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Lyle's, Pick'em Hypothetical Fights
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
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Lyle
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
I think Hearns uses his jab & sticks it in Mosley's face to carry himself to a close decision. I don't think he KO's him, but Mosley is not a great defensive fighter & I think he gets caught a bit too much. The one advantage Mosley does really have is his footspeed helping him get inside of Hearns, but I suspect Hearns just ties him up enough over a 12 rounder to take the decision.
I rate Sanchez as the better fighter & by some way, but we don't really know how he would do against a guy who's naturally quite a bit bigger. I'll be honest, it goes either way, I could very easily see Sanchez outboxing him, but I suspect he lets himself get into the trenches at some point & it all comes down to whether Chavez can KO him late.
I don't know who wins this one, Bowe has all the ingredients, but like you I suspect that if Tyson gets on the inside its over. I'm going to go with Tyson with a mid-fight TKO, maybe not putting him out, but doing enough that the ref steps in. I just feel Bowe had a tendency to want to go to places he shouldn't.
I can't choose between Arguello & Duran, my head says Duran proves too strong & tough in the way Pryor did in the end, but then my heart tells me that if Arguello could just outbox him & keep him on the end of those long arms he could take a decision. But I really can't go one way or the other on this one
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I think Hearns can get a split decision if he keeps his distance and uses his far superior physical tools, for sure he would be tested by Shane's power if he decides to get into the trenches with him.
I take Chavez by late round stoppage based on the old saying that the bigger great fighter would beat the great little fighter and Sanchez made his legend at featherweight while JCC made his at 130, 135, and 140.
Depends on which Tyson it is, is this the one with Kevin Rooney or is this the one post Spinks but pre-prison where he had a bunch of bum trainers? Tyson with Rooney I go with late round stoppage he would fight a war of attrition, he would have been able to get inside at some point, with Pre-prison Tyson but with other trainers I see Bowe taking out Tyson in the mid rounds while utilizing his physical advantages to keep Tyson at bay.
I take Duran over Arguello, imo no one but maybe a Whittaker could take him at lw. Arguello likes to trade too much and that would be playing into Duran's advantages. Mid round ko.
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imo i think Mosley/Hearns would have been a see/saw fight with Mosley eventually stopping him late
Chavez/Sanchez, just think Morales/Barrera only more violent with Sanchez probably stopping Chavez in the 13th by cuts or swelling
Bowe is just too big and had too good of a chin, although Tyson would of had his moments i think Bowe would stop him with a huge right hand close to the end of the fight
and Arguello/Duran, it's the toughest of the bunch, i think Arguello would use his long arms and reach to his advantage and land that big sharp right throughout the night, and eventually win a 15 rnd split decision over Duran after a back and forth action fight
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My picks.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Hearns
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- Sanchez
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- Bowe
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Arguello
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Lyle
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
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Lyle
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
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Dark Lord Al
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Lyle
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
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Hearns-Mosley - think tommys power would frighten off sugar enough to earn him a points win (ala:cotto-mosley)
Sanchez-JCC - havent seen enough sanchez fights to comment
Tyson-Bowe - prime mike would of just walked through bowe and taken him out within 3 brutal rounds. Tyson loved fighting taller guys as it just gave him more to aim at and it often ended in either a tyson overhand or an uppercut from a clinch. Bowe wouldnt stand a chance
Duran-Arguello - Alexis at 135 was an animal and often saw off front foot fighters like duran. But roberto would probably of got him in the later rounds especially if it was a 15er
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Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry
Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.
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(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry
Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]
" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .
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Dark Lord Al
Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley. :fyou:
It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive
bitch.[/quote]
" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .
You're right it is an uncommon adjective for a man as its mostly reserved men with perhaps too much estrogen in their blood. Such as yourself. Trailer/park projects...that's original.
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Lyle
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
I think Hearns uses his jab & sticks it in Mosley's face to carry himself to a close decision. I don't think he KO's him, but Mosley is not a great defensive fighter & I think he gets caught a bit too much. The one advantage Mosley does really have is his footspeed helping him get inside of Hearns, but I suspect Hearns just ties him up enough over a 12 rounder to take the decision.
