Boxing Perspective: Is Floyd Mayweather Jr Looking To Become Another Cliche?

18 months ago, Floyd Mayweather Jr announced his retirement, stating “I don’t have the desire I once did”. Now, from the sound of that statement, one is led to believe that the motivation that once existed is gone, the desire to train and compete is not what it was so there is no desire to continue.

Bravo! After all, Floyd sat upon the pound for pound list, claimed world titles in five weight classes, made a fortune of money and is leaving the sport with all his bearings intact.

Mayweather Jr accomplished what every fighter sets out to achieve perfectly and most rational people could agree with this decision. After all, why continue in a dangerous sport you have no wish to compete in anymore and take the chance of getting hurt?

Retire on top and wait for your day to be inducted into boxing’s Hall of Fame, something very few have managed to do.

But few outside of the Mayweather camp believed this retirement would last.

A vast majority of observers believed Floyd was using his retirement speech as a ploy, after all, ... Full Boxing Article here...

Nice one Daxx. Allot to ponder in the whys, wheres and whos for sure.
Im going with the (how can he have any real money problems?)
He has an ego,he wants more of something; if you got a void anywhere in your life people seem to think more money or more stuff will fill it, so maybe more belts more cash..

Going on his past I think he is just eyeing a two to three fight finish and they are carefully picking those selections like stepping stones to the platform to cement his legacy as the all time greatest. He has to fight Pac and take his crown away no doubt and that has to be the second fight. After that he knows the public will call for a Mosley bout and depending on how Shane appears between now and then depends on any excuse for an out or an in.
Its all about position numbers and cash.
Marquez is the ideal warm up for Pac and hints that Floyd is underestimating him only serves to pump up the crowd further with some beliving he may not prepare as well ..hahahaha fools.
Back in the day Ali used to trash talk and would have fans lapping it up, cause half agreed with him and the other half wanted to see him shut down for it; things have got more subtle these days but its still the same old formula to bring more punters in. Floyd will come out winning I think.

Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Afraid of Manny? No but as for the studying him IMO Roach will be the counter to that, he knows Floyd will be paying close attention to him and will hacve Manny coming in the ring with a gameplan that will surprise everyone...Not saying who will win but it will be no walk over......

I will have something next week on how I think it will play out if it happens

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Marquez is totally untested at higher weights, at his age I doubt he can mirror what Manny has done and be as effective (hope he is though). If Manny beat Cotto I doubt Floyd would touch him with two bargepoles taped together;D

I think Floyd will demand too much cash if the Pac fight was presented to him. Either that or a slight muffled sound from the crack of his arse saying "He has lost 3 fights why should I fight him"

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Marquez is totally untested at higher weights, at his age I doubt he can mirror what Manny has done and be as effective (hope he is though). If Manny beat Cotto I doubt Floyd would touch him with two bargepoles taped together;D

I think Floyd will demand too much cash if the Pac fight was presented to him. Either that or a slight muffled sound from the crack of his arse saying "He has lost 3 fights why should I fight him"

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Personally I think Floyd would rather fight Manny and Cotto before he fought Mosley right now.....

I agree I don't think Marquez could move up any higher in weight at this point

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Afraid of Manny? No but as for the studying him IMO Roach will be the counter to that, he knows Floyd will be paying close attention to him and will hacve Manny coming in the ring with a gameplan that will surprise everyone...Not saying who will win but it will be no walk over......

I will have something next week on how I think it will play out if it happens

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Look forward to that Daxx. I just think of the trouble Zab gave him with speed alone, then once you add more angles and more heart into the mix......does Floyd really want it? Maybe he will need it? Thank f*ck he has money issues, that's all I say lol

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Afraid of Manny? No but as for the studying him IMO Roach will be the counter to that, he knows Floyd will be paying close attention to him and will hacve Manny coming in the ring with a gameplan that will surprise everyone...Not saying who will win but it will be no walk over......

I will have something next week on how I think it will play out if it happens

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You can call me crazy and a fanboy, but as much as Roach is smart SO IS FLOYD, HIS UNCLE AND HIS FATHER. We all know what Floyd is capable and I dont see him getting on a bike and running, Floyd has the offense, defense footwork and stamina to put it on Mannny. Im not saying its going to be a walk over but I see him cutting up Manny and comprehensively beating him.

they say timing negates speed, what about when 1 fighter is a fast superb counterpuncher with spot on anticipation and timing?

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Afraid of Manny? No but as for the studying him IMO Roach will be the counter to that, he knows Floyd will be paying close attention to him and will hacve Manny coming in the ring with a gameplan that will surprise everyone...Not saying who will win but it will be no walk over......

