When a guy who has dominated 95% of a round is knocked down by a jab in the last second while being somewhat off balance, can a case be made for a 10-9 round?
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When a guy who has dominated 95% of a round is knocked down by a jab in the last second while being somewhat off balance, can a case be made for a 10-9 round?
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I asked the same question in a different thread and was told that, according to the rules, it had to be 10-8.
how did Clottey dominate 95% of the round? it was a 10-8 round no question
i saw no domination in the 1st round. still 10-8 for me.
I have no problem with 10-8. But 10-9 is also appropriate. Clottey was comfortably winning the round until he recieved the flash kd.
I got no problem with 10-9 for Cotto even he scored a flash KD since without the flash KD, it could be a 10-9 in favor of Clottey.... Clottey was winning the round until the flash KD in the dying seconds of the round... It's very obvious Clottey was not hurt seriously by that KD...
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You can make a round 10-9 when the other guy is dominating/really really clearly winning the round and then takes a flash knockdown but I'd say dominating was a stretch for what Clottey did. 10-8 was fine with me.
Sorry but i totally disagree with this comment, i saw a very even round with not alot happening. As it was a feel out round, i thought a 10-8 round was the correct way to score it.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
A fighter should be credited with an extra point if he knocks a fighter down, no matter what the circumstances. Unless your on about a round like Michael Moorer vs Evander Holyfield.
Where Michael Moorer was totally dominating Evander Holyfield, until Evander Holyfield found a bit of lucky knockdown. Then yes i would agree it shouldn't be scored 10-8.
But Miguel Cotto vs Joshua Clottey was nothing like that, it was a very close feeling out round and Miguel Cotto. Knocked Joshua Clottey down with a solid left jab, and he deserved a 10-8 round.
I also thought Round 1 was leaning towards a Clottey round but definitely wasn't a round he was dominating. The only way I would give a 10-9 round when there was a knockdown is only if the person that got knocked down was just battering the other fighter before getting caught.
At minimum it would be scored a 9-8 if you wanted to give Clottey the roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
It was 55-45% round for Clottey, he got knocked down so it's a 10-8 Cotto round. Neither fighter was dominating that round.
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Originally Posted by C-Lo
Clottey may have been winning Round 1, but he wasn't dominating the round, so it was fine to go 10-8 for Cotto after the knockdown.
An example of when it is OK to go 10-9:
In Round 1 of Erik Morales-David Diaz, Diaz was knocking Morales all over the ring, and then Morales caught him with one flush right hand late in the round and put him down. But it was the only thing Morales did the entire round. I scored that one 10-9 Morales.
But with the 10 point must ystem in effect, it has to be 10-9 or 10-8, no? Now, I'm not positve about the ten point must system.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAt minimum it would be scored a 9-8 if you wanted to give Clottey the roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
The consensus seems to be he was not dominating the round so it should be a 10-8. I'll buy that easily, but the one thing I will never agree to is that a knockdown atuomatically makes it a 10-8 round--though the knockdown here was solid enough to do that.
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A fighter needs to have pretty much dominated the round before getting knocked down in order for it to be a 10-9 round imo. Clottey was winning it, but it was fairly close. If it were the amateurs, Clottey landed more punches, thus winning the round, but in the pros a 10-8 round is the right call.
I had to rewatch the first round of the fight after posting in the other thread pertaining to this topic..
and..
ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS?
YES, Clottey would have won the round.. comfortably even.. but to say that it should have been 10-9 instead of 10-8 is incorrect.. it's not even a matter of opinion, it's simply incorrect..
It's not like he hurt Cotto, or Cotto was in any danger from punches. Clottey landed some nice shots, but he never hurt him.
A round can be scored 10-8 even if there isn't a knockdown if one fighter has the other guy out on his feet and is pounding him the whole round while the guy is hanging on for his life.
This was not the case in this round. It was like any other round, and if there was no knockdown it would have been scored 10-9 for Clottey. big deal.. he got knocked down, he pays the price.
It doesn't matter if it's 10-9 or 10-8 round.
It wont make a change to the decision.
But i agree with one judge on 114-113 for Clottey.
Clottey won that fight, he was dominant most of the rounds except on 11 and 12.
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Originally Posted by RP33
Well, speaking for myself, I just pose the question in order to get some opinions. :pimp2:
not had chance to read the above posts but i would score it 10/8 personally
I've seen some 10-8 rounds without KD or penalty. But have you guys seen a round with a KD that it was scored 10-9 by ring official? Is it technically possible?
Could've been a 10-3 round for clottey with that judging he still would've lost. No fault of cotto's though. Scoreboard baby, clotty should have done more.