Andrade - Bute II

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

[Mar]

I don't think bute won the first one so i hope he doesn't win this one.

[CFH]

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

[JazMerkin]

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up??

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

[Nameless]

Bute with a loopsided unanimous decision like in the first fight except that in that one, he won't go toe to toe with Andrade like he did in the last fight. First time he won 11 rounds and got staggered in the 12th, this time, he wins clearly the fight by mashing Andrade's face, winning at least 9 out of the 12 rounds and not repeating the same mistake.

[killersheep]

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up??

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

alright, I'm interested do you have a link to the video?

[JazMerkin]

Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up??

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

alright, I'm interested do you have a link to the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPM5GVe3yc

[killersheep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6WAfosj0

What interests me the most are Wright's own words in the interview.

"Alright he's out on his feet" - Wright

"Andrade cost himself a knockout win by leaving the corner" - Wright

"Bute would not have got up on time?" - Farhood
"That's right" - Wright

Not to rehash the old argument, but I still maintain the fight should have been stopped before the knockdown, because cleary Bute was

A) Unable stand unaided

and

B) Unable to defend himself


In the final round of a championship fight I can't think of a point that's more dangerous for Bute.

[Gandalf]

I hope Andrade wins this. Andrade deserved to win the first IMO, hopefully he will be a bit dirty and rough Bute up and get to him earlier this time. Bute will try to be poncy, but Andrade should just put an elbow in his eye and hack him down.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

andrade will have to hope bute tires. Although he did hurt bute in the 4th or 5th round and of course the ref made sure bute was given time to recover from that.

[CFH]

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up??

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

I don't think the rule is vague at all. He needs to rise (ie get up) and have his gloves clear the canvas. Basically, as long as he is able to stand the round will end. At that point, considering it was the 12th round, there was no need from him to be able to continue because the fight was over with the completion of the 12th round. It seems very straightforward to me.

Regarding Wright, I know he did a terrible job I don't need to see a video about it. I was watching the fight on tv (and cheering for Andrade by the way) and he let Bute do almost whatever he wanted. You can (and I did) argue that a rematch is deserved based on that alone, but Andrade absolutely did not get robbed of a victory following the knock-down, unless you dispute the speed of the count with seems a bit ridiculous to me unless it is a very glaring discrepency. One more thing, if the fight had been stopped prior to the KD, which it possibly should have been, it would have been Chavez - Taylor all over again.