Who do you think will win the super six tournament? Personaly i think Mikkel kessler will win or Arthur Abraham but it is based on points from fights so if AA gets a couple KO's he will most likely win.
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Who do you think will win the super six tournament? Personaly i think Mikkel kessler will win or Arthur Abraham but it is based on points from fights so if AA gets a couple KO's he will most likely win.
The points just matter as to who advances, not who wins the final. The two people that advance to the final will fight each other and who wins that fight wins the tournament...
Like to have a look at the young Americans, but if I had to say now its between Kessler and Abraham.
im a believer in Andre Dirrell
Andre Ward. But what happens if Kessler loses his upcoming fight? is he thrown out of the tournament then?
got to be kessler, call me crazy but if taylor can get his shit together again then i think he has shot, hes still a good ass fighter
I got Jermaine Taylor shocking everybody and taking it all. His career is up against the wall. Anything but a great showing and he's done. And I think he knows it. He'll pull it out
totally agree, i think hes been seriously overlooked for this tournament,hes a better fighter than all of them imo, its just his stamina issues that have caught up to him in fights, the thing is there issues that can be addressed and worked on,thats why i give him a chance stillQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Thats where your wrong bro, he's in good shape. Its more to do with him being too tight, and wasting alot of nervous energy. And that has always been the problem, he even gassed in a very slow pace fight with Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448totally agree, i think hes been seriously overlooked for this tournament,hes a better fighter than all of them imo, its just his stamina issues that have caught up to him in fights, the thing is there issues that can be addressed and worked on,thats why i give him a chance stillQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
So what does that tell you ? he's got some mental issues. Which i don't think can be corrected. He even went back to his old coach Pat Burns. And if he can't correct it i don't see how anyone can.
u could be right icb, either way there is definately some issue there with the stamina, wether its mental nervous energy hes expending or hes not training to the best of his ability and gassing to easily, he is still a dam good fighter tho, only jermaine taylor nos what the problem is, hope he sorts it thoQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBThats where your wrong bro, he's in good shape. Its more to do with him being too tight, and wasting alot of nervous energy. And that has always been the problem, he even gassed in a very slow pace fight with Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448totally agree, i think hes been seriously overlooked for this tournament,hes a better fighter than all of them imo, its just his stamina issues that have caught up to him in fights, the thing is there issues that can be addressed and worked on,thats why i give him a chance stillQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
So what does that tell you ? he's got some mental issues. Which i don't think can be corrected. He even went back to his old coach Pat Burns. And if he can't correct it i don't see how anyone can.
The best thing about this tournament is that you could ask six different people and get six different answers.
Try and imagine this tournament involving the best six in any other weight class and the result being so wide open as this.
It's insane, anyone can potentially win this and you can make great arguments for all of them.
As a testament to the sheer unpredictability of this event is that the guy seemingly with the least support on this forum, the great Frochster, is actually the bookies favourite to win the whole thing here in the UK.
And the rank outsider according to British bookies, Andre Dirrel, is quite heavily tipped to beat Froch in their first round match by a great many people on this site.
It's a great tournament and you really can't pick who is going to win any individual fight let alone the whole thing.
For the record, my first round picks are,
Taylor points
Froch KO
Kessler points
He's got all the tools, except for maybe his defense at times. Is a bit leaky but he's got a fantastic jab, good speed, good power. And good skill sets but he's so frustrating especially if your a fan of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448u could be right icb, either way there is definately some issue there with the stamina, wether its mental nervous energy hes expending or hes not training to the best of his ability and gassing to easily, he is still a dam good fighter tho, only jermaine taylor nos what the problem is, hope he sorts it thoQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBThats where your wrong bro, he's in good shape. Its more to do with him being too tight, and wasting alot of nervous energy. And that has always been the problem, he even gassed in a very slow pace fight with Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
So what does that tell you ? he's got some mental issues. Which i don't think can be corrected. He even went back to his old coach Pat Burns. And if he can't correct it i don't see how anyone can.
