Rematch at Azteca

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08-08-2009, 11:42 AM
El Kabong

Rematch at Azteca

Well the US put out their roster for the rematch, and I must say, Bob Bradley has done a better job putting this team together.

Goalkeepers: Tim Howard (Everton, England), Brad Guzan (Aston Villa, England).

Defenders: Carlos Bocanegra (Rennes, France), Jonathan Bornstein (Chivas USA), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96, Germany), Jay DeMerit (Watford, England), Chad Marshall (Columbus Crew), Oguchi Onyewu (AC Milan, Italy), Jonathan Spector (West Ham, England).

Midfielders: Michael Bradley (Borussia Mönchengladbach, Germany), Ricardo Clark (Houston Dynamo), Clint Dempsey (Fulham, England), Benny Feilhaber (Aarhus, Denmark), Stuart Holden (Houston Dynamo), Jose Francisco Torres (Pachuca, Mexico).
Forwards: Jozy Altidore (Hull City, England), Conor Casey (Colorado Rapids), Brian Ching (Houston Dynamo), Charlie Davies (Sochaux, France), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy).

The noteable players that I think have been left off are Freddy Adu, Kenny Cooper, and I think Maurice Edu but then again he may still be hurt, maybe you could make a case for Kyle 'RRRRAAASTA' Beckerman. Also Jermain Jones isn't on there because I think he #1 is injured and #2 some rule is going to keep him off the American side until later in the fall. Bob, Conor Casey SUCKS! But bravo Bob for putting Torres on the squad, he should be used to the altitude playing at Pachuca.

Our starting squad should be something like this:

GK: Howard

LB: Bornstein CB: Onyewu CB: Bocanegra RB: Spector

CDM: Clarke
LM: Bradley RM: Dempsey
CAM: Donovan

ST: Davies ST: Altidore

And of course our reserves will be: Feilhaber, Torres, Casey, Cherundolo, Guzan
08-08-2009, 12:18 PM
OumaFan

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I've gotta say I'm not sure what the appeal of Conor Casey is either.

Please no Bornstein. It will probably be just a repeat of the Confed cup back four with Demerit in the middle and Boca on the left, I worry a bit about Mexico's speed with that lineup though. I wouldn't mind Cherundolo on the right, Gooch and Demerit in the middle and Spector on the left. That won't happen though, if it did it would be Gooch and Boca in the middle as Boca's gonna always start even though I'm not sure he should.

We will almost certainly see Clark and Bradley in the middle to start. Clark as an all out defensive mid and Bradley as a bit of a box to box type center mid. Feilhaber to come in late. I'm glad he brought Holden, if I had seen Sacha instead of Holden I would have been highly annoyed, Holden's just better, period.

Anyway I feel pretty sure it will be this

Spector Gooch Demerit Boca
Dempsey Bradley Clark Donovan
Altidore Davies

With Benny to come in for Jozy or Davies with Clint moving up front. If were behind Benny might replace Clark and Holden for Clint who will move up. I actually don't mind that, my confidence in Benny and Holden, especially Benny, has skyrocketed over the last couple months. Possibly Ching too if were behind.
08-08-2009, 12:24 PM
OumaFan

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I think Clint is coming into his own (I always think of Beavis and Butthead when I say coming into his own) a bit, I watched a stream of Fulham's game in the Europa league and the other team was a bit crap but Dempsey was clearly Fulham's best attacking player and he was one of their best last year. He actually looks like he can cross the ball now, before that was one of the things missing. Now I'm not sure what's missing, he can dribble, strong in the air, good passer, great touch, good long distance shot with both feet. Of course I know what's missing really, big time speed. If he was faster he almost certainly wouldn't be at Fulham anymore, as it is he's one of their top 3 or 4 players and could move on to an Everton type team.

And Donovan's at his peak. Things looking ok although I'm always a bit wary playing at Azteca.
08-08-2009, 03:15 PM
El Kabong

Re: Rematch at Azteca

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I've gotta say I'm not sure what the appeal of Conor Casey is either.

I figured Cooper won a spot by being a striker who could actually SCORE a goal if need be.

If we had a fit Eddie Johnson who played up to his potential then there would be no need to discuss Ching/Cooper/Casey.

Torres had better get playing time if our midfield tires out due to the altitude
08-13-2009, 08:34 AM
El Kabong

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Well Mexico won, man did they ever have to work hard at that though, it was up hill all match long, Mexico just couldn't get any of the calls their way.....:Sarcasm:

I have had enough of Mexico and Mexicans....you can all go fuck off! That match was a fucking disgrace, little bitch ass Mexican players droppin and diving all over the pitch and then when a US player is legitimately hurt 3 of those motherfuckers try and force him to his feet and then after our players interfere with them a Mexican player tries to choke one of the US players and a red card was never shown.