I will have something next week on how I think it will play out if it happens

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You can call me crazy and a fanboy, but as much as Roach is smart SO IS FLOYD, HIS UNCLE AND HIS FATHER. We all know what Floyd is capable and I dont see him getting on a bike and running, Floyd has the offense, defense footwork and stamina to put it on Mannny. Im not saying its going to be a walk over but I see him cutting up Manny and comprehensively beating him.

they say timing negates speed, what about when 1 fighter is a fast superb counterpuncher with spot on anticipation and timing?

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Personally I can not pick a winner it is a fight we will have to see before knowing the answer...it is a pickem....

Floyd has not been beaten yet and really has not been away from boxing that long so in truth he is still prime.....

Manny on the other hand seems to be like a mini phenom.....so much to work on yet he always seems to fix anything that seems to be a weakness.....I agree with the fact the Mayweathers are smart trainers amd fighter but the combo of Freddie and Manny seem to be a perfect team at the moment.....

I really think the Marquez fight will tell us a lot

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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For what it's worth I agree. I see Floyd handling Pacman pretty decisively. I never thought Floyd feared anyone; maybe if I had to pick one I'd say Williams, but Paul was high risk low payout because he had no marketability behind him at the time and maybe still doesn't shameful as that is.

But there is no one else he fears{if he even did in some way at all with Williams} and easy work with all of them except Paul, maybe. Some people say he left due to fear; I think it's more due to disdain of the comp. and getting bored; though I know I'm stretching my opinion a bit far on that one.

Great article Daxx. :)

Floyd wanted a second Oscar fight but Oscar wouldn't give him the percentage of the purse he thought he was due so he decided to retire, at least temporarily. If he had a ton of money in the bank and was capable of living off the interest I don't think he'd be coming back but it looks like he's potless already and doesn't have a choice if he wants to maintain his current lifestyle. Long term he's going to keep coming back for big fights, blowing the dough and doing it again till he gets beat, then maybe even continuing to fight for smaller purses, long term things don't look good for him unless he can radically change his spending habits. But at least this first fight will be interesting seeing what he's got left.

Hopefully he isn't broke and those rumours about him taking time out to recover from hand problems are true and he's been in the gym keeping fit for the last year and a half and will come back at the same level he left. We get to find out in September.

Awesome read Daxx.Going to hold off on the Manny/Mayweather hoopla....a few bridges to cross and something tells me the negotiations could be as entertaining as the fight ;D

I just cannot escape the feeling that Floyd has .....in a way let momentum and it pass him by.Can't pin point it but he may have miscalculated.Do believe that a big factor in his coming back is Mannys new found p4p pedestal and the glaring spotlight.And the all mighty dollar goes without saying

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Cracking article Daxx!

I personally don't think Floyd wants anything to do with Pac and never will unless Cotto beats him or something. He knows when to catch fighters at the right time - when they are still a major draw but past their best;)

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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For what it's worth I agree. I see Floyd handling Pacman pretty decisively. I never thought Floyd feared anyone; maybe if I had to pick one I'd say Williams, but Paul was high risk low payout because he had no marketability behind him at the time and maybe still doesn't shameful as that is.

But there is no one else he fears{if he even did in some way at all with Williams} and easy work with all of them except Paul, maybe. Some people say he left due to fear; I think it's more due to disdain of the comp. and getting bored; though I know I'm stretching my opinion a bit far on that one.

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Well, I think Cotto Floyd or Mosley Floyd would make more than a Marquez fight and add much more to his resume. The thing is, Cotto and Mosley are more dangerous than an old blown up lightweight.

His fear....is of losing most probably, not of dangerous fighters. His ego could not take a defeat because all his talk and self hype is based around being undefeated. Just like Naz.

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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For what it's worth I agree. I see Floyd handling Pacman pretty decisively. I never thought Floyd feared anyone; maybe if I had to pick one I'd say Williams, but Paul was high risk low payout because he had no marketability behind him at the time and maybe still doesn't shameful as that is.

But there is no one else he fears{if he even did in some way at all with Williams} and easy work with all of them except Paul, maybe. Some people say he left due to fear; I think it's more due to disdain of the comp. and getting bored; though I know I'm stretching my opinion a bit far on that one.

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Well, I think Cotto Floyd or Mosley Floyd would make more than a Marquez fight and add much more to his resume. The thing is, Cotto and Mosley are more dangerous than an old blown up lightweight.

His fear....is of losing most probably, not of dangerous fighters. His ego could not take a defeat because all his talk and self hype is based around being undefeated. Just like Naz.

