My friend/boxing trainer and I have been arguin over this recently.
He says that if Tito met up with Benn at 160 he would tear through Nigel and knock him out easily in a couple rounds.
I beg to differ.
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My friend/boxing trainer and I have been arguin over this recently.
He says that if Tito met up with Benn at 160 he would tear through Nigel and knock him out easily in a couple rounds.
I beg to differ.
Benn KO's Tito for me.
IMO Trinidad had the more explosive punching power, and it's not like Benn was a ring technician, i think it would of been even for most of the fight, until Trinidad stops him in the later rounds due to the huge double left hooks (hook to the body then the head) combined with his huge straight right, but this much said i think he'd stop Benn on his feet, probably on the ropes
Hulk,you should go easier on your trainer in sparring or at least pull your punches....hes clearly affected;D.
Benn way to strong and Tito going back is a Tito being hurt in that one.
but Benn was a beast at 168, IMO at 160 it would of been pretty evenQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
My trainer and I just go to the body when we spar. Sometimes jabs up top.
Cus he suffered a brain tumour when he was younger and had to have it removed back then, so its not safe to go hard up top with him.
Real good trainer and good guy though.
He just doesn't like Benn. Thinks he has no skill or defense.
And while I will agree with my trainer, that HIS favorite fighter, James Toney would KO Benn at 160, I don't think Tito could have done it.
Even if Tito hurt Benn, then the "Dark Destroyer" woulda got up and run thru Tito like a hot knife thru butter.
Benn would tear off Tito's head.
Trinidad punches were straighter than Benn's. If he could avoid getting caught Trinidad stops him. And stops him early.
I agree Benn was at his best at 168. Not 160
Trinidad was not as effective at 160 as he was 154 and 147.
Benn KO.
And Benn was? Except for beating Iran Barkley (who came in having lost his last 2) he did nothing else. Unless you call getting knocked out by Watson and Eubanks doing somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by match
I believe Nigel Benn beat Doug Dewitt and Robbie Simms at 160 as well.
And Iran Barkely is a MUCH bigger man than Tito Trinidad.
He had straight punches too.
And was knocked down 3 times and stopped in one round.
Think these hypotheticals get a bit blurred.Couple of weeks ago it was Toney vs. Holyfield at cruiserweight.......Have to take into account the tremendous difference in experience of each guy at the moment in time.The hypo is really loaded in one direction ;D
Benn was a what?2,3 year pro at middle and Tito by the time he reached 160 had a decade + under his belt.And although he smashed Joppy,I still say he was not a middleweight and had done nothing else there.Also maturity as a fighter,Benn at 160 was in his pure destruct and come forward days but would go on to add some nice boxing and patients down the stretch......perhaps learned best from punching himself out vs. Watson and Eubanks in the first go.
Going against that,I still say Benn is to strong and while both fighters...especially Tito, were dropped and stunned very early in fights...more often than not they both got up.I think Tito gets put on his heels and it gets to be an inside fight,Titos left hook would be dangerous but when its close and they exchange.If Jr. Welts drop Tito...Benn keeps him on the floor.
;DI think Michael Watson and Chris Eubanks are just a little more formidable at 160 than Trinidad was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnd Benn was? Except for beating Iran Barkley (who came in having lost his last 2) he did nothing else. Unless you call getting knocked out by Watson and Eubanks doing somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by match
both bangers both could get hurt,i am going with benn by brutal ko 2 after i would think going down himself ,i am not comparing trinidad to logan so dont think i am but the ending could be simaliar with benn hurt and trinidad moving in for the kill when nigel hooks him into next week ,benn at 160 although not as good as the 168 version had more one punch power
To be honest though VD, you say Iran Barkley had lost his last two. But that doesn't tell the whole story, two of those losses were against Roberto Duran, Michael Nunn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnd Benn was? Except for beating Iran Barkley (who came in having lost his last 2) he did nothing else. Unless you call getting knocked out by Watson and Eubanks doing somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by match
Roberto Duran fought the fight of his life, and i thought Iran Barkley did enough to win. But still i have no complaints it was a great fight. And a very close one at that.
And Michael Nunn was P4P number 4, and was just coming off a brutal KO win over Sumbu Kalambay. Many people thought Michael Nunn would beat Iran Barkley easily.
But infact it was a very close fight, and Iran Barkley was praised on a very good effort against Michael Nunn. Losing a very close decision, me personally i only had Michael Nunn winning by 2 rounds.
As for the Nigel Benn vs Iran Barkley fight, i personally think Nigel Benn got away with murder. Hitting Iran Barkley while he was on the floor, and he was lucky the 3 knockdown rule was in effect. Because i believe Iran Barkley may of comeback to stop Nigel Benn.
I agree with you that Nigel Benn was better at 168 though, he improved as a boxer and i think his punch resistance. Was better at 168 aswell, but he still had some other good underrated wins at 160. The only man to stop Robbie Sims and a dominating win over Doug DeWitt.
As for this fight itself, well i was never really sold on Felix Trinidad at 160. I don't think he was at his best at Middleweight. And personally he did get knocked down alot early, and had that happened against Nigel Benn i don't think he would of survived.
And say what you will about Nigel Benn being better at 168, but he still had crushing one punch KO power. And i think he hit harder than Felix Trinidad especially at 160.
But Nigel Benn himself at 160 had bad defensive flaws. And wasn't quite the boxer he was at 160, and Felix Trinidad would have the advantage of experience over Nigel Benn, i really think this is about as 50/50 as you can get. This fight has so many ways it could go its impossible for me to pick.