In reality he should of beat Kelly Pavlik x2, he's a class above him. And he for certain should of beaten Carl Froch, but his mental issues will always plague him IMO.
all true mate, can u imagine if they did this for the welters, thats including pacman and mayweather, that would be somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
yeah its a shame when u put it like that, sort of reminds me of zab judah in a way, gettin beat by people who had no business beating u, but ur stamina,mental makeup lets u downQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe's got all the tools, except for maybe his defense at times. Is a bit leaky but he's got a fantastic jab, good speed, good power. And good skill sets but he's so frustrating especially if your a fan of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448u could be right icb, either way there is definately some issue there with the stamina, wether its mental nervous energy hes expending or hes not training to the best of his ability and gassing to easily, he is still a dam good fighter tho, only jermaine taylor nos what the problem is, hope he sorts it thoQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
In reality he should of beat Kelly Pavlik x2, he's a class above him. And he for certain should of beaten Carl Froch, but his mental issues will always plague him IMO.
I agree, for similar reasons. JT's problems are physiological, in my mind. If he is not expected to win, he may feel less pressure and therefore be looser for the fights. I think he like W. K. expends a lot of nervous energy early in fights, and fades late. WK seems to have tamed this, I hope JT can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
In my opinion JT can train to go 100 rounds and still fade in the 9th if he feels pressure. Its almost not his fault.
BINGO!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThats where your wrong bro, he's in good shape. Its more to do with him being too tight, and wasting alot of nervous energy. And that has always been the problem, he even gassed in a very slow pace fight with Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448totally agree, i think hes been seriously overlooked for this tournament,hes a better fighter than all of them imo, its just his stamina issues that have caught up to him in fights, the thing is there issues that can be addressed and worked on,thats why i give him a chance stillQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
So what does that tell you ? he's got some mental issues. Which i don't think can be corrected. He even went back to his old coach Pat Burns. And if he can't correct it i don't see how anyone can.
Taylor is always nervous and tight in his fights and thus he gets exhausted come the late rounds.
He won't win this tournament.
I Andre Dirrell or Ward pullin it out.
Well the bookmakers here in the UK have Froch favorite but I see Kessler being head and shoulders above the rest!
In reality he lost. You need more than skill to be a success. What advantages he had in skill were wiped out by the heart, bottle, stamina, toughness, power etc of those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe's got all the tools, except for maybe his defense at times. Is a bit leaky but he's got a fantastic jab, good speed, good power. And good skill sets but he's so frustrating especially if your a fan of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448u could be right icb, either way there is definately some issue there with the stamina, wether its mental nervous energy hes expending or hes not training to the best of his ability and gassing to easily, he is still a dam good fighter tho, only jermaine taylor nos what the problem is, hope he sorts it thoQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
In reality he should of beat Kelly Pavlik x2, he's a class above him. And he for certain should of beaten Carl Froch, but his mental issues will always plague him IMO.
Skills look more impressive, and are probably the most important factor after bottle, but that's only one part of the package.
Just because a fighter is faster, has more variety of punches and a better defence doesn't necessarily mean he will ever beat the lesser skilled man.. as history shows ;)
Great points here. Rocky Marciano sprung to mind as soon as I read your post. He was not the fastest or most skillfull but he had a ton of power, heart and toughness and it showed!Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIn reality he lost. You need more than skill to be a success. What advantages he had in skill were wiped out by the heart, bottle, stamina, toughness, power etc of those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe's got all the tools, except for maybe his defense at times. Is a bit leaky but he's got a fantastic jab, good speed, good power. And good skill sets but he's so frustrating especially if your a fan of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
In reality he should of beat Kelly Pavlik x2, he's a class above him. And he for certain should of beaten Carl Froch, but his mental issues will always plague him IMO.
Skills look more impressive, and are probably the most important factor after bottle, but that's only one part of the package.
