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    Default Re: Great fighters who cant take a punch!

    as soon as I read the thread title I knew people would be starting with the Lennox lewis nonsense...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng

    He's a heavyweight for god's sake... yes he has two KO losses but if a 220 pound man hits anybody clean on the chin and they don't see it coming then they will get knocked out.

    The two shots that got him were pretty massive. The glass jaw chin is basically a story/fallacy spread about him by people who haven't seen much, if any of his fights besides:

    a) The Tyson fight
    b) The Knockouts

    Bruno hit him with some MASSIVE punches.

    As for Roy Jones Junior, that's debatable... who had decent punch resistance... tarver caught him right on the button with a massive punch he didn't see coming, again - if a light heavyweight hits you flush then you'll know about it.

    The Johnson knock out was the result of a sustained beating.

    I don't think Roy had a great chin or anything but it is underrated to say the least.

    and Lewis' chin is ridiculously underrated.

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    Default Re: Great fighters who cant take a punch!

    Kinda depends on what you mean - a guy that gets buzzed alot or a guy who's chin let him down. Guy like Gatti and Corrales got hurt in a bunch of there fights but always seemed to fight back. Both got knocked down plenty but I think both were only counted out once each late in there careers.

    I never seen Lewis get really buzzed in a fight but he did get KO'd twice so who has a better chin?

    Terry Norris has to have had the worst chin of any top level fighter I've ever seen. He had the ability to box circles around guys but choose to bang with guys. He lost muti-million $$ paydays with Chavez & De la Hoya becasue of it.

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    Default Re: Great fighters who cant take a punch!

    Chico Corrales
    Tommy Hearns
    Tito Trinidad
    Terry Norris

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Chico Corrales
    Tommy Hearns
    Tito Trinidad
    Terry Norris
    why tito?

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    How did I forget Wlad Klitshcko

    Lennox did not have a weak chin, anyone who could take the shots he did off Vitali has a good chin.

    I don't think RJJ has a glass jaw, just a fairly average chin, not good or bad.

    The only top-level fighters with really weak chins IMO are Norris, Hearns & Wlad

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Chico Corrales
    Tommy Hearns
    Tito Trinidad
    Terry Norris
    why tito?
    Trinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against Floyd
    but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times

    Campas
    Carr
    Vargas
    Hopkins
    Mayorga
    Jones Jr

    all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Chico Corrales
    Tommy Hearns
    Tito Trinidad
    Terry Norris
    why tito?
    Trinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against Floyd
    but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times

    Campas
    Carr
    Vargas
    Hopkins
    Mayorga
    Jones Jr

    all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
    Corrales got beaten from pillar to post in the Mayweather fight IMO. His corner did the right thing stopping it, the guy had an ATG heart, which is why he kept getting back up, but you've got to stop those guys for their own good sometimes. I don't think Trinidad's chin was that bad, although I think it was a tad on the weak side

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post

    why tito?
    Trinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against Floyd
    but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times

    Campas
    Carr
    Vargas
    Hopkins
    Mayorga
    Jones Jr

    all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
    Corrales got beaten from pillar to post in the Mayweather fight IMO. His corner did the right thing stopping it, the guy had an ATG heart, which is why he kept getting back up, but you've got to stop those guys for their own good sometimes. I don't think Trinidad's chin was that bad, although I think it was a tad on the weak side
    oh i agree that Mayweather put a beating on Corrales, but he was never really out of it if you get what i mean, he wasn't knocked silly, and his chin wasn't as bad as some think, the shots he took throughout the first Castillo fight are testament to this, especially considering that Castillo was a banger at 135, the kd's in the final round of the fight were hard shots, and then the way he came back is legend, his chin was a bit shakey but not complete garbage just like Trinidad's IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Chico Corrales
    Tommy Hearns
    Tito Trinidad
    Terry Norris
    why tito?
    Trinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against Floyd
    but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times

    Campas
    Carr
    Vargas
    Hopkins
    Mayorga
    Jones Jr

    all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
    Well i don't count the Roy Jones Jr fight, i don't know why you would either to be honest bro. I've seen all of those fights you mentioned, and i think the Mayorga, Campas, knockdowns were flash knockdowns. The Carr, Vargas, knockdowns were more heavy knockdowns. And the Hopkins one was after he got beat up for 11 rounds,

    But i think out of all the ones there, only really one of those knockdowns affected him. And that was the Vargas knockdown, and obviously the Hopkins one. He was also knocked down by David Reid and a few other times early in his career. But again i don't feel he was hurt by any of them. I don't think Felix Trinidad's chin was that bad to be honest.

    I think that he was the kind of fighter, that took a few rounds to get going and warmed up. Which is why he was floored early and not late on, infact i think he was only floored three times after the 6th round, twice by Roy Jones, which i don't count. Because that was at Light Heavyweight, and Felix Trinidad was badly ring rusty. And the only other time was against Bernard Hopkins, after taking a sustained beating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post

    why tito?
    Trinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against Floyd
    but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times

    Campas
    Carr
    Vargas
    Hopkins
    Mayorga
    Jones Jr

    all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
    Well i don't count the Roy Jones Jr fight, i don't know why you would either to be honest bro. I've seen all of those fights you mentioned, and i think the Mayorga, Campas, knockdowns were flash knockdowns. The Carr, Vargas, knockdowns were more heavy knockdowns. And the Hopkins one was after he got beat up for 11 rounds,

    But i think out of all the ones there, only really one of those knockdowns affected him. And that was the Vargas knockdown, and obviously the Hopkins one. He was also knocked down by David Reid and a few other times early in his career. But again i don't feel he was hurt by any of them. I don't think Felix Trinidad's chin was that bad to be honest.

