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Does Katsunari Takayama remain in the pool at 108 after his loss to Roman Gonzalez at Straw?

I vote he is removed

Merge all lowest weightclass threads in here

I knew i forgot something last night. Light Flyweight Hernan Marquez just beat Juan Esquer over 12 rounds. Should he get the vacant 9th spot in the division? I say yes. He's undefeated. And Esquer was no push over. He almost beat Ivan Calderon a couple of years ago. I was meaning to vote on this prior to the fight but kept forgetting.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I knew i forgot something last night. Light Flyweight Hernan Marquez just beat Juan Esquer over 12 rounds. Should he get the vacant 9th spot in the division? I say yes. He's undefeated. And Esquer was no push over. He almost beat Ivan Calderon a couple of years ago. I was meaning to vote on this prior to the fight but kept forgetting.

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Hey VD, good to have you back aboard!

You need to create a new poll, set it to close in 3 days, leave it open so we can see who has voted & put all the fighters in the pool at 108 & those you think worth of nomination as options to vote on. You also need to include the option to leave the position vacant

For the record Esquer put a lot of pressure on Calderon but was nowhere near beating Calderon!!!

If you like I can put the poll up for you?

Who fills the #9 spot at Jr. Flyweight?

Munetsugu Kayo
Adrian Hernandez
Brahim Asloum
Edren Dapudong
Rodel Mayol
Herman Marquez

Should Juanito Rubillar be removed from the pool at 108 after being stopped by Giovanni Segura?

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I knew i forgot something last night. Light Flyweight Hernan Marquez just beat Juan Esquer over 12 rounds. Should he get the vacant 9th spot in the division? I say yes. He's undefeated. And Esquer was no push over. He almost beat Ivan Calderon a couple of years ago. I was meaning to vote on this prior to the fight but kept forgetting.

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Hey VD, good to have you back aboard!

You need to create a new poll, set it to close in 3 days, leave it open so we can see who has voted & put all the fighters in the pool at 108 & those you think worth of nomination as options to vote on. You also need to include the option to leave the position vacant

For the record Esquer put a lot of pressure on Calderon but was nowhere near beating Calderon!!!

If you like I can put the poll up for you?

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Yeah go ahead. Thanks. And I only had Esquer losing by a point or two.

Who fills the #10 spot at Strawweight?

Manuel Vargas
Denver Cuello
Ronald Barrera
Luis Alberto Rios

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I knew i forgot something last night. Light Flyweight Hernan Marquez just beat Juan Esquer over 12 rounds. Should he get the vacant 9th spot in the division? I say yes. He's undefeated. And Esquer was no push over. He almost beat Ivan Calderon a couple of years ago. I was meaning to vote on this prior to the fight but kept forgetting.

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Hey VD, good to have you back aboard!

You need to create a new poll, set it to close in 3 days, leave it open so we can see who has voted & put all the fighters in the pool at 108 & those you think worth of nomination as options to vote on. You also need to include the option to leave the position vacant

For the record Esquer put a lot of pressure on Calderon but was nowhere near beating Calderon!!!

If you like I can put the poll up for you?

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Yeah go ahead. Thanks. And I only had Esquer losing by a point or two.

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Done mate, just pop in there & add your vote.

Really? I had it wider

Herman Marquez should fill it. If the 9th spot gets filled than I can live with Mayol being placed at 10th. But I don't agree with him getting the 9th spot based on a draw

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Herman Marquez should fill it. If the 9th spot gets filled than I can live with Mayol being placed at 10th. But I don't agree with him getting the 9th spot based on a draw

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That's what the votes for. Remember as Manager your vote is worth 2 points, so Marquez is still technically ahead at this point.

Your basing Marquez' rank on beating Esquer & being undefeated, I also think he is an excellent prospect, but Calderon beat Esquer back in '07 & he'd lost 3 of his last 6 coming into the Marquez fight. Mayol fought to a six round draw with the #1 guy in our rankings & although it ended in only 6 rounds I feel it deserves some recognition.

My opinion is he didn't lose to our #1 guy & was nominated after the Calderon fight for ranking (receiving votes), so I feel he deserves to be nominated again...

He's a tough ol' durable fighter, but he looked less than relevant in that fight.

His career is over having lost all his bids for the title

Tyson has the ability to become a world champion and he has shown great chin too. Esquer has connected with great punches but he manages to withstand the relentless Esquer and won.

The Poll has now closed. The results are as follows:

Rubillar is removed from the pool by a vote of 6 points to 0

The Poll has now closed. The results are as follows:

Hernan Marquez enters the #9 position by a vote of 3 points to 2

The Poll has now closed. The results are as follows:

Manuel Vargas enters the #10 position by a vote of 4 points to 0

Should Dimitri Kirilov (currently #7 at 115) be removed from Jr. Bantamweight Ratings to the pool? He has not fought Aug 2 '08 which was the KO loss to Darchinyan...

I vote yes

I'm with Galaxy on this one. Drop him to the pool.

