Khan fight this weekend got me thinking about fighters who were sucsessfull even thought they did not hold a shot to well.
Tommy Hearnes comes to mind.
If he had a better chin he might have been the greatest fighter of all time.:o
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Khan fight this weekend got me thinking about fighters who were sucsessfull even thought they did not hold a shot to well.
Tommy Hearnes comes to mind.
If he had a better chin he might have been the greatest fighter of all time.:o
Terry Norris
Tommy Hearns is the obvious one, but I don't think even if he had a better chin that he would've been the best of all time.
RJJr
I actually think at Welterweight his chin wasn't that bad, it was more his stamina that let him down against SRL. Anyway back on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Floyd Patterson comes to mind straight away, but maybe im being a bit unfair on him. Considering he was really too small for Heavyweight.
Yeah I agree completely.. Tommy's chin was not that bad.. I mean he got wobbled on a number of occassions. But I think some big punchers did it.. Hagler, Barkley Leonard..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI actually think at Welterweight his chin wasn't that bad, it was more his stamina that let him down against SRL. Anyway back on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Floyd Patterson comes to mind straight away, but maybe im being a bit unfair on him. Considering he was really too small for Heavyweight.
Terry Norris
John David Jackson
Ricky Hatton
Lennox Lewis
RJJ
Earnie Shavers
as soon as I read the thread title I knew people would be starting with the Lennox lewis nonsense...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng
He's a heavyweight for god's sake... yes he has two KO losses but if a 220 pound man hits anybody clean on the chin and they don't see it coming then they will get knocked out.
The two shots that got him were pretty massive. The glass jaw chin is basically a story/fallacy spread about him by people who haven't seen much, if any of his fights besides:
a) The Tyson fight
b) The Knockouts
Bruno hit him with some MASSIVE punches.
As for Roy Jones Junior, that's debatable... who had decent punch resistance... tarver caught him right on the button with a massive punch he didn't see coming, again - if a light heavyweight hits you flush then you'll know about it.
The Johnson knock out was the result of a sustained beating.
I don't think Roy had a great chin or anything but it is underrated to say the least.
and Lewis' chin is ridiculously underrated.
Kinda depends on what you mean - a guy that gets buzzed alot or a guy who's chin let him down. Guy like Gatti and Corrales got hurt in a bunch of there fights but always seemed to fight back. Both got knocked down plenty but I think both were only counted out once each late in there careers.
I never seen Lewis get really buzzed in a fight but he did get KO'd twice so who has a better chin?
Terry Norris has to have had the worst chin of any top level fighter I've ever seen. He had the ability to box circles around guys but choose to bang with guys. He lost muti-million $$ paydays with Chavez & De la Hoya becasue of it.
Chico Corrales
Tommy Hearns
Tito Trinidad
Terry Norris
why tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
How did I forget Wlad Klitshcko :confused::o
Lennox did not have a weak chin, anyone who could take the shots he did off Vitali has a good chin.
I don't think RJJ has a glass jaw, just a fairly average chin, not good or bad.