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Different engine in this car all together brother. Naz was a SUPER mouthy gifted athlete who couldnt hold a candle to Floyds resume. Naz was a flawed fighter who got exposed by a great tactician.

Floyd is a superior fighter compared to Naz. Floyd has never showed a chink in his armor or any vulnerability. Whole different mindset goes with that

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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For what it's worth I agree. I see Floyd handling Pacman pretty decisively. I never thought Floyd feared anyone; maybe if I had to pick one I'd say Williams, but Paul was high risk low payout because he had no marketability behind him at the time and maybe still doesn't shameful as that is.

But there is no one else he fears{if he even did in some way at all with Williams} and easy work with all of them except Paul, maybe. Some people say he left due to fear; I think it's more due to disdain of the comp. and getting bored; though I know I'm stretching my opinion a bit far on that one.

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Well, I think Cotto Floyd or Mosley Floyd would make more than a Marquez fight and add much more to his resume. The thing is, Cotto and Mosley are more dangerous than an old blown up lightweight.

His fear....is of losing most probably, not of dangerous fighters. His ego could not take a defeat because all his talk and self hype is based around being undefeated. Just like Naz.

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Agreed about adding to his resume; most definately. No matter why he left, personally I think he should have fought some of those guys. Though I think he schools Cotto he could conceivably have problems with Mosley; Margarito he would have made look like Kid Thunder, Clottey similar t the Baldomir fight, etc. Mosley I think he more wanted to snub him than fight him because of not getting that fight years ago when he was calling out Shane.

As far as fear of losing not fear of dangerous opponents; I'm not sure I follow you bro'. Don't they go hand in hand? Like I said personally I don't think he feared them as dangerous opponents and certainly not afraid he might somehow pull up short with them; and if for arguments sake he was afraid of Williams the $$$ wouldn't have been there to make sure the risk was worth it; would it?? I'm confusing myself now for some reason and fear I'm chasing my tail:bucktooth:

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For what it's worth I agree. I see Floyd handling Pacman pretty decisively. I never thought Floyd feared anyone; maybe if I had to pick one I'd say Williams, but Paul was high risk low payout because he had no marketability behind him at the time and maybe still doesn't shameful as that is.

But there is no one else he fears{if he even did in some way at all with Williams} and easy work with all of them except Paul, maybe. Some people say he left due to fear; I think it's more due to disdain of the comp. and getting bored; though I know I'm stretching my opinion a bit far on that one.

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Well, I think Cotto Floyd or Mosley Floyd would make more than a Marquez fight and add much more to his resume. The thing is, Cotto and Mosley are more dangerous than an old blown up lightweight.

His fear....is of losing most probably, not of dangerous fighters. His ego could not take a defeat because all his talk and self hype is based around being undefeated. Just like Naz.

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Different engine in this car all together brother. Naz was a SUPER mouthy gifted athlete who couldnt hold a candle to Floyds resume. Naz was a flawed fighter who got exposed by a great tactician.

Floyd is a superior fighter compared to Naz. Floyd has never showed a chink in his armor or any vulnerability. Whole different mindset goes with that

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Yeah but........ok bad example with Naz I may have been breathing in someones crack fumes there;D

Thing is, I would still say a loss would do his ego no good and he would struggle to come back from one. Cotto or Shane would have been a bigger fight though and a great win over a top Welter is something he needs IMO

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For what it's worth I agree. I see Floyd handling Pacman pretty decisively. I never thought Floyd feared anyone; maybe if I had to pick one I'd say Williams, but Paul was high risk low payout because he had no marketability behind him at the time and maybe still doesn't shameful as that is.

But there is no one else he fears{if he even did in some way at all with Williams} and easy work with all of them except Paul, maybe. Some people say he left due to fear; I think it's more due to disdain of the comp. and getting bored; though I know I'm stretching my opinion a bit far on that one.

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Well, I think Cotto Floyd or Mosley Floyd would make more than a Marquez fight and add much more to his resume. The thing is, Cotto and Mosley are more dangerous than an old blown up lightweight.

His fear....is of losing most probably, not of dangerous fighters. His ego could not take a defeat because all his talk and self hype is based around being undefeated. Just like Naz.

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Agreed about adding to his resume; most definately. No matter why he left, personally I think he should have fought some of those guys. Though I think he schools Cotto he could conceivably have problems with Mosley; Margarito he would have made look like Kid Thunder, Clottey similar t the Baldomir fight, etc. Mosley I think he more wanted to snub him than fight him because of not getting that fight years ago when he was calling out Shane.