With Dimitri Kirilov due to come out, we now have 2 vacant spots at 115. We had originally voted for Lopez/ Sonosona to be for the vacant #10 position but with Nonito Donaire moving up I think we should vote again to see who fills the vacant #8 spot:

Nonito Donaire/ Rafael Concepcion winner Aug 15
Jose Lopez/ Marvin Sonosona winner Sep 4
Roberto Vasquez/ Drian Francisco Oct 3

The Concepcion-Donaire fight should fill one vacany and the Lopez-Sonosona should fill the other one

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

The Concepcion-Donaire fight should fill one vacany and the Lopez-Sonosona should fill the other one

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That was my thinking, I voted for Donaire/ Concepcion for 9th, Lopez/ Sonosona is perfect for 10th, although I want my boy Vasquez back in the ratings again...

i vote yes.

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The Concepcion-Donaire fight should fill one vacany and the Lopez-Sonosona should fill the other one

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That was my thinking, I voted for Donaire/ Concepcion for 9th, Lopez/ Sonosona is perfect for 10th, although I want my boy Vasquez back in the ratings again...

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I like Vazquez as well. But his opponent is the weakest of all by far

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Dimitri Kirilov exits the ratings to the pool with a vote of 5 points to 0

This poll is now closed. The results are as follows:

The winner of Nonito Donaire/ Rafael Concepcion on August 15 will fill the vacant #9 spot on a vote of 4 points to 2 points for Jose Lopez/ Marvin Sonosona winner & 1 point to leave to position vacant

We made a mistake in voting in Hernan Marquez into the vacant spot previously, when he was supposed to be for the pool at 115. So once again could we please have your votes on who should fill the vacant #9 position at 108:

Juanito Rubillar
Munetsugu Kayo
Adrian Hernandez
Brahim Asloum
Edren Dapudong
Rodel Mayol

My vote once again is for Mayol

I refuse to rank someone of the basis of a draw so that leaves out Mayol (who hasn't had a meaningful win in three years by the way) and Kayo who hasn't had a win yet this year.

Adrian Hernandez, hasn't fought someone worth putting him into the pool and has been flirting with flyweight.

Brahim Asloum had a good victory over humberto pool, but that was at flyweight and was his first fight since 2007.

Edren Dadupong had a good win over Bert Batawang, but if Batawang would have won, I certainly wouldn't have ranked him based on the victory.

Rubillar is a pretty safe bet to say he's done.

Based on this I vote for Dapudong, also based on this I will be voting to leave the number 10 spot vacant in the future, fighters need to earn these ranks.

I was well aware Marquez was bypassing the pool and into the rankings. There was no mistake. That was the intention. I didn't know it wasn't allowed. So be it. I say leave it vacant

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I refuse to rank someone of the basis of a draw so that leaves out Mayol (who hasn't had a meaningful win in three years by the way) and Kayo who hasn't had a win yet this year.

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For me its more the fact that he didn't lose to our #1 guy, but I see where your coming from. The rematch looks set... unfortunately Calderon's gonna school him!

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I was well aware Marquez was bypassing the pool and into the rankings. There was no mistake. That was the intention. I didn't know it wasn't allowed. So be it. I say leave it vacant

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It is allowed for a fighter to bypass the pool, but Marquez has never fought at 108. The Esquer fight was at 115. We have moved him into the pool at 115. The mistake was voting on a guy who had never fought at that weight...

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I refuse to rank someone of the basis of a draw so that leaves out Mayol (who hasn't had a meaningful win in three years by the way) and Kayo who hasn't had a win yet this year.

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For me its more the fact that he didn't lose to our #1 guy, but I see where your coming from. The rematch looks set... unfortunately Calderon's gonna school him!

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I was well aware Marquez was bypassing the pool and into the rankings. There was no mistake. That was the intention. I didn't know it wasn't allowed. So be it. I say leave it vacant

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It is allowed for a fighter to bypass the pool, but Marquez has never fought at 108. The Esquer fight was at 115. We have moved him into the pool at 115. The mistake was voting on a guy who had never fought at that weight...

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It says right in our rules though "Draws will have no effect on the rankings"

The Calderon draw didn't have any effect on our ratings! Except to move Mayol into the pool (remember also that Latimore entered the pool at 154 on a loss). There is a vacancy in which we are voting on Mayol is in the pool & I'm basing my vote on his last performance, won, lost or drawn...

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

The Calderon draw didn't have any effect on our ratings! Except to move Mayol into the pool (remember also that Latimore entered the pool at 154 on a loss). There is a vacancy in which we are voting on Mayol is in the pool & I'm basing my vote on his last performance, won, lost or drawn...

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The more I dig down on this look at Mayols record of late

We know about the Draw against Calderon, stopped early because of three headbutts.

The fight before that, same story but he won a majority technical decision against Ardin Diale who had a record of 5-1-1.

Before that Suchanya 5-7 where he won by TKO, a man that has yet to beat anyone with any prior pro fights, and most of his wins were against guys that retired after that one fight.

