Showtime to do SMW tournament with Abraham/Kessler/Froch/Taylor/Ward/Dirrell?

If this comes off, it would be fantastic!!!!!!

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Abraham, Froch, Taylor, Kessler in a Showtime Shocker - Boxing News


I have to start thinking about how I think this will go, because there's a lot to think about. :scratchchin:

Would be interesting.But many circumstances and results that weigh on keeping that schedule.Would like a straight elimination tournament similar to Kings and Showtimes middle tourney some time back.Spr Middle looking stuffed with good matches.Ward solid last outing but Kessler may be asking a bit much of him right now.Have been re thinking Taylor.Cant get passed seeing him once again sprawled out and soon.

one thing strikes me....Pavlik should move up already if he wants to be in the major mix.Whats he going to do,wait around on Williams?

Dirrell wins it IMO, sounds like a good idea on paper but this is boxing, so we will see how it turns out for real.

This will never happen in a million years. If it does, it will be Kessler - Abraham in the final, depending on the bracketing of course. They're the two best fighters IMO. Ward and Dirrell are good, but they're largely untested and would have to fight their way past some really good opponents.

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Taylor/Ward

Abraham/Kessler

Froch/Dirrell

all 3 sound like good matchups and honestly i think Abraham Vs Kessler would be a classic

Whatever they have to do to get these guys fighting each other, I'm all for it....such a deep division and I don't see alot of big fights being made.

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IMO it should go

Taylor/Ward

Abraham/Kessler

Froch/Dirrell

all 3 sound like good matchups and honestly i think Abraham Vs Kessler would be a classic

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I think it should go according to some kind of playoff style ranking system, ie.:

(1) Kessler
(2) Froch
(3) Abraham
(4) Dirrell
(5) Ward
(6) Taylor

(1) Kessler - (6) Taylor
(2) Froch - (5) Ward
(3) Abraham - (4) Dirrell

Don't crucify me over where I have the fighters ranked, I didn't give it much thought. I just wanted to get the idea out.

I quite like an elimination tournament with this if Bute-Andrade doesn't land on the undercard of PBF-JMM

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This will never happen in a million years. If it does, it will be Kessler - Abraham in the final, depending on the bracketing of course. They're the two best fighters IMO. Ward and Dirrell are good, but they're largely untested and would have to fight their way past some really good opponents.

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I didn't even bother posting this as I knew it was just an article to get people excited about something that has no chance of actually coming off. If a Sauerland was to say to Abraham, "HBO have just offered us mega money to make the Pavlik fight", I guarantee he'd be off out of this tournament like a shot. Its a pipe dream, and it'll never happen.

168 is a loaded weight class and I'd love to see Showtime really focus on this division... but there's no way this whole thing will come together.

Too many fighters, promoters, managers... you can't get all these people to agree on the same format/dates.

And what makes anyone think that Kessler-Ward could actually happen this November? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see that fight, but Ward just finally stepped up to fight someone of Miranda's class, his handlers aren't going to throw him now with someone as good as Kessler.

Would be very nice; won't hold my breath on it happening though. Kessler will be 46 before he fights another big name.

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Would be very nice; won't hold my breath on it happening though. Kessler will be 46 before he fights another big name.

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A 46 year old Kessler would still beat Froch.

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Would be very nice; won't hold my breath on it happening though. Kessler will be 46 before he fights another big name.

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A 46 year old Kessler would still beat Froch.

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Me thinks someone is fishing;D

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Would be very nice; won't hold my breath on it happening though. Kessler will be 46 before he fights another big name.

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A 46 year old Kessler would still beat Froch.

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Hating on Froch? C'mon CFH, what's all that aboot? ;D

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Would be very nice; won't hold my breath on it happening though. Kessler will be 46 before he fights another big name.

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A 46 year old Kessler would still beat Froch.

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Hating on Froch? C'mon CFH, what's all that aboot? ;D

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I don't hate Froch at all, I'm just still not sold on him. I was impressed that he beat Taylor, I picked him to lose (and maybe if Taylor had some stamina he would have), but a fighter like Kessler is a whole different ball of wax (is that even a saying - ball of wax?).

Froch is a decent, if sloppy, fighter with a solid (if not great) chin and above average power but I think fighters like Kessler, Bute, Andrade, and maybe even Abraham would take him to school in a big way. Ok, maybe Andrade wouldn't take him to school but I think he could out-brawl him.

And I'm afraid being from the west coast I don't have much of a Canadian accent, apparently I sound pretty much like anyone else from the west coast/pacific northwest. DeanRW on the other hand, I bet that fucker sounds like a Newfie :D.

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A 46 year old Kessler would still beat Froch.