I rate Sanchez as the better fighter & by some way, but we don't really know how he would do against a guy who's naturally quite a bit bigger. I'll be honest, it goes either way, I could very easily see Sanchez outboxing him, but I suspect he lets himself get into the trenches at some point & it all comes down to whether Chavez can KO him late.
I don't know who wins this one, Bowe has all the ingredients, but like you I suspect that if Tyson gets on the inside its over. I'm going to go with Tyson with a mid-fight TKO, maybe not putting him out, but doing enough that the ref steps in. I just feel Bowe had a tendency to want to go to places he shouldn't.
I can't choose between Arguello & Duran, my head says Duran proves too strong & tough in the way Pryor did in the end, but then my heart tells me that if Arguello could just outbox him & keep him on the end of those long arms he could take a decision. But I really can't go one way or the other on this one
Riddick Bowe was the Greg Page of the 1990s. A fat boy with a lot of talent and no dedication. Tyson by KO in 2.
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Lyle
OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
I think Hearns uses his jab & sticks it in Mosley's face to carry himself to a close decision. I don't think he KO's him, but Mosley is not a great defensive fighter & I think he gets caught a bit too much. The one advantage Mosley does really have is his footspeed helping him get inside of Hearns, but I suspect Hearns just ties him up enough over a 12 rounder to take the decision.
I rate Sanchez as the better fighter & by some way, but we don't really know how he would do against a guy who's naturally quite a bit bigger. I'll be honest, it goes either way, I could very easily see Sanchez outboxing him, but I suspect he lets himself get into the trenches at some point & it all comes down to whether Chavez can KO him late.
I don't know who wins this one, Bowe has all the ingredients, but like you I suspect that if Tyson gets on the inside its over. I'm going to go with Tyson with a mid-fight TKO, maybe not putting him out, but doing enough that the ref steps in. I just feel Bowe had a tendency to want to go to places he shouldn't.
I can't choose between Arguello & Duran, my head says Duran proves too strong & tough in the way Pryor did in the end, but then my heart tells me that if Arguello could just outbox him & keep him on the end of those long arms he could take a decision. But I really can't go one way or the other on this one
Riddick Bowe was the Greg Page of the 1990s. A fat boy with a lot of talent and no dedication. Tyson by KO in 2.
Bowe was a lot more than that, he didn't live up to his FULL potential but well the same can be said about Tyson, who was pretty much a beaten fighter after the 4th if the fight was competitive
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hearns stop`s mosley around the tenth
chavez gets ud over sanchez close but clear
tyson scores a late stoppage over bowe around the 11th
duran draws arguello into a war and wins ud
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[quote=JonesJrMayweather;766447][quote=Dark Lord Al;766420]
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It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]
" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .
You're right it is an uncommon adjective for a man as its mostly reserved men with perhaps too much estrogen in their blood. Such as yourself. Trailer/park projects...that's original.[/quote]
Also true .
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OK guys I have finally gotten around to coming up with some more hypothetical fights that are seemingly 50/50. This list isn't as good as the first, but I felt I had to come up with more than just 1-2 fights
Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: Pryor was a non-stop action fighter, he was always throwing punches and he had a great chin, but Sweet Pea was THE slickest fighter since Willie Pep.
Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: This fight always intrigued me not only because Forrest had such an easy time with Shane Mosley but also because Oscar and Vernon were on the same Olympic team. I think when Oscar was allowed to load up on his shots a bit more and punches weren't coming back at him in flurries he was more successful. Vernon fought from distance very well and had a dynamic right cross before the shoulder injury.
Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: This fight pits two styles against each other where the outcomes can vary greatly in Foster's favor you can cite Tyson-Douglas & Tyson-Lewis and in Patterson's favor you can look at Tyson-Tucker & Tyson-Biggs or any number of taller fighters. Both Patterson and Foster had great handspeed and power, but their chins left a lot to be desired.
Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: Two big heavy punchers who either didn't know how to act when they were hurt or just lost all sense when they got hurt. Bruno had the big right hand and Rudduck had the left 45 (hook/uppercut hybrid). In their respective primes I think they would have had a back and forth fight because they had the same strengths and the same weaknesses.
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Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: Pernell PTS
Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: ODH PTS
Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: Tough - Foster.
Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: Ruddock KO9
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OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Thomas Hearns vs Shane Mosley = Shane Mosley lost to Vernon Forrest, who basically beat him because of his height and jab. And no disrespect to Vernon Forrest, but Thomas Hearns was obviously better than Vernon Forrest.
And he would of beat Shane Mosley on points comfortably the same way Vernon Forrest did. Or stopped him early like Vernon Forrest almost did.
Salvador Sanchez vs Julio Cesar Chavez = This is a tough one because JCC was better, at the lower weightclasses. But i still feel he would struggle with a great boxer like Salvador Sanchez.
But i feel we never see the best of Salvador Sanchez, but he did do well against aggressive fighters. But JCC was a class above anyone Salvador Sanchez fought, i'll call it a draw.
Mike Tyson vs Riddick Bowe = Can i just say Lyle that Tony Tucker, broke his right hand after the 4th round, thats the reason he went into a defensive shell. Tony Tucker may of actually won that night, but we will never know.
Riddick Bowe struggled against fighters, with good jabs or boxers who fought him on the outside. But fighters that come to him he was in his element.
Mike Tyson never fought anyone close to someone like Riddick Bowe, in his prime that had the size and the inside fighting skills. I'd say Riddick Bowe by TKO late on.
Roberto Duran vs Alexis Arguello = Now Alexis Arguello did have some troubles against Southpaws, and he also struggled against good boxers. He was outboxed by Jose Luis Ramirez clearly at 135, but he loved fighters that come towards him.
Now as for Roberto Duran he himself had trouble with boxers, but i think he had a few more tools than Alexis Arguello. Now it would infact be in Roberto Duran's interest to box against Alexis Arguello amazingly.
Now you all think im crazy, but Alexis Arguello hits very hard. And he loved fighters that come towards him, and as tough as Roberto Duran is, i just don't like the thought of him taking those long Alexis Arguello right hands. At mid-distance as he's trying to come in.
I think Roberto Duran wins on points after being floored and hurt early, he begins to box and he out smarts Alexis Arguello in a closish UD.
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OK guys I have finally gotten around to coming up with some more hypothetical fights that are seemingly 50/50. This list isn't as good as the first, but I felt I had to come up with more than just 1-2 fights
Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: Pryor was a non-stop action fighter, he was always throwing punches and he had a great chin, but Sweet Pea was THE slickest fighter since Willie Pep.
Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: This fight always intrigued me not only because Forrest had such an easy time with Shane Mosley but also because Oscar and Vernon were on the same Olympic team. I think when Oscar was allowed to load up on his shots a bit more and punches weren't coming back at him in flurries he was more successful. Vernon fought from distance very well and had a dynamic right cross before the shoulder injury.
Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: This fight pits two styles against each other where the outcomes can vary greatly in Foster's favor you can cite Tyson-Douglas & Tyson-Lewis and in Patterson's favor you can look at Tyson-Tucker & Tyson-Biggs or any number of taller fighters. Both Patterson and Foster had great handspeed and power, but their chins left a lot to be desired.
Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: Two big heavy punchers who either didn't know how to act when they were hurt or just lost all sense when they got hurt. Bruno had the big right hand and Rudduck had the left 45 (hook/uppercut hybrid). In their respective primes I think they would have had a back and forth fight because they had the same strengths and the same weaknesses.
Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140:
Pernell Whitaker by UD he had no trouble with aggressive fighters, and Aaron Pryor almost lost to a slick Southpaw in Gary Hinton. Watch that fight i think thats a good fight to view, on how a fight between Pernell Whitaker/Aaron Pryor would of gone, except Pernell Whitaker would win unlike Gary Hinton.
Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147:
Now suprisingly i like Vernon Forrest in this fight, ODLH did at times struggle against a good jabber, and Vernon Forrest may of had the attributes to pull off a UD. Unless its a BS decision which is probably what would of happened.
Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175:
I've seen plenty of Bob Foster, but i have seen very little of Floyd Patterson at 175, so i can't comment.
Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock:
Frank Bruno has the tools to outbox Razor Ruddock, but Razor Ruddock has better survival instincts than Frank Bruno. And that would be the difference in the fight. Razor Ruddock may of been outboxed and floored, but in the end his extra mental toughness and survival instincts, would pull through and he would win a TKO round about the 8th round.
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OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.
Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.
That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.
Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.
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Hearns clear UD
Sanchez close decision
Bowe TKO
Duran closeish decision.
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Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4
Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15
Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2
Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.
(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.
Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...
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(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.
Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE??????
At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.
(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.
as far as the others..
I take JCC over sanchez
and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.
Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.
Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...
Alexis Arguello was past his prime against Aaron Pryor, we are talking about a prime Alexis Arguello here. And Aaron Pryor's 1st win over Alexis Arguello is tainted.
Because Alexis Arguello seemed to be coming on, in the later rounds like he often did. Until Aaron Pryor had the mysterious black bottle, which gave him energy.
And secondly that has nothing to do with a match up, between Alexis Arguello/Roberto Duran at Lightweight. Also just because Roberto Duran moved up in weight, and took some good punches.
Doesn't mean Alexis Arguello couldn't hurt him, or possibly stop him. Remember Roberto Duran was dropped like a sack twice, against Esteban De Jesus at Lightweight who isn't that big of a puncher.
Plus Alexis Arguello has a big reach and height advantage, so he could catch Roberto Duran coming in at mid-distance where he done his best work. With his perfect straight right hands which could knockdown a brickwall.
Alexis Arguello loved fighters that come towards him, which is why after Roberto Duran gets hurt early by Alexis Arguello. He would box smart and win a closish decision IMO.
Im not saying Roberto Duran would lose, all im saying is that he couldn't just come forward walking through Alexis Arguello's, best punches especially with Alexis Arguello's big reach advantage. Plus he hits too hard and Roberto Duran would of found that out very early.
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Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.
Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...
Alexis Arguello was past his prime against Aaron Pryor, we are talking about a prime Alexis Arguello here. And Aaron Pryor's 1st win over Alexis Arguello is tainted.
Because Alexis Arguello seemed to be coming on, in the later rounds like he often did. Until Aaron Pryor had the mysterious black bottle, which gave him energy.
And secondly that has nothing to do with a match up, between Alexis Arguello/Roberto Duran at Lightweight. Also just because Roberto Duran moved up in weight, and took some good punches.
Doesn't mean Alexis Arguello couldn't hurt him, or possibly stop him. Remember Roberto Duran was dropped like a sack twice, against Esteban De Jesus at Lightweight who isn't that big of a puncher.
Plus Alexis Arguello has a big reach and height advantage, so he could catch Roberto Duran coming in at mid-distance where he done his best work. With his perfect straight right hands which could knockdown a brickwall.
Alexis Arguello loved fighters that come towards him, which is why after Roberto Duran gets hurt early by Alexis Arguello. He would box smart and win a closish decision IMO.
Im not saying Roberto Duran would lose, all im saying is that he couldn't just come forward walking through Alexis Arguello's, best punches especially with Alexis Arguello's big reach advantage. Plus he hits too hard and Roberto Duran would of found that out very early.
So who do you rate higher at LW all time Alexis or duran?
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OK I thought of a few more (I'm going to have to think of maybe 5-10 before I post another set), but keep this debate going, I like it! Every point that is made about each of these fights I tend to switch sides...you guys are doing wonderfully backing up your points as well.
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OK, I hate to re-use some of the fighters I have already mentioned but here it goes.
Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield: Both big strong awkward fighters who beat THE BEST fighter(s) of their era with Norton beating Ali and Evander beating Tyson and Lewis. Norton was seemingly only bothered by HUGE punchers like Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney...Evander could punch, but not that hard. I see a battle closer than the Bowe-Holyfield fights.
Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe: Now of course Riddick was big and strong, but he was often lazy in the ring giving up his height and reach and Joe Frazier could take a punch, in fact he could take several, and nobody had more will in their body than he did and if Evander Holyfield could drop Bowe then I think it's a forgone conclusion that Frazier's left hook could do damage to Riddick.
Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210): Jersey Joe and Toney were very slick fighters who were defensively sound yet provided solid offense and power.
More to come later
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Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: I think that Whitaker would just be too tricky for Pryor. Pryor had that great all-action style, but I just think that Pernell would have outboxed him similar to how he did against Chavez, so I think Whitaker comes away with a UD, not a wide one, but comfortable enough.
Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: I've thought for years that had Oscar fought Forrest, he would have been comfortably beaten. I don't think that Forrest would dominate him, but his jab & cross would have been a problem for Oscar. Although given their respective statuses, I wouldn't be surprised had Oscar come away with a shocking SD victory. But ignoring that, I think Forrest did everything well enough & I think it would have looked similar to the ODLH-B-Hop fight, just without the KO, & Forrest taking the late rounds.
Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: Seen nothing of Patterson at LHW, but enough of Foster & going off that, I think that Foster KO's him in the middle rounds.
Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: I think Bruno was stronger physically, Ruddock mentally, but I suspect that Bruno might have been able to get to him early & after a bit of back & forth, KO him in the 6th or 7th, just before he managed to fold mentally.
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Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147 - I got to go with Tommy. If Shane had troubles with Forrest's size and jab he would get past Hearns.
Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135 - Hard to say since Sanchez only fought at 126. Close fight at 130 but at 135 I gotta go Chavez
Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe - Prime Tyson destroys Bowe. Bowe got hit way to often in those 3 fights with Evander. Bowe beats the sloppier Tyson (post prision) easliy
Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135 - Great fight but I only see Benny Leonard and Sweet Pea beating Duran at Lightweight.
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Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140 - I gotta go Sweet Pea all the way in this one.
Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147 - I think Vernon is a tuff out for any top Welter in the last 30 years. He's ahard style to crack but I think Oscar can do enough to beat him. Forrest had troubles with Mayorga and Oscar destroyed him.
Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175 - Not even close, Bob KO's "chinny chin chin" Patterson easily.
Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock - This will be like Lewis-Bruno. Bruno has moments but Razor gets him out of there in the late rounds.
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Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield:
Ken Norton had a tricky style and done well against boxers, Evander Holyfield may have his moments with his superior movement. But if Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Jimmy Young, movement didn't trouble Ken Norton that much, then i can't see Evander Holyfield doing better.
Ken Norton has the power advantage and his style may of been, a bit too tricky for Evander Holyfield. But i can't really tell all i know is that it would of 100 percent, gone the distance.
Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe:
Simple maths here Riddick Bowe is 6'5, 81 inch reach, prime weight 230 pounds. Joe Frazier is 5'11, 73 inch reach, prime weight 205 pounds. Riddick Bowe is simply too big for Joe Frazier, Riddick Bowe by TKO round about the 8th.
Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210):
Honestly haven't seen that much of Jersey Joe Walcott, the fights i have seen of his he looks like a very skilled crafty fighter. But so is James Toney, it would probably be a chess match could go either way.
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Good picks ICB, but may I remind you that Joe Frazier took a beating from the bigger man in Ali and still won his fair share of rounds. Also, Bowe did get rocked by a much lighter puncher in Evander Holyfield.
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Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield: Holyfield Pts.
Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe: Bowe pts in an epic battle
Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210): Jersey Joe too slick and experienced for Toney at this weight. He would not fall for the tricks of Toney as he invented most of them that Toney uses. Pts victory Walcott.
