Andrade - Bute II

Well I look forward to see what happens this time.

I backed Andrade in the first fight, simply because I like the person he has shown to be and we was a underdog fighting in Butes backyard.

It was a tough fight for Andrade and Bute where dominant in most of the fight.

In the dying seconds Andrade got Bute down, I thought Bute was out, but the ref only did an 8 count.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk_Zq...eature=related

Please note when Bute get a hand towards his corner from the ref his legs is still gone and tumbles towards his own corner. In my book Andrade won, but at least now we will have a big fight this time in Andrades backyard.

Who will win Bute or Andrade ?

I think Andrade have an edge over Bute knowing he can get him down´, on the other hand Bute has shown he has the tools to give Andrade a tough time in the ring, but it seems that Andrade like that :cool:

Andrade late KO

I think Bute will hold twice as much as he did in the first fight and skate away with a wide decision. I really hope I'm wrong cause Andrade is one of my favorite fighters.

Bute by wide UD. I'll be cheering for Andrade, but I think Bute beats him again.

Andrade should not have the last fight based on the final round (unless you feel it should have been stopped before the KD, read the IBF's rules). But whatever, lets just keep having the same argument we had months ago.

I am going with Bute by an easy UD.

bute on points though i hope librado finally gets justice and takes him out late on!!

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Bute by wide UD. I'll be cheering for Andrade, but I think Bute beats him again.

Andrade should not have the last fight based on the final round (unless you feel it should have been stopped before the KD, read the IBF's rules). But whatever, lets just keep having the same argument we had months ago.

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Haha if Bute had shown he was ready and able to take a step forward he would have beaten the count, no doubt, but the judge didn´t ask him to do that ;), and I doubt he could have, but at least we get a fight with a bit of nerve to it this time ;D

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Bute by wide UD. I'll be cheering for Andrade, but I think Bute beats him again.

Andrade should not have the last fight based on the final round (unless you feel it should have been stopped before the KD, read the IBF's rules). But whatever, lets just keep having the same argument we had months ago.

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Haha if Bute had shown he was ready and able to take a step forward he would have beaten the count, no doubt, but the judge didn´t ask him to do that ;), and I doubt he could have, but at least we get a fight with a bit of nerve to it this time ;D

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None of that means jack shit. The IBF rules clearly state that if a fighter is knocked down with less than 10 seconds left in the fight then the fight is over the second his gloves clear the canvas. Him being able to continue or being told to take a step forward is completely irrelevant. All that matters is that his gloves cleared the canvas before the count of ten, which they did.

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

I don't think bute won the first one so i hope he doesn't win this one.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I think Bute will hold twice as much as he did in the first fight and skate away with a wide decision. I really hope I'm wrong cause Andrade is one of my favorite fighters.

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Agreed Bute is a clever boxer who does not often repeat his mistakes....

I too am a big Andrade fan and would like to see him win but on the other hand I am a fan of Bute as well....

As far as a hometown advantage goes the Canadian people have taken a big liking to Andrade...Foe the Tsypko fight he was gioven a tremendous welcome to the ring...

Will be a good fight

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

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Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I think Bute will hold twice as much as he did in the first fight and skate away with a wide decision. I really hope I'm wrong cause Andrade is one of my favorite fighters.

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Agreed Bute is a clever boxer who does not often repeat his mistakes....

I too am a big Andrade fan and would like to see him win but on the other hand I am a fan of Bute as well....

As far as a hometown advantage goes the Canadian people have taken a big liking to Andrade...Foe the Tsypko fight he was gioven a tremendous welcome to the ring...

Will be a good fight

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He trains in Montreal I believe.

it just says that the bell cannot ring unless the gloves leave the floor. They don't specify whether the fighter can continue but they do emphathize that a fighter cannot be save by the bell. It's all under the ref's discretion. Andrade was just unlucky.

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the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

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Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

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That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up?? :cwm13:

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

Bute with a loopsided unanimous decision like in the first fight except that in that one, he won't go toe to toe with Andrade like he did in the last fight. First time he won 11 rounds and got staggered in the 12th, this time, he wins clearly the fight by mashing Andrade's face, winning at least 9 out of the 12 rounds and not repeating the same mistake.

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the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

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Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

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That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up?? :cwm13:

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

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alright, I'm interested do you have a link to the video?

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the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

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Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

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That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up?? :cwm13:

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

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I don't think the rule is vague at all. He needs to rise (ie get up) and have his gloves clear the canvas. Basically, as long as he is able to stand the round will end. At that point, considering it was the 12th round, there was no need from him to be able to continue because the fight was over with the completion of the 12th round. It seems very straightforward to me.

Regarding Wright, I know he did a terrible job I don't need to see a video about it. I was watching the fight on tv (and cheering for Andrade by the way) and he let Bute do almost whatever he wanted. You can (and I did) argue that a rematch is deserved based on that alone, but Andrade absolutely did not get robbed of a victory following the knock-down, unless you dispute the speed of the count with seems a bit ridiculous to me unless it is a very glaring discrepency. One more thing, if the fight had been stopped prior to the KD, which it possibly should have been, it would have been Chavez - Taylor all over again.

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Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

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That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up?? :cwm13:

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

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alright, I'm interested do you have a link to the video?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPM5GVe3yc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6WAfosj0

What interests me the most are Wright's own words in the interview.