Did I mention Benn would tear off Tito's head.
Wow good match up.;D
Think it would be very close,both are hard hitters with chins that are not always 100%.
Think Tito was a more controlled boxer but you could never count Benn out of a fight.
You know what it is a good match up!Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I think the author of this thread should get repped from everyone around the board!
Benn by KO in a Hagler Hearns type brawl most probably.
Agree re the Hagler Hearns comparison. I go for Benn getting hurt by a few bombs and getting mighty pissed off and scoring a KO in 3 or 4 .
Tito was only on the floor about 50 times at welterweight.
Kevin Lueshing decked him for effs sake.
I agree it could resemble Hagler-Hearns although more likely Khan vs Prescott. ;D
Big Nigel Benn fan eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
;D
I'd pick Benn at 160, but wouldn't be suprised if he swallowed a left hook and got KOed
I think you meant got knocked down not KO'd.. then got up and sparked out Tito. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
sorry to say it but 160 above and tito stunk the place out
Benn wouldnt of made the weight anyway and even if he did would of been incredibly weight drained and not half as effective as he is at 12stone
It would of been 2 fighters out of their depth slugging it out
Dewitt and Simms?? You gotta be from England. I was laughing so hard when I saw those names my belly popped through my throught onto the floor. They were more journeymen than fringe contenders here in the USA. As Holmes might say "Robbie Simms can't carry his brother's jockstrap." His brother being Marvin Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He's not from England lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreatDewitt and Simms?? You gotta be from England. I was laughing so hard when I saw those names my belly popped through my throught onto the floor. They were more journeymen than fringe contenders here in the USA. As Holmes might say "Robbie Simms can't carry his brother's jockstrap." His brother being Marvin Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Dewitt was a good win, he'd gone the distance with McCrory & Hearns and Benn stopped him convincingly.
Loved the Barkley fight - again an excellent win
Eubank (2nd fight) another big win, even if the judges cheated him
McClellan - Nuf said
Benn definitely had his limitations, but he was genuine world class and a match for any of the 90s MWs and SWs (P.S I said 'a match' not that he would beat)
Agreed with Big H Robbie Simms also never got stopped by anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HHe's not from England lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreatDewitt and Simms?? You gotta be from England. I was laughing so hard when I saw those names my belly popped through my throught onto the floor. They were more journeymen than fringe contenders here in the USA. As Holmes might say "Robbie Simms can't carry his brother's jockstrap." His brother being Marvin Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Dewitt was a good win, he'd gone the distance with McCrory & Hearns and Benn stopped him convincingly.
Loved the Barkley fight - again an excellent win
Eubank (2nd fight) another big win, even if the judges cheated him
McClellan - Nuf said
Benn definitely had his limitations, but he was genuine world class and a match for any of the 90s MWs and SWs (P.S I said 'a match' not that he would beat)
Simms beat Duran too didn't he? Or am I thinking of somebody else?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed with Big H Robbie Simms also never got stopped by anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HHe's not from England lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
Dewitt was a good win, he'd gone the distance with McCrory & Hearns and Benn stopped him convincingly.
Loved the Barkley fight - again an excellent win
Eubank (2nd fight) another big win, even if the judges cheated him
McClellan - Nuf said
Benn definitely had his limitations, but he was genuine world class and a match for any of the 90s MWs and SWs (P.S I said 'a match' not that he would beat)
Yes he did, although I remember he was fortunate to get the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSimms beat Duran too didn't he? Or am I thinking of somebody else?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed with Big H Robbie Simms also never got stopped by anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Well i've got that fight on DVD, i have only watched it once. But i remember thinking it was a draw, very close fight could of gone either way. Plus he beat Iran Barkley in a 6 round thriller, its on youtube if you haven't seen it great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes he did, although I remember he was fortunate to get the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSimms beat Duran too didn't he? Or am I thinking of somebody else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I am from California, USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreatDewitt and Simms?? You gotta be from England. I was laughing so hard when I saw those names my belly popped through my throught onto the floor. They were more journeymen than fringe contenders here in the USA. As Holmes might say "Robbie Simms can't carry his brother's jockstrap." His brother being Marvin Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
And I resent the implication that I am from England.
And Simms was a lil bit better than what you are giving him credit for.
I would too. Insults don't come much worse than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI am from California, USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreatDewitt and Simms?? You gotta be from England. I was laughing so hard when I saw those names my belly popped through my throught onto the floor. They were more journeymen than fringe contenders here in the USA. As Holmes might say "Robbie Simms can't carry his brother's jockstrap." His brother being Marvin Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
And I resent the implication that I am from England.
And Simms was a lil bit better than what you are giving him credit for.
One thing I keep coming back to and I cant get it out off Head. Trinadad got put on His arse by Kevin Leusing at welter ;D
Didn't Anthony Logan put Benn on his ass? What's that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Logan was a lot bigger than Leusing dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDidn't Anthony Logan put Benn on his ass? What's that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
And Benn was bigger than Trinidad. Again what's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyLogan was a lot bigger than Leusing dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDidn't Anthony Logan put Benn on his ass? What's that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
The point is that Benn would obviously be favoured because of his natural advantage in size and supposedly strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
My point is Ben would have mullered Him, Styles make Fights Ben was all wrong for Him Tito was made for Ben Hope that Helped ;D
For the record Logan did not put Benn down, he wobbled him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDidn't Anthony Logan put Benn on his ass? What's that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap