vic.

And the reason why Dachinyan keep moving up is to get away from Donaire.

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Very TRUE... Darchi can't be ahead of Donaire if Donaire keeps winning impressively or until Darchi avenging his KO loss to Donaire...
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Originally Posted by Quinito

Actually, Darchinyan needs to defeat Donaire in rematch to be ahead of him. I bet the Ring sees it that way too.

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Why? Vic has gone on to achieve more. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Donaire fan, but I don't think his achievements since his win over Vic warrant a higher place in the P4P, when Vic moved up in weight and unified the belts with impressive victories. Your logic, once again, suggests that we should discount Pacquiao's achievements since his losses, and that Medgoen Singsurat should be ranked above him until Pac avenges the loss.

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bzkfn, your opinion on this is quite puzzling. why would you compare medgeon-pac to a donaire darch scenario, when darch is waaaay ahead of medgeon in terms of greatness?
quite frankly, darch avoided nonito. the fact that he avoided him proves nonito is the real deal, and everyone on the ring mag acknowledges this. how a fighter is avoided by the elite should be one of the criterias on how a selection is made for inclusion to the list. i guess that's one of their criterias, really. darch could really have achieved more imo,if he accepted an immediate rematch from nonito. wanna know when that challenge happened for the first time? after darch fully recovered being wasted on their fight, getting up from his corner, while the media have to force vic for an interview right there and then inside the mat, which vic was reluctant to because of the shock and shame he obsorbed (with the thrash talk and cockiness during and before the fight). did he really achieved more? he run from his greatest fear. you can make an argument that nonito could have achieved more only if arce, hussein, mijares and montiel accepted his offer for a fight, which they did'nt. and that's a fact.
my question for you bzkfn,in terms of courage who do you rate more? nonito or vic?

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Actually, Darchinyan needs to defeat Donaire in rematch to be ahead of him. I bet the Ring sees it that way too.

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Why? Vic has gone on to achieve more. Don't get me wrong I'm a big Donaire fan, but I don't think his achievements since his win over Vic warrant a higher place in the P4P, when Vic moved up in weight and unified the belts with impressive victories. Your logic, once again, suggests that we should discount Pacquiao's achievements since his losses, and that Medgoen Singsurat should be ranked above him until Pac avenges the loss.

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bzkfn, your opinion on this is quite puzzling. why would you compare medgeon-pac to a donaire darch scenario, when darch is waaaay ahead of medgeon in terms of greatness?
quite frankly, darch avoided nonito. the fact that he avoided him proves nonito is the real deal, and everyone on the ring mag acknowledges this. how a fighter is avoided by the elite should be one of the criterias on how a selection is made for inclusion to the list. i guess that's one of their criterias, really. darch could really have achieved more imo,if he accepted an immediate rematch from nonito. wanna know when that challenge happened for the first time? after darch fully recovered being wasted on their fight, getting up from his corner, while the media have to force vic for an interview right there and then inside the mat, which vic was reluctant to because of the shock and shame he obsorbed (with the thrash talk and cockiness during and before the fight). did he really achieved more? he run from his greatest fear. you can make an argument that nonito could have achieved more only if arce, hussein, mijares and montiel accepted his offer for a fight, which they did'nt. that's a fact.
my question or you bzkfn,in terms of courage who do you rate more? nonito or vic?

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and yep btw, vic said "no" right there and then in front of the cameras. achieving more is'nt really reflected by how good the quality of opposition you defeated on your career, but facing your thoughest opponents instanly upon their challenge. bravery is noted while cowardice is abhorred isn't it? ring mag have seen it, i guess.

p4p is subjective. Some people measures it by accomplishments, some measures it by who's the really the better man if they face inside the ring. And I think the majority would favor Donaire to beat Darchinyan.. in any weight class Darchinyan want.

It's just sweet science folks. Darchinyan's style is bad for Donaire. Vic is tailor made for him. Gary Shaw knows that. That's why he's protecting his little cash cow from Nonito. Darchinyan may have better resume, but Donaire is really the man to beat.

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It's just sweet science folks. Darchinyan's style is bad for Donaire. Vic is tailor made for him. Gary Shaw knows that. That's why he's protecting his little cash cow from Nonito. Darchinyan may have better resume, but Donaire is really the man to beat.

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and vic knows that that's why him and shaw is staying away from nonito..