"Alright he's out on his feet" - Wright

"Andrade cost himself a knockout win by leaving the corner" - Wright

"Bute would not have got up on time?" - Farhood
"That's right" - Wright

Not to rehash the old argument, but I still maintain the fight should have been stopped before the knockdown, because cleary Bute was

A) Unable stand unaided

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B) Unable to defend himself


In the final round of a championship fight I can't think of a point that's more dangerous for Bute.

I hope Andrade wins this. Andrade deserved to win the first IMO, hopefully he will be a bit dirty and rough Bute up and get to him earlier this time. Bute will try to be poncy, but Andrade should just put an elbow in his eye and hack him down.

andrade will have to hope bute tires. Although he did hurt bute in the 4th or 5th round and of course the ref made sure bute was given time to recover from that.

That was worse than I remember, I was so mad about the last count I forgot how fast he counted when Andrade fell, to bad for Bute he couldn´t make it 10 in "TIME", but Marlon gave it his best shoot :o.

Thx for that vid, eventhough I am disgusted with the ref.

wonder who is going to be ref. in the rematch, mayBE we will se Marlon in disguise :disguise:

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That was worse than I remember, I was so mad about the last count I forgot how fast he counted when Andrade fell, to bad for Bute he couldn´t make it 10 in "TIME", but Marlon gave it his best shoot :o.

Thx for that vid, eventhough I am disgusted with the ref.

wonder who is going to be ref. in the rematch, mayBE we will se Marlon in disguise :disguise:

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I bet they will try to find the most "fair but firm" ref out there.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...50_520171a.jpg

People hate on Lucian Bute alot but the fact is, he was making Librado Andrade look stupid until he mistakenly. Brawled in the last round, which almost cost him but didn't. He got up in time 8 and a half seconds, he got up before 10 clearly. And whether or not Marlon Wright wouldn't have gone over to Librado Andrade.

It would of made no difference, because there was no time left in the round, which is what people are forgetting. The extra seconds Lucian Bute got made no difference what so ever.

Because there was no time left in the round, he went down with 3 seconds left, and by the time he got up the round was over. So all he had to do was stand up and answer the ref, which he did.

I really don't think Lucian Bute gets enough credit, for showing great heart for getting up or his boxing display over Librado Andrade, which was impressive.

He also has some good underrated wins over fighters, like Kabary Salem who floored Joe Calzaghe heavily and went 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe. Or against Sakio Bika who won The Contender, and gave Joe Calzaghe a very rough night, Lucian Bute beat him more convincingly than Joe Calzaghe.

Lucian Bute is a very good fighter and i've been saying, he is the darkhorse of the division for awhile. Lucian Bute should get alot of credit for taking this rematch, yet i don't see anyone giving him credit at all which is a damn shame.

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People hate on Lucian Bute alot but the fact is, he was making Librado Andrade look stupid until he mistakenly. Brawled in the last round, which almost cost him but didn't. He got up in time 8 and a half seconds, he got up before 10 clearly. And whether or not Marlon Wright wouldn't have gone over to Librado Andrade.

It would of made no difference, because there was no time left in the round, which is what people are forgetting. The extra seconds Lucian Bute got made no difference what so ever.

Because there was no time left in the round, he went down with 3 seconds left, and by the time he got up the round was over. So all he had to do was stand up and answer the ref, which he did.

I really don't think Lucian Bute gets enough credit, for showing great heart for getting up or his boxing display over Librado Andrade, which was impressive.

He also has some good underrated wins over fighters, like Kabary Salem who floored Joe Calzaghe heavily and went 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe. Or against Sakio Bika who won The Contender, and gave Joe Calzaghe a very rough night, Lucian Bute beat him more convincingly than Joe Calzaghe.

Lucian Bute is a very good fighter and i've been saying, he is the darkhorse of the division for awhile. Lucian Bute should get alot of credit for taking this rematch, yet i don't see anyone giving him credit at all which is a damn shame.

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You bring up the same opponent list quite often (actually anytime Bute is mentioned), I really wasn't impressed with Bute's boxing in the Andrade fight, I saw an above average amount of holding to the point of being excessive. I've seen Bute look great in previous fights but he was fighting in a skilled way like John Ruiz has skill. I'm not saying he wasn't winning by a wide margin, but I'm saying I wasn't impressed with the way he was boxing IN THAT PARTICULAR FIGHT.

I do give him credit for taking the rematch although Andrade is his mandatory anyway so it's not like he has a choice if he wants to keep his belt.

I don't think Bute gets careless this time & wins a wide decision

The November 28th rematch between IBF super middeweight champion Lucian Bute (24-0, 19 KOs) and Librado Andrade (28-2, 21 KOs) has been picked up by HBO’s Boxing After Dark, marking the first time since 1977 that the network will travel north of the border to broadcast a fight from Canada. Their first encounter ended controversially with Bute out on his feet en route to a decision. No site named yet, but the bout will be held in either Montreal or Quebec City, Canada.

Bute-Andrade Update | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7

I have to say that I am somewhat disappointed that the fight is no being held in a more neutral location. However, I can understand that packing 15,000 people into the Bell Centre is had to turn your back on. Plus, as Andrade trains in Montreal, perhaps it won't be as big a disadvantage as it first appears. Montreal is a much better, and more fair, location than Quebec City though.