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Hating on Froch? C'mon CFH, what's all that aboot? ;D

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I don't hate Froch at all, I'm just still not sold on him. I was impressed that he beat Taylor, I picked him to lose (and maybe if Taylor had some stamina he would have), but a fighter like Kessler is a whole different ball of wax (is that even a saying - ball of wax?).

Froch is a decent, if sloppy, fighter with a solid (if not great) chin and above average power but I think fighters like Kessler, Bute, Andrade, and maybe even Abraham would take him to school in a big way. Ok, maybe Andrade wouldn't take him to school but I think he could out-brawl him.

And I'm afraid being from the west coast I don't have much of a Canadian accent, apparently I sound pretty much like anyone else from the west coast/pacific northwest. DeanRW on the other hand, I bet that fucker sounds like a Newfie :D.

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Normally My english is quite neutral too though sometimes, we can hear a little background of french :)

Well here is more details. There are other networks that will be involved with it, thus making it more likely that they can pull this off.

And if everything gets finalized, the press conference is said to be on July 13th.


Abraham, Froch, Kessler, More Tourney Details Leak - Boxing News

Well Dan Rafael is reporting on it now as well.

Showtime super middleweight tourney in works - ESPN

I have no belief this tournament will happen. I like the idea and the hype move but too many things have to go right. Even single fights have too many things that have to happen because of the business side of boxing. Then we get to think about the boxing side. This sparks up interest and good conversation but I can't see it at all happening. Though I like Showtimes desire, unlike HBO, to bring us what boxing needs.

It's a beautiful idea. Half a dozen promoters, assorted managers and half a dozen TV companies have been negotiating this (for two or three months at least) and this is the first we get to hear about it? That's almost as impressive as the tournament itself. I'd love it all to pan out all the way to a definitive final fight but I just don't see this whole thing going smoothly.

by Dan Rafael

Showtime super middleweight tourney in works

Arthur Abraham
Carl Froch
Mikkel Kessler
Jermain Taylor
Andre Ward
Andre Dirrell


Since Joe Calzaghe left the super middleweight division at the end of 2007 for two fights at light heavyweight and then retirement, the 168-pound division has been without a king, although there are several interesting and exciting fighters and potential matches in the weight class.
Showtime, of course, has been heavily invested in the division, broadcasting a number of significant bouts at 168 over the past year or so. It has also looked to the future of the division, which is one of the reasons it televised last week's Arthur Abraham middleweight title defense from Germany knowing full well that Abraham is on the verge of moving up in weight.



Now, Showtime is taking an even bigger plunge, and if the network's boxing chief, Ken Hershman, pulls off an audacious and ambitious plan, we will see the crowning of a new king in the division after a series of high-profile bouts between the fall and mid-2011.
Hershman is working hard to finalize a stunning six-man round-robin tournament involving most of the key fighters in the division: Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Jermain Taylor, Andre Ward, Andre Dirrell and Abraham, who would move up in weight.


Showtime didn't respond to requests for comment, but I've been doing my own digging and have talked to multiple sources involved in what will be one of the most significant events in boxing in recent years.
If this thing comes off -- a big if -- it could be spectacular.
Keep in mind that tournaments are awfully hard to keep together. Anyone remember HBO's 1980s heavyweight tournament? But if everyone signs off on this one, they'll be committed on paper to a series of fights against predetermined opponents (except in the semifinals and finals).
The beauty of this tournament is that it's not an elimination tournament. Just because a fighter loses does not mean he is out of the competition. On the contrary. His career will go on and he will have a chance to regenerate himself for good money against another fighter in the round robin. Win or lose, each fighter will fight on, collecting points based on how their fights go. I'll get to the particulars on that in a minute.
Here are the details as I know them, and keep in mind that not all of the promoters involved, including Gary Shaw, Lou DiBella, Wilfried Sauerland, Dan Goossen and Mick Hennessy, have officially signed off yet.


The first two bouts are tentatively scheduled for Oct. 10 with Froch, of England, defending his belt in the United Kingdom against American rising contender Dirrell. There has been some talk of a Froch-Kelly Pavlik fight on HBO in the fall, but that seems unlikely now. Entering the tournament makes a lot of sense for Froch, who has been unable to attract big TV money in his home country.
On the same telecast, but in Germany, Abraham is supposed to move up in weight to face former middleweight champ Taylor, who was knocked out by Froch in the 12th round of an April super middleweight title challenge. It's a tough way for Taylor to make his return, but he can make a statement by beating Abraham.


The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.



The next fight, taking place in March 2010, would be Froch against Kessler in either the U.K. or Kessler's native Denmark.
The sixth fight would match Ward and Taylor in the United States in April or May 2010. There is also a possibility of Ward-Taylor and Froch-Kessler taking place on the same date with Showtime doing a split-site show.
Fight No. 7 would pit 2004 U.S. Olympic gold medalist Ward against teammate and bronze medalist Dirrell in July or August 2010 in the United States.