The next time the US and Mexico play here in the US I hope they play in Philadelphia on Free Beer and Free Battery night so those little bastards for El Tri can see a violent Pro-American crowd. Or better yet we'll just steal away some of my fellow Republicans from these Healthcare Town Hall meetings.

FUCK MEXICO
08-13-2009, 12:20 PM
VictorCharlie

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I thought we played like crap personally and were lucky to even be in the game. Bad passes, traps, no patience, no movement w/o the ball, consistently losing 50/50 balls and we couldn't seem to clear it out to our guys. Better basic execution and I think we at least earn a tie.
08-13-2009, 04:08 PM
Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Re: Rematch at Azteca

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Mexico won, man did they ever have to work hard at that though, it was up hill all match long, Mexico just couldn't get any of the calls their way.....:Sarcasm:

I have had enough of Mexico and Mexicans....you can all go fuck off! That match was a fucking disgrace, little bitch ass Mexican players droppin and diving all over the pitch and then when a US player is legitimately hurt 3 of those motherfuckers try and force him to his feet and then after our players interfere with them a Mexican player tries to choke one of the US players and a red card was never shown.

The next time the US and Mexico play here in the US I hope they play in Philadelphia on Free Beer and Free Battery night so those little bastards for El Tri can see a violent Pro-American crowd. Or better yet we'll just steal away some of my fellow Republicans from these Healthcare Town Hall meetings.

FUCK MEXICO

wow...way to express urself there...Thats very mature.
08-13-2009, 04:45 PM
OumaFan

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I'm over it, I didn't really expect a win there and we're fine as far as qualifying goes. The ref was horrible but really that's to be expected at Azteca. And lets face it all the yellow's we got we earned. Still the problem lied with us, I know in a game like that were not going to have the majority of the possession, that's not even the plan but we gave the ball away far too easily at times. Even with all that said if Charlie Davies (who right know is our best striker IMO) just doesn't misjudge that great cross from Stewart Holden late in the second half then who knows what happens. Oh well we will get them when they come back to the US (whenever that is).
08-13-2009, 04:47 PM
OumaFan

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Should Boca even be out there? Make Landon the captain and make Boca earn his place. Our left back situation is horrible.

Boca was really bad.
Michael Bradley Jr. was as bad as I've ever seen him and here's the problem with having the father of a player being coach. I never bought into the nepotism argument for the most part, Michael deserved to be on the team, but he never gets subbed. He was horrible yesterday, when they brought in Benny it should have been for him, not Rico.
Landon was pretty bad outside of the goal but I guess that gives him a pass.
08-13-2009, 05:02 PM
El Kabong

Re: Rematch at Azteca

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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

wow...way to express urself there...Thats very mature.

...it's light hearted compared to what Mexican fans and players say and do.

Remember this old chestnut???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybZTZCLIzt4

So yeah you can bottle that shit about what is mature or not
08-13-2009, 05:26 PM
El Kabong

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The God Damn refs were HORRIBLE! How did we get 4 yellows to Mexico's 1 which that bastard apparently earned by trying to force Charlies Davies to his feet when he was hurt and THEN choking Benny Feilhaber who also got carded for no good reason other than he was protecting his teammate from 3 Mexican thugs.....yeah unlike you guys when we get injured we're REALLY injured.

It must have been a real surprise to the coach, the players, and the fans of Mexico that they were able to pull off such a grand upset without having one of our players sent off.

Yeah the US allowed Mexico to control pace for long stretches of time, but it's about time our guys stepped up and played their best in a hostile environment.
08-13-2009, 05:49 PM
Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Re: Rematch at Azteca

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

wow...way to express urself there...Thats very mature.

...it's light hearted compared to what Mexican fans and players say and do.

Remember this old chestnut???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybZTZCLIzt4

So yeah you can bottle that shit about what is mature or not

First of all juzz because people "fans/players" are assholes somewere else doesn't mean you have to come to the forum and be an asshole to people of Mexican heritage by saying "Fuck Mexico"
and second what does that video have to do with the game that was played yesterday?
08-13-2009, 05:56 PM
Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Re: Rematch at Azteca

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

The God Damn refs were HORRIBLE! How did we get 4 yellows to Mexico's 1 which that bastard apparently earned by trying to force Charlies Davies to his feet when he was hurt and THEN choking Benny Feilhaber who also got carded for no good reason other than he was protecting his teammate from 3 Mexican thugs.....yeah unlike you guys when we get injured we're REALLY injured.