Both fights before that he was stopped by good competition in Hernandez and Solis.

Before that he blasted out Masatugu Okada who until that point hadn't won in three years, and continued to lose to mediocre competition for a few years after that until he retired.

Before that, he lost to who I thought at the time was the man at minimum weight Eagle Kyowa.

There is nothing in there that merits being ranked in the top 10 and that's going back three years. If he had a draw against Calderon but before that he was on some kind of run against opponents worth mentioning you may have a case, but it is a joke to rank someone with his recent track record. It's funny too that even on his biography on Boxrec they are making excuses.......

"After a year of inactivity he had to bolt out from his manager and find ways to fight because he has a family to feed. Then came Canadian match maker Michael Koncz who gave him a title shot in an under card for the Morales- Diaz match in Chicago.
Once again Mayol proved to everyone that he can mix it up with the champion banging him and almost decking the champ. But he was caught with a picture perfect left hook which sent him to the canvas for the count. It was a very frustrating loss for Mayol. What people didn't know was that Mayol had to undergo hell before that match. First, he had no sparring partner. He only sparred with Filipino Mercidito Gesta which is too much for a 108lb fighter like Mayol (Gesta is 133 lbs). Second is they were basically abandoned by his Japanese Manager. Koncz was just a matchmaker so they basically had look out for their own training. Homer Sayson a famous columnist said that sometimes they only ate once a day and they had to walk from their apartment to the gym. In the end, Mayol was malnourished and was not in good shape when he fought Solis. With the loss, the Philippine Boxing Media basically wrote him off until Manny Pacquiao came to his rescue and bought his contract from his Japanese Manager.
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Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

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I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

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Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

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I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

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Just using Latimore as an example, just because you didn't vote doesn't make it any less of a reality.

I agree 108 is extremely weak, hence the reason I voted for a guy who performed well against our best guy & a P4P guy to boot!

Again just using The Ring Ratings as an example, just because you disagree with something doesn't make it a joke. We all have different opinions & we're not always going to agree, which makes the voting system so good imo

But I stand by my initial vote, Mayol fought pretty much even up with Calderon (our #1 & also on the P4P) over the completed rounds. Its not his fault the fight was stopped (I feel he would have lost had it continued), but as it is he could have easily got the decision, he stepped in the ring, fought the best in the division & didn't leave with a loss. In a weak division that's more than enough to earn a vacant position.

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Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

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I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

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Just using Latimore as an example, just because you didn't vote doesn't make it any less of a reality.

I agree 108 is extremely weak, hence the reason I voted for a guy who performed well against our best guy & a P4P guy to boot!

Again just using The Ring Ratings as an example, just because you disagree with something doesn't make it a joke. We all have different opinions & we're not always going to agree, which makes the voting system so good imo

But I stand by my initial vote, Mayol fought pretty much even up with Calderon (our #1 & also on the P4P) over the completed rounds. Its not his fault the fight was stopped (I feel he would have lost had it continued), but as it is he could have easily got the decision, he stepped in the ring, fought the best in the division & didn't leave with a loss. In a weak division that's more than enough to earn a vacant position.

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I apologize for going overboard with the joke statement. I am making my case strongly because we have a tie (a tie with very little time left.)
As it stands now VD is going to have to break the tie and if he sticks with leave it vacant he essentially gets a triple vote on this. I am fine with the decision he has made, but it would be good to at least have another person vote on it.

Always good to hash it out yeah.I'm going the predictable route.Don't we have Mayol/Calderon rematch in 30 days?A few other meaningful ones also.I vote we leave em vacant

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

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Latimore fight went 12 rounds. It was a complete effort. It was also a fight many (myself included) felt he should of got the win.

Mayol did well for 6 rounds. Half a fight. There's no telling what would of happened in the 2nd half of the fight. I can't rank him based on a incomplete effort.

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I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

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Just using Latimore as an example, just because you didn't vote doesn't make it any less of a reality.

I agree 108 is extremely weak, hence the reason I voted for a guy who performed well against our best guy & a P4P guy to boot!

Again just using The Ring Ratings as an example, just because you disagree with something doesn't make it a joke. We all have different opinions & we're not always going to agree, which makes the voting system so good imo

But I stand by my initial vote, Mayol fought pretty much even up with Calderon (our #1 & also on the P4P) over the completed rounds. Its not his fault the fight was stopped (I feel he would have lost had it continued), but as it is he could have easily got the decision, he stepped in the ring, fought the best in the division & didn't leave with a loss. In a weak division that's more than enough to earn a vacant position.

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I apologize for going overboard with the joke statement. I am making my case strongly because we have a tie (a tie with very little time left.)
As it stands now VD is going to have to break the tie and if he sticks with leave it vacant he essentially gets a triple vote on this. I am fine with the decision he has made, but it would be good to at least have another person vote on it.

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Leave it vacant

This poll has now closed. The results are as follows:

The #9 position remains vacant by a vote of 3 points for leave it vacant to 2 points for Rodel Mayol & 1 point Edren Dapudong