    I think that he was the kind of fighter, that took a few rounds to get going and warmed up. Which is why he was floored early and not late on, infact i think he was only floored three times after the 6th round, twice by Roy Jones, which i don't count. Because that was at Light Heavyweight, and Felix Trinidad was badly ring rusty. And the only other time was against Bernard Hopkins, after taking a sustained beating.
    Yeah... I would've answered the same as Ice. Tito's early knockdowns were pretty much flash knockdowns, probably more a problem with Tito's balance than anything else. He rarely looked really hurt or stunned by them. On the contrary, he usually got up and finished off the offender.

    Against Hopkins, Tito was beaten to the punch consistently throughout the whole fight. So when the TKO finally came, it was more an accumulation of Hopkins' punches, than anything having to do with a weak chin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingfrnk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Chico Corrales
    Tommy Hearns
    Tito Trinidad
    Terry Norris
    why tito?
    Trinidad like Corrales was only really KO'd once, and that in Corrales case was against Castillo, the Mayweather TKO and Casamayor TKO especially were basically cause of damage done, he wasn't SERIOUSLY hurt against Floyd
    but Trinidad was dropped a hell of a lot of times

    Campas
    Carr
    Vargas
    Hopkins
    Mayorga
    Jones Jr

    all dropped him, and i know there are more, just can't think of em
    Throw in Anthony Stephens.Fed Young Tito alot of right hands early and had him the most hurt of anyone I believe.KD and out on his feet for a sec.

    Maybe a bit unfair but Humberto Gonzalez,Edwin Rosario.Underrated and misleading record holder Freddie Pendleton.......had a chin made of sugar glass

    Think Lewis gets a bum rap for his chin.Stood up against some capable punchers.Shite training and lax preparation sure,but think his beard was good.
    Last edited by Spicoli; 07-17-2009 at 10:18 PM.

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    I may get some bad responses for this but Juan Manuel Marquez comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
    as soon as I read the thread title I knew people would be starting with the Lennox lewis nonsense...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng

    He's a heavyweight for god's sake... yes he has two KO losses but if a 220 pound man hits anybody clean on the chin and they don't see it coming then they will get knocked out.

    The two shots that got him were pretty massive. The glass jaw chin is basically a story/fallacy spread about him by people who haven't seen much, if any of his fights besides:

    a) The Tyson fight
    b) The Knockouts

    Bruno hit him with some MASSIVE punches.

    .
    Lol

    Lewis has only been down twice in his entire career and yet the haters say he has a glass jaw when most other heavies have been floored more often.

    When you consider all the names Lewis faced and all the years he had at the top its quite remarkable that he only touched the canvas twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
    as soon as I read the thread title I knew people would be starting with the Lennox lewis nonsense...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng

    He's a heavyweight for god's sake... yes he has two KO losses but if a 220 pound man hits anybody clean on the chin and they don't see it coming then they will get knocked out.

    The two shots that got him were pretty massive. The glass jaw chin is basically a story/fallacy spread about him by people who haven't seen much, if any of his fights besides:

    a) The Tyson fight
    b) The Knockouts

    Bruno hit him with some MASSIVE punches.

    As for Roy Jones Junior, that's debatable... who had decent punch resistance... tarver caught him right on the button with a massive punch he didn't see coming, again - if a light heavyweight hits you flush then you'll know about it.

    The Johnson knock out was the result of a sustained beating.

    I don't think Roy had a great chin or anything but it is underrated to say the least.

    and Lewis' chin is ridiculously underrated.
    Not to mention Roy destroyed himself dropping down from heavy to light heavy deep into his 30's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
    as soon as I read the thread title I knew people would be starting with the Lennox lewis nonsense...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng

    He's a heavyweight for god's sake... yes he has two KO losses but if a 220 pound man hits anybody clean on the chin and they don't see it coming then they will get knocked out.

    The two shots that got him were pretty massive. The glass jaw chin is basically a story/fallacy spread about him by people who haven't seen much, if any of his fights besides:

    a) The Tyson fight
    b) The Knockouts

    Bruno hit him with some MASSIVE punches.

    As for Roy Jones Junior, that's debatable... who had decent punch resistance... tarver caught him right on the button with a massive punch he didn't see coming, again - if a light heavyweight hits you flush then you'll know about it.

    The Johnson knock out was the result of a sustained beating.

    I don't think Roy had a great chin or anything but it is underrated to say the least.

    and Lewis' chin is ridiculously underrated.
    Well said, Lennox has actually been in fights where he took massive shots and stood up to them....In the Tua fight he took big shots and stayed upright

    The Bruno fight is another

    Roy is another fighter it is hard to judge because it was not until after the return trip from HW and combined with age before he was starched
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