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I've finally thought up some new fights
Vasiliy Jirov-Tomaz Adamek (cruiserweight) - I think Jirov was probably the best cruiserweight post-Holyfield and Adamek is coming closer to matching Jirov's domination with each passing fight. I think Jirov can hurt Adamek and end up winning the fight. Your thoughts?
Kelly Pavlik-Steve Collins (160) -Kelly has been in with several different types of fighters and he's been hurt by a guy like Jermain Taylor who has below average power and I think constant pressure applied by a guy like Steve Collins could burst Pavlik's pipes.
Joe Louis-Sonny Liston - An intriguing match between two of the most devistating power punchers the heavyweight division has ever seen. Louis was apt to get knocked down, but he was only stopped twice 1 gas out and 1 vicious KO at the hands of Rocky Marciano at the tail end of his career. Liston was easy to hit, but was very dangerous.
Felix Trinidad-Mike McCallum (154) - Both quality fighters who were excellent at what they did Tito with his power punching and McCallum with the work to the body. I am not sure how Trinidad would react to the body shots that Mac could dish out.
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Nice ones Lyle.
Jirov/Adamek:Have to go with Jirov.Not a sharp straight right thats able to get to Adamek but just a rough and tumble fight.Both are far to willing to mix it up but Jirov cagey,mixes inside very well and that body work is an early investment.
Pavlik/Collins:Collins was a steady drip and as solid as they came.Way too much experience in deep fights for Kelly I believe.
Louis/Liston: Oh man this is just x rated.That jab would be hell on Louis early on and could see him being badly hurt.But in the end I think he finds a way and brings Liston some doubts with the late power surge for a win.
McCallum/Trinidad:Will not ever....eveeeeeeer bet against a primed Body snatcher at 154;D.Tito carried the weight well but McCallum would tie him in knots.Beard was very solid and could see him being countered repeatedly as he became more wide open for a McCallum TKO.
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I'm gonna hijack and throw in a mythical fight I think could have been kind of awesome
Tommy Morrison vs Smokin Bert Cooper
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Good in depth analysis Spicoli, I see those fights going much the same way.
Ouma, that's a tough one to call, Tommy could crack but could he handle Cooper's power???
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Good in depth analysis Spicoli, I see those fights going much the same way.
Van, that's a tough one to call, Tommy could crack but could he handle Cooper's power???
You have some great matches there Lyle but i cant help thinking in your haste to add more,you havent thought one through. Bruno v Ruddock? Bruno was handpicked every poor/mediocre/finished fighter out there until he got title fights,by which stage he HAD to fight someone with some kinda pedigree. God knows, the likes of poor jerry quarry must be spinning in his grave at the kinda guys who could call themselves world champion, like Bruno and Ruiz and half those eastern bloc champions. I remember as a kid, Bruno fought a guy called Jumbo Cummings whose claim to fame was a draw with a near 40yr old joe frazier, and he had Bruno in serious trouble in the first. that was only a few fights from Brunos 1st world title fight. Ruddock was in a different league to Bruno. 1st or maybe 2nd round knockout at the most with no count needed. No question. Keep up the good work my friend
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Thanks for the compliments....but I DID think of Bruno vs Ruddock, it's on page 2 ;D . Those two fighters in general peak my intrest in these hypothetical fights as they are the stereotypical big power no chin fighters so if you pair them either against a pure boxer or another big slugger then you still have no idea what would happen....for example either of them vs Shannon Briggs, Michael Moorer, or Andrew Golota would be tough to call.
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Thanks for the compliments....but I DID think of Bruno vs Ruddock, it's on page 2 ;D . Those two fighters in general peak my intrest in these hypothetical fights as they are the stereotypical big power no chin fighters so if you pair them either against a pure boxer or another big slugger then you still have no idea what would happen....for example either of them vs Shannon Briggs, Michael Moorer, or Andrew Golota would be tough to call.
ruddock in his prime would of run rings around bruno as would of moorer.
Bruno relied solely on that big overhand right. As long as you were able to combat that with a gameplan 9/10 you would beat bruno