It must have been a real surprise to the coach, the players, and the fans of Mexico that they were able to pull off such a grand upset without having one of our players sent off.

Yeah the US allowed Mexico to control pace for long stretches of time, but it's about time our guys stepped up and played their best in a hostile environment.

All of the cards given wer legit.

"protecting his teammate from 3 Mexican thugs"? talking out of your ass there man.

yeh and you think beign slide tackled by a guy who is a foot taller than you and at least 40-50 pounds heavier dnt hurt?

you guys lost the ball like half the time and werent settin a pace and were very sloppy...IMO the US dint play their best game yesterday.

and about your "Grand upset" Mexico like US last game dint have their best team and this time the US did and you still lost i think thts why you are mad.;D
08-13-2009, 06:14 PM
OumaFan

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all our cards were legit but there were 2-3 instances where Mexico should have gotten cards too and they didn't. Some bizarre calls overall.

The ref just had no control over the game. Nery Castillo was only on for what 30 minutes and how many altercations did he get into? 3? Dude's out of control, period.

I mean Charlie Davies had to come off for fucks sake. Fucking ridiculous. I don't see how our guys kept their temper with Nery and the 2 other guys mugging him. I would have fucking chinned him and gotten tossed out of the game ;D
08-14-2009, 12:25 AM
OumaFan

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I apologize for being negative about Landon Donovan, he has swine flu, that's as good a reason to be subpar as any I guess.
08-14-2009, 08:51 AM
El Kabong

Re: Rematch at Azteca

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

All of the cards given wer legit.

"protecting his teammate from 3 Mexican thugs"? talking out of your ass there man.

yeh and you think beign slide tackled by a guy who is a foot taller than you and at least 40-50 pounds heavier dnt hurt?

you guys lost the ball like half the time and werent settin a pace and were very sloppy...IMO the US dint play their best game yesterday.

and about your "Grand upset" Mexico like US last game dint have their best team and this time the US did and you still lost i think thts why you are mad.;D

First off that Oswaldo Sanchez video shows that Mexico has a history of having poor sports and thugs on their side and the Charlie Davies incident in that last game proves it has continued.

Don't you find it odd that an American can get choked and still receive a yellow card. Also, let's not pretend that those Mexican players were extending a helping hand to Charlie Davies, they were trying to force a truly injured player to his feet.....yeah unlike your team we don't flop down on the ground like a bunch of pussies. Don't you think Mexico deserved more than just one yellow card, I mean the guy had to choke Benny Feilhaber to get it too....that is ridiculous.

Take offense and see what good it does for you, I shouldn't have to downplay my distaste for what happened just because someone on the forum may or may not be from Mexico or of Mexican heritage. All I care about is that people recognize that the Mexican soccer team once again played with a stacked deck at Azteca and I think you glossing over what actually happened just shows the type of fans Mexico has.
08-14-2009, 12:24 PM
VictorCharlie

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I've played my whole life and spent a lot of time playing in Mexican adult leagues. It is amazing how the "machismo" disappears once you bump into a latin player on the pitch. Being a relatively stout guy I've had so many fouls called on my by floppers it absurd.
08-14-2009, 06:08 PM
El Kabong

Re: Rematch at Azteca

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanChilds

I've played my whole life and spent a lot of time playing in Mexican adult leagues. It is amazing how the "machismo" disappears once you bump into a latin player on the pitch. Being a relatively stout guy I've had so many fouls called on my by floppers it absurd.

That flamboyant flopping IS machismo in their culture...the Italians, the Brazilians, the Portugese, etc. all those flamboyant cultures all have floppers and apparently that's cool to do.....maybe if we used Coach K from Duke he'd teach our guys how to fall down properly, the Dukies are always diving like a bunch of women.

I was ready for Gooch to beat the shit out of those bastards though! I'm thinking perhaps we need a Vinnie Jones on our team or a Materazzi or Cafu
08-14-2009, 07:45 PM
Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Re: Rematch at Azteca

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina

All of the cards given wer legit.

"protecting his teammate from 3 Mexican thugs"? talking out of your ass there man.

yeh and you think beign slide tackled by a guy who is a foot taller than you and at least 40-50 pounds heavier dnt hurt?

you guys lost the ball like half the time and werent settin a pace and were very sloppy...IMO the US dint play their best game yesterday.

and about your "Grand upset" Mexico like US last game dint have their best team and this time the US did and you still lost i think thts why you are mad.;D

First off that Oswaldo Sanchez video shows that Mexico has a history of having poor sports and thugs on their side and the Charlie Davies incident in that last game proves it has continued.

Don't you find it odd that an American can get choked and still receive a yellow card. Also, let's not pretend that those Mexican players were extending a helping hand to Charlie Davies, they were trying to force a truly injured player to his feet.....yeah unlike your team we don't flop down on the ground like a bunch of pussies. Don't you think Mexico deserved more than just one yellow card, I mean the guy had to choke Benny Feilhaber to get it too....that is ridiculous.

Take offense and see what good it does for you, I shouldn't have to downplay my distaste for what happened just because someone on the forum may or may not be from Mexico or of Mexican heritage. All I care about is that people recognize that the Mexican soccer team once again played with a stacked deck at Azteca and I think you glossing over what actually happened just shows the type of fans Mexico has.

Go read the defenition of a thug in the dictionary...

He did not get choked he touched his neck and Benny dropped to the ground for no reason haha...talkin bout us beign pussys...

Ther Mexican soccer team dint have a stacked deck the had a bunch of old people on the team, once again you are wrong and your team WAS stacked.

Yeh and you are setting a good example for an USA fan right? Stereotyping Mexicans and cussing out a country just because your team lost...you dnt sound lik a good representative just let Oumafan talk since he is more well spoken then you are.
08-14-2009, 07:59 PM
OumaFan

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Lyle PM me with your thoughts, I'll clean them up and post for you.

Mexico was only really missing Marquez right? To be fair he fucks up a lot against us. I was almost sad to see him not out there. We were close to full strength, add a fit Jozy (Ching depresses me) and a new motherfucking left back and we'd be good. And Spector at right back for Cherundolo while were at it.

Meh I'm over it, we lose there, Mexico loses here (pffft at the Gold Cup, we had a college team out there), I'm tired of playing them for now, I'm happy when we win but to be honest I'm probably more pissed off when we lose than happy when we win. Bring on the World Cup.

I'm not gonna get involved in insulting each country but if we're gonna outlaw insulting countries then everybody's gotta take back everything about France.

If Donovan got Dempsey sick I'll be pissed, Fulham needs to beat Portsmouth tomorrow.
08-14-2009, 08:04 PM
Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Re: Rematch at Azteca

Quote:

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Lyle PM me with your thoughts, I'll clean them up and post for you.

Mexico was only really missing Marquez right? To be fair he fucks up a lot against us. I was almost sad to see him not out there. We were close to full strength, add a fit Jozy (Ching depresses me) and a new motherfucking left back and we'd be good. And Spector at right back for Cherundolo while were at it.

Meh I'm over it, we lose there, Mexico loses here (pffft at the Gold Cup, we had a college team out there), I'm tired of playing them for now, I'm happy when we win but to be honest I'm probably more pissed off when we lose than happy when we win. Bring on the World Cup.

I'm not gonna get involved in insulting each country but if we're gonna outlaw insulting countries then everybody's gotta take back everything about France.

If Donovan got Dempsey sick I'll be pissed, Fulham needs to beat Portsmouth tomorrow.

Dud wer had lik 4 guys on our team in mid 30s or i think they wer older lol...Cuatemoc did poorly.

It really is a back and forth kinda thing. I can't wait for the wold cup either.

I dint insult anyones country...
France? lol
Donovan really got swine flu?
08-14-2009, 08:13 PM
OumaFan

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Well that's on the manager ;D If he's gonna start Blanco there's nothing we can do about it. Not like I watch the Mexican team much but it seems like Vela's more of a sub. Blanco did set up the first goal although it was just a simple pass. Besides we cancelled that out with Brian Ching.

Yeah Donovan has the swine flu. Trying desperately to figure out a way to give it to Beckham.
08-14-2009, 08:23 PM
Manuel "Chubby" Medina

Re: Rematch at Azteca

Quote:

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Well that's on the manager ;D If he's gonna start Blanco there's nothing we can do about it. Not like I watch the Mexican team much but it seems like Vela's more of a sub. Blanco did set up the first goal although it was just a simple pass. Besides we cancelled that out with Brian Ching.

Yeah Donovan has the swine flu. Trying desperately to figure out a way to give it to Beckham.

haha...
Yeh idk wats going on there I was countin on Vela to score or do some awesome plays an he dint.
Yalls defence was tight specially on the sides.
lol dats humor.;D
08-17-2009, 06:28 PM
El Kabong

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I don't like their team, if that offends certain people I'm sorry, I hate the New York Yankees too but nobody cries about that, it's no different than that...only perhaps that all the players on Mexico's soccer team are Mexican but that isn't my problem, I have Mexican friends and if they can't get over it then tough shit....I don't like your team, deal with it