Just because a fighter is faster, has more variety of punches and a better defence doesn't necessarily mean he will ever beat the lesser skilled man.. as history shows ;)
Wow. The bookies have Froch as the favorite? I would put money against that any day. I doubt he wins. Kessler will always be a bad matchup for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Actually it's only with one firm. Some others have Kessler favourite or Kessler/Froch joint favourite.. either way they look to be overestimating the chances of Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWow. The bookies have Froch as the favorite? I would put money against that any day. I doubt he wins. Kessler will always be a bad matchup for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I like Kessler to win it all.
My dark horse is Dirrell.
would be stunned if kessler doesnt win every fight he is in.
Froch-abraham to fight over 2nd...ward 4th, taylor 5th...dirrell will struggle to win a fight
I actually think that Froch may surprise a lot of people and win the entire thing! Kessler is being overrated here as he is everywhere the guy is not proven and lost his only fight at elite level; Froch has fought at elite level twice (Pascal and Taylor) and is 2 and 0 with 2 ko's.
I definately know who wins in this tourny.....boxing & the fans. That's all I really give a damn about.
Exactly! Can't believe that this has been put together with all the alphabets agreeing aswell. Lets hope we can have this throughout all the divisions and help get boxing back on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyuExactly! Can't believe that this has been put together with all the alphabets agreeing aswell. Lets hope we can have this throughout all the divisions and help get boxing back on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I know, it's crazy. I'm still waiting for the curtain to fall somehow, but even though there are going to be injuries and other setbacks this is a tremendously good idea. This is a perfect type scenario imo for up and comers to get noticed and make a name.
I could even see EA Spots making video games off something like this. I'd buy it.
If he stays focus, Dirrell will do well. I give him an outside chance. Ward? I give him no chance. I have my doubts he'll even finish the tournament. If any fighters pulls out, I think it'll be WardQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkBINGO!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThats where your wrong bro, he's in good shape. Its more to do with him being too tight, and wasting alot of nervous energy. And that has always been the problem, he even gassed in a very slow pace fight with Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
So what does that tell you ? he's got some mental issues. Which i don't think can be corrected. He even went back to his old coach Pat Burns. And if he can't correct it i don't see how anyone can.
Taylor is always nervous and tight in his fights and thus he gets exhausted come the late rounds.
He won't win this tournament.
I Andre Dirrell or Ward pullin it out.
I still think Taylor won the second fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIn reality he lost. You need more than skill to be a success. What advantages he had in skill were wiped out by the heart, bottle, stamina, toughness, power etc of those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe's got all the tools, except for maybe his defense at times. Is a bit leaky but he's got a fantastic jab, good speed, good power. And good skill sets but he's so frustrating especially if your a fan of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
In reality he should of beat Kelly Pavlik x2, he's a class above him. And he for certain should of beaten Carl Froch, but his mental issues will always plague him IMO.
Skills look more impressive, and are probably the most important factor after bottle, but that's only one part of the package.
Just because a fighter is faster, has more variety of punches and a better defence doesn't necessarily mean he will ever beat the lesser skilled man.. as history shows ;)
Taylor-Abraham: I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how close (and GOOD) this fight is actually going to be! Abraham like Bernard Hopkins, gives away early rounds, that's not good vs Taylor who can build up a solid lead, and sure Froch closed the show but who knows maybe Abraham gets a little tuckered out and Taylor hangs on to win...it could happen, I think JT has a lot riding on him winning at least this fight.
Ward-Kessler: Mikkel gets overrated and underrated at the same time, but vs Andre Ward he is just too experienced and too powerful. Ward recently got dropped by Edison Miranda, and I can't name a top level guy Andre has hurt.
Dirrell-Froch: I see Carl Froch as a limited fighter with good power, I think Dirrell will surprise a lot of folks and stop him late.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I 100% agree. I got Taylor winning it all.......
I just don't think Froch has the defense to win. He's one of the lest complete fighters in the whole tourny.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
All in on Kess. :cool:
I think somewhere along the line Taylor gets brutally stopped,its not just mental, its physical as well.Dude is rinse and repeat now.Think Abraham does so.....Dirrel has the tools to distort all to willing Frochs appearance.