The only top-level fighters with really weak chins IMO are Norris, Hearns & Wlad
Trinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkwhy tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times
Campas
Carr
Vargas
Hopkins
Mayorga
Jones Jr
all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
Corrales got beaten from pillar to post in the Mayweather fight IMO. His corner did the right thing stopping it, the guy had an ATG heart, which is why he kept getting back up, but you've got to stop those guys for their own good sometimes. I don't think Trinidad's chin was that bad, although I think it was a tad on the weak sideQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesTrinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkwhy tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times
Campas
Carr
Vargas
Hopkins
Mayorga
Jones Jr
all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
oh i agree that Mayweather put a beating on Corrales, but he was never really out of it if you get what i mean, he wasn't knocked silly, and his chin wasn't as bad as some think, the shots he took throughout the first Castillo fight are testament to this, especially considering that Castillo was a banger at 135, the kd's in the final round of the fight were hard shots, and then the way he came back is legend, his chin was a bit shakey but not complete garbage just like Trinidad's IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinCorrales got beaten from pillar to post in the Mayweather fight IMO. His corner did the right thing stopping it, the guy had an ATG heart, which is why he kept getting back up, but you've got to stop those guys for their own good sometimes. I don't think Trinidad's chin was that bad, although I think it was a tad on the weak sideQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesTrinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times
Campas
Carr
Vargas
Hopkins
Mayorga
Jones Jr
all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
Well i don't count the Roy Jones Jr fight, i don't know why you would either to be honest bro. I've seen all of those fights you mentioned, and i think the Mayorga, Campas, knockdowns were flash knockdowns. The Carr, Vargas, knockdowns were more heavy knockdowns. And the Hopkins one was after he got beat up for 11 rounds,Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesTrinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkwhy tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times
Campas
Carr
Vargas
Hopkins
Mayorga
Jones Jr
all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
But i think out of all the ones there, only really one of those knockdowns affected him. And that was the Vargas knockdown, and obviously the Hopkins one. He was also knocked down by David Reid and a few other times early in his career. But again i don't feel he was hurt by any of them. I don't think Felix Trinidad's chin was that bad to be honest.
I think that he was the kind of fighter, that took a few rounds to get going and warmed up. Which is why he was floored early and not late on, infact i think he was only floored three times after the 6th round, twice by Roy Jones, which i don't count. Because that was at Light Heavyweight, and Felix Trinidad was badly ring rusty. And the only other time was against Bernard Hopkins, after taking a sustained beating.
How can you say Thomas Hearns didnt have a bad chin but mention Lewis and RJJr?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsYeah I agree completely.. Tommy's chin was not that bad.. I mean he got wobbled on a number of occassions. But I think some big punchers did it.. Hagler, Barkley Leonard..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI actually think at Welterweight his chin wasn't that bad, it was more his stamina that let him down against SRL. Anyway back on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Floyd Patterson comes to mind straight away, but maybe im being a bit unfair on him. Considering he was really too small for Heavyweight.
Terry Norris
John David Jackson
Ricky Hatton
Lennox Lewis
RJJ
Earnie Shavers
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Lewis has only been down twice in his entire career and yet the haters say he has a glass jaw when most other heavies have been floored more often.
When you consider all the names Lewis faced and all the years he had at the top its quite remarkable that he only touched the canvas twice.
Nigel Benn.
Joe Calzaghe
Throw in Anthony Stephens.Fed Young Tito alot of right hands early and had him the most hurt of anyone I believe.KD and out on his feet for a sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesTrinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkwhy tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times
Campas
Carr
Vargas
Hopkins
Mayorga
Jones Jr
all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
Maybe a bit unfair but Humberto Gonzalez,Edwin Rosario.Underrated and misleading record holder Freddie Pendleton.......had a chin made of sugar glass:shinner:
Think Lewis gets a bum rap for his chin.Stood up against some capable punchers.Shite training and lax preparation sure,but think his beard was good.
I may get some bad responses for this but Juan Manuel Marquez comes to mind.
Im a big JMM fan but i agree his chin isn't solid, but i think he does have excellent recovery powers, which makes up for it IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Do you think he was genuinely knocked down v Barrera ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIm a big JMM fan but i agree his chin isn't solid, but i think he does have excellent recovery powers, which makes up for it IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I don't think his chin is great, but he can definitely take a punchQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Yes i do but even if the knockdown was scored, i would of only had it 10-9 for MAB. Because he was dominated so much in the round, but two of my favorites were going at it was a hard fight to watch. But that was MAB's last really good performance IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeDo you think he was genuinely knocked down v Barrera ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIm a big JMM fan but i agree his chin isn't solid, but i think he does have excellent recovery powers, which makes up for it IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
:lol::lolhaha::appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by markb018
Hatton might well be in that category now. He walked through fire in earlier fights, but seems to be getting rocked or stopped every time now. Rarely do we see a fighter in a super fight be blown away as quickly as Hatton was against Manny.