The eighth fight of the tournament would match Froch and Abraham, also in July or August 2010 in Europe. It also might be paired with Dirrell-Ward on another split-site show.
In September 2010, Kessler would face Taylor in the U.S. in the final bout of the preliminary matches.


The semifinals are slated for January 2011, with the final, to be held in the U.S., penciled in for May or June 2011.
The way fighters will advance to the semifinals is by collecting points. A fighter will get two points for a victory, with an additional point given for a knockout. One point is awarded for a draw. No points are awarded for a loss.


The four fighters with the highest point totals advance to the semifinals and will be seeded based on who has the most points. The fighter who has racked up the most points faces the fighter among the four semifinalists with the fewest points. The No. 2 and No. 3 point earners face each other in the other semifinal.


And what if there is a tie in points at the semifinal stage? Easy. If two fighters who have already faced each other are tied, the winner of that bout will be the one to advance to the semis. If there is a tie between fighters who have not fought, the guy with the most stoppage wins in the tournament advances. If there is still a tie, they'll go to the official scorecards of each fighter's tournament bouts and add them up, with the leader advancing. If the ties continue, the ultimate decision will be made with a coin flip.


Hershman has been very thorough -- and secretive -- in this whole process. But, from what I understand, he made at least one trip to Germany to meet with Abraham's handlers. He also worked closely to get Al Haymon, the adviser of Taylor and Dirrell, on board before getting their promoters involved.


Hershman has come up with contingencies in the event of a no contest, a positive drug test and even if a fighter fails to make the 168-pound limit. There are also contingencies in the event of a draw in the semifinals, not to mention language in the contract that addresses everything from sponsorship revenue sharing to ticket allotments.
Hershman has also covered himself in another critical area, that of mandatory obligations of the titleholders. They won't get in the way. By entering the tournament, the fighters and their promoters expressly agree that the tournament takes precedence over a mandatory bout, although a mandatory could take place if it's within the context of the tournament.
If it all comes off, it will be a miracle. But the concept is exciting and you have to figure we'll see some good fights before somebody inevitably falls out. Showtime, of course, has a mechanism in place to replace a boxer who falls out of the tournament.


Showtime is going to play this up big, which it should. There will be at least four kickoff news conferences scheduled for New York, London, Copenhagen and Berlin. Los Angeles might also be added. While the fighters are in New York for that media event, they are obligated to participate in a Showtime video and photo shoot in order for the network to assemble what it needs for what figures to be a heavy marketing and promotional campaign.


By the way, there is one glaring omission from the tournament: titleholder Lucian Bute of Canada. He's scheduled to face top contender Librado Andrade in a fall mandatory fight, a bout that Golden Boy won the purse bid for last week with an offer of $1.211 million, which beat the $1.195 bid from Bute promoter InterBox.


The first time they met, Bute beat Andrade in a controversial fight that Showtime aired. From what I am told, Showtime wanted Bute in the tournament but his handlers wouldn't commit to the tournament format. So be it.


Meanwhile, it remains to be seen what Golden Boy, which promotes Andrade, is going to do with the fight. It's a bit too rich to be on a pay-per-view undercard, and it also makes absolutely no sense as an HBO fight, given the network's total disinterest in the 168-pound division. Of course, HBO is closely aligned with Golden Boy, so I guess it might do it for that reason.


But Bute-Andrade II is only one fight and, frankly, not really a big one at that.



The big ones would be on Showtime. It's made a serious commitment at 168 pounds. Between the recent bouts it has aired and the plans for this incredible tournament, Showtime has the division locked up, and fight fans will be the happy beneficiaries of its smart game plan.



Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

I hope this happens some pretty decent matches, I actually think Allan Green should be in that tournament as well.

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I hope this happens some pretty decent matches, I actually think Allan Green should be in that tournament as well.

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I am sure, if given the opportunity, Alan Green would quickly price himself out of it.

if this were to happen it would be great. hope it happens. :)

This would be great for boxing. I'm very enthusiastic.

I don't really see how Dirrell makes the tournament yet Bute, Andrade, and Green aren't in it. I understand including Ward because he is coming off his best win. Maybe Bute did indeed price himself out or perhaps the Bute v. Andrade made the logistics too tough.

The problem with not having Bute in it is that he is arguably the highest ranked super middleweight out there. One of the chosen boxers could win the tournament and still not be ranked the highest.

More chance of an alien invasion than that coming off.

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The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.






Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

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Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
I do not think a trial will prevent Kessler to fight. Not if he is to fight in the U.S., where a Danish injunction will not apply

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The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.






Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

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Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
I do not think a trial will prevent Kessler to fight. Not if he is to fight in the U.S., where a Danish injunction will not apply

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If Palle wins in court it'll apply to Kessler's bank account.

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The third fight in what is supposed to be a 12-bout tournament would see titleholder Kessler, who has been bogged down in a dispute with promoter Mogens Palle, come to America and defend against Ward on Nov. 7. Presumably, that bout will take place in Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., or in that region. Presumably, Kessler will have settled his differences with Palle or gone to another promoter.
The fourth bout is supposed to take place Jan. 30 in America with Abraham facing Dirrell. Abraham has long wanted to campaign in America, so this also makes sense.






Dan Rafael Blog - ESPN

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Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
I do not think a trial will prevent Kessler to fight. Not if he is to fight in the U.S., where a Danish injunction will not apply

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If Palle wins in court it'll apply to Kessler's bank account.

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..in what ever county he is bringing suit. Hopfully Kessler is smart and doesn't keep all of his money in Denmark.

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Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
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If Palle wins in court it'll apply to Kessler's bank account.

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..in what ever county he is bringing suit. Hopfully Kessler is smart and doesn't keep all of his money in Denmark.

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LOL, Kessler has his residence in Monaco ;D

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..in what ever county he is bringing suit. Hopfully Kessler is smart and doesn't keep all of his money in Denmark.

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LOL, Kessler has his residence in Monaco ;D

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Any updates on the trial?

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Where are nothing to suggest that a trial will prevent Kessler to stand up for next week's press conferences in New York. London, Copenhagen and Berlin to announce that he will fight Andre Ward in the U.S. in November
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If Palle wins in court it'll apply to Kessler's bank account.

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..in what ever county he is bringing suit. Hopfully Kessler is smart and doesn't keep all of his money in Denmark.

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It doesn't matter where the money is, if you lose a contractual dispute and you won't pay the amount a judge awarded he can freeze your assets anywhere in the world.

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..in what ever county he is bringing suit. Hopfully Kessler is smart and doesn't keep all of his money in Denmark.

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LOL, Kessler has his residence in Monaco ;D

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Palle isnegotiating with Sauerland promotions to take kessler's options over. Sauerland have made a low offer and Palle has told them to up it or he'll go to court, or at least not withdraw from the impending court case. Probably the whole thing gets settled before they end up in court.

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Palle isnegotiating with Sauerland promotions to take kessler's options over. Sauerland have made a low offer and Palle has told them to up it or he'll go to court, or at least not withdraw from the impending court case. Probably the whole thing gets settled before they end up in court.

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But Palle also said, if Sauerland offer does not improve, he will take the case to court

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LOL, Kessler has his residence in Monaco ;D

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It doesn't matter where the money is, if you lose a contractual dispute and you won't pay the amount a judge awarded he can freeze your assets anywhere in the world.

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Not true. It's called jurisdiction. Not all country's have treaty's with others, in which they respect each others judgments. If Kessler has his money in the Cayman Islands, how in the world would a Danish court get to it?

In fact, in the US alone, a person may have trouble enforcing a judgement from one state to another.

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Not true. It's called jurisdiction. Not all country's have treaty's with others, in which they respect each others judgments. If Kessler has his money in the Cayman Islands, how in the world would a Danish court get to it?

In fact, in the US alone, a person may have trouble enforcing a judgement from one state to another.

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If he tries hiding his money anywhere they'll just suspend his passport till he pays up. Any case decided by a national court in an EU country carries the full force of European law. But it doesn't matter anyway, tax havens are only good for hiding money the authorities don't know about. If Kessler transfeered his dough to the Caymans or Switzerland it'd leave a trail and the authorities just follow the trail and apply to the bank where the money is. Plus since the financial crisis nobody is helping anybody hide money anymore, even Switzerland are currently in the process of handing over the details of tens of thousands of American Swiss account holders to the IRS.

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Palle isnegotiating with Sauerland promotions to take kessler's options over. Sauerland have made a low offer and Palle has told them to up it or he'll go to court, or at least not withdraw from the impending court case. Probably the whole thing gets settled before they end up in court.

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But Palle also said, if Sauerland offer does not improve, he will take the case to court

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That's what I said. :)

HAha Kessler has signed with Sauerland and Mogens Palle is pissed :)

This turnament would be a treat to boxing fans, I hope it comes together more news here :) Kessler/Sauerland Deal Puts Showtime Tourney in Place - Boxing News

and Kessler will be attending a press conference in New York monday, a dane interview with a german in english, I dont know if you can see this clip outside DK, or just change you adresse with a program :)

kalleonline

Well it looks like it's on!!!! :happy0931sb4:

Showtime to stage six-man super middleweight round-robin tournament - ESPN


The one thing that sucks though, it looks like we will never see Abraham vs Pavlik. :-\