As far as fear of losing not fear of dangerous opponents; I'm not sure I follow you bro'. Don't they go hand in hand? Like I said personally I don't think he feared them as dangerous opponents and certainly not afraid he might somehow pull up short with them; and if for arguments sake he was afraid of Williams the $$$ wouldn't have been there to make sure the risk was worth it; would it?? I'm confusing myself now for some reason and fear I'm chasing my tail:bucktooth:

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Thing is with Floyd LEGION, he missed out big time not fighting top guys because hardly any guys he has fought lately have gone on to do great things, so his stock never really goes up. If he beat Margarito and Cotto (before Margarito beat Cotto) that would have shut up annoying cunts like me who say he never fought a top Welter.

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Well, I think Cotto Floyd or Mosley Floyd would make more than a Marquez fight and add much more to his resume. The thing is, Cotto and Mosley are more dangerous than an old blown up lightweight.

His fear....is of losing most probably, not of dangerous fighters. His ego could not take a defeat because all his talk and self hype is based around being undefeated. Just like Naz.

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Agreed about adding to his resume; most definately. No matter why he left, personally I think he should have fought some of those guys. Though I think he schools Cotto he could conceivably have problems with Mosley; Margarito he would have made look like Kid Thunder, Clottey similar t the Baldomir fight, etc. Mosley I think he more wanted to snub him than fight him because of not getting that fight years ago when he was calling out Shane.

As far as fear of losing not fear of dangerous opponents; I'm not sure I follow you bro'. Don't they go hand in hand? Like I said personally I don't think he feared them as dangerous opponents and certainly not afraid he might somehow pull up short with them; and if for arguments sake he was afraid of Williams the $$$ wouldn't have been there to make sure the risk was worth it; would it?? I'm confusing myself now for some reason and fear I'm chasing my tail:bucktooth:

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Thing is with Floyd LEGION, he missed out big time not fighting top guys because hardly any guys he has fought lately have gone on to do great things, so his stock never really goes up. If he beat Margarito and Cotto (before Margarito beat Cotto) that would have shut up annoying cunts like me who say he never fought a top Welter.

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Yeah I understand, I don't know why I got confused; it happens alot with me;D I said earlier I thought he should have fought them; and even the general consensus telling us he beats all of them easily doesn't excuse him from not fighting them. Maybe he really was too wrapped up in his unblemished record and didn't want to risk it. I know he said somewhere; the ESPN thing with Kenny I think: "why fight Mosley who lost to Cotto who lost to Margarito who lost to Mosley" blah blah. But he could have fought them before those fights happened.

But as I said; I think he looks down on some of these guys and just waits till they all beat each other up and then picks and chooses to see who's "worthy". Or maybe it is fear. It's all speculation anyways. Anyways I'm rambling now to no good end; I tell myself not to do it but I always do:bucktooth:

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I dont know Kel it would be so huge. Surley its tempting to him it would seal up everything for ever, I think Floyd would study and out smart Manny and catch him comming in and screw with his timing. I dont think he fears Manny, if he does, then why Marquez ?

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Afraid of Manny? No but as for the studying him IMO Roach will be the counter to that, he knows Floyd will be paying close attention to him and will hacve Manny coming in the ring with a gameplan that will surprise everyone...Not saying who will win but it will be no walk over......

I will have something next week on how I think it will play out if it happens

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You can call me crazy and a fanboy, but as much as Roach is smart SO IS FLOYD, HIS UNCLE AND HIS FATHER. We all know what Floyd is capable and I dont see him getting on a bike and running, Floyd has the offense, defense footwork and stamina to put it on Mannny. Im not saying its going to be a walk over but I see him cutting up Manny and comprehensively beating him.

they say timing negates speed, what about when 1 fighter is a fast superb counterpuncher with spot on anticipation and timing?

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Im with you on this. Floyds timing is precise both in and out of the ring regarding competition placment / counter timing. Also which angles, which speed, which fight, when and how as well as the controversial: which opposition, only when its best for him ploy too. Hope he is aiming high and in threes.

nice article! just want to share my thoughts. mayweather fight with marquez is his way of readying his self to a fight with pacman, agree with all the points you've said on this article. he has this big ego, doesnt believe what happen after he semi-retired, that one manny pacquiao emerges from somewhere and have overtaken his accomplishments by the man from my country. he is envy of the pacman, thinking he will be missed by boxing, but everything backfires on him. no doubt,to prove his point, he must do it against the pacman, which i think will put him the same where hatton is in now. retiring from the sport permanently.