Not to mention Roy destroyed himself dropping down from heavy to light heavy deep into his 30's.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
are you being serious the guy was a fucking warriorQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
He was a warrior yes but I agree he was slightly chinny. That was what made him so exciting. You knew if he took a big one it would hurt him but that was when he became dangerous!Quote:
Originally Posted by elevenare you being serious the guy was a fucking warriorQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Frank Bruno
Donovan Rudduck
Michael Moorer
Quote:
Originally Posted by markb018
Disagree with that 1. If he couldnt take a punch he wouldnt have stayed undefeated and won every fight he ever had
I just credit him being undefeated to being a great boxer and not leaving England till later in his career, but thats a different debate. Doesn't change the fact of Joe being knocked down a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by markb018
Disagree with that 1. If he couldnt take a punch he wouldnt have stayed undefeated and won every fight he ever had
Well said, Lennox has actually been in fights where he took massive shots and stood up to them....In the Tua fight he took big shots and stayed uprightQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
The Bruno fight is another
Roy is another fighter it is hard to judge because it was not until after the return trip from HW and combined with age before he was starched
I actually think the Gary Mason fight is his most underrated one, Gary Mason could hit really hard. And he hit Lennox Lewis with plenty of flush shots, and gave him a good argument. But that eye of Gary Mason's was horrendous, i think Memphis once told me. He was there ringside, and he heard Gary Mason "Yelp". As the final blow hit him right in his swollen eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWell said, Lennox has actually been in fights where he took massive shots and stood up to them....In the Tua fight he took big shots and stayed uprightQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
The Bruno fight is another
Roy is another fighter it is hard to judge because it was not until after the return trip from HW and combined with age before he was starched
Frank Bruno wasn't chinny it's just he lacked survival instinct, he took bombs off massive punchers like Lennox Lewis without going down. And Razor Ruddock chinny ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't think so he had a broken jaw against Mike Tyson and still went 12 rounds, aswell as surviving a war against a big puncher like Boncrusher Smith.
"Hurricane" Peter McNeeley
;D.Hey,he tried vs Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I think some people are missing the point here, this thread means "great fighters". Not any boxer who had a weak chin ;D
Jeremy Williams :dontknow: :shinner:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I think its the 'great'.Always gets a bit dicey....much easier to call out chins made of dry match sticks;D
Yeah... I would've answered the same as Ice. Tito's early knockdowns were pretty much flash knockdowns, probably more a problem with Tito's balance than anything else. He rarely looked really hurt or stunned by them. On the contrary, he usually got up and finished off the offender.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell i don't count the Roy Jones Jr fight, i don't know why you would either to be honest bro. I've seen all of those fights you mentioned, and i think the Mayorga, Campas, knockdowns were flash knockdowns. The Carr, Vargas, knockdowns were more heavy knockdowns. And the Hopkins one was after he got beat up for 11 rounds,Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesTrinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times
Campas
Carr
Vargas
Hopkins
Mayorga
Jones Jr
all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
But i think out of all the ones there, only really one of those knockdowns affected him. And that was the Vargas knockdown, and obviously the Hopkins one. He was also knocked down by David Reid and a few other times early in his career. But again i don't feel he was hurt by any of them. I don't think Felix Trinidad's chin was that bad to be honest.
I think that he was the kind of fighter, that took a few rounds to get going and warmed up. Which is why he was floored early and not late on, infact i think he was only floored three times after the 6th round, twice by Roy Jones, which i don't count. Because that was at Light Heavyweight, and Felix Trinidad was badly ring rusty. And the only other time was against Bernard Hopkins, after taking a sustained beating.
Against Hopkins, Tito was beaten to the punch consistently throughout the whole fight. So when the TKO finally came, it was more an accumulation of Hopkins' punches, than anything having to do with a weak chin.