Hopkins wants 60-40, RJJ wants 60 to the winner 40 to the loser cant argue with that as Nard aint exactly in the PPV big league and RJJ cant get a slot on HBO without another big name.
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Hopkins wants 60-40, RJJ wants 60 to the winner 40 to the loser cant argue with that as Nard aint exactly in the PPV big league and RJJ cant get a slot on HBO without another big name.
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Nice find.
Jones is hilarious and at the same time talking complete sense.
Jones Jr already beat Hopkins quite decisively. In fact I like the idea of winner takes 60%. All fights should have that kind of motivational factor. Of course, BHop cannot handle the conversation.
i actually wouldnt mind seeing this fight. really should have happened a long time ago though.
I actually would mind because it’s not fair for RJJ who’s well past from his prime and I think he should retire now after schooling Lacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
I agree they should have fought long time ago even if Roy would have beaten BHop in any point of his career before Ruiz fight IMO.
Why doesn't Hopkins want to make this fight? When it was suggested that the winner takes all he disappeared. imo he would be the favorite in this fight & its a chance to avenge his loss.
I agree this fight should have been made years ago (& I would have favored Jones) but I can't understand why B Hop ain't jumping at the chance to show Roy up... RJ even said Hopkins can pick the judges!
Wow, im surprised that Bernard would not accept 60-40, winner taker the lions share. Sounds very fair to me. Roy has more to lose too imo.
Agreed on the motivational factor!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Come to think of it when there are pre fight verbal jousts, I've never heard anyone publicly say "Ok lets make a side bet then big mouth" and put them on the spot right there and then in front of the cameras and fans.
Surely if you think that Lacy was schooled he should fight on, or is it an acceptance that Lacy wasn't a threat and therefore even though he was schooled it was a meaningless fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100I actually would mind because it’s not fair for RJJ who’s well past from his prime and I think he should retire now after schooling Lacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
I agree they should have fought long time ago even if Roy would have beaten BHop in any point of his career before Ruiz fight IMO.
Agree that it should have happened an age ago, some of these fights are just people trading on their name and I believe it's a bit of a let down for the paying public.
They fought in their primes and Jones won. Why do we need to kow who's aged better?
Hahaha!!!! This is great!
Do you realise this is a continuation of an old arguement?
I call it ''60/40 Part 2''!
Here's part 1 circa Feb'02 ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJbOw_5DPiEBernard should of took the fight then. 60/ 40 would of got his ass kicked :p
...And Bernard talking about ''a reasonable catchweight'' :rolleyes: I really can't tell if he was pussy or just too shrewd beyond reason ???
Reasonable Catchweight ;D ... Coming from Bernard that shit is hilarious. I love him as a fighter but as a prospective opponent you may as well be negotiating with a brick wall!
I have no interest in ever seeing Roy fight again. The second he started getting ko'd repeatedly, shut out by Calzaghe, and made it clear he could no longer draw flies to sh!t he lost the right to be in position to make ANY demands, I don't care how many c-level fighters he beats.
I've been wanting to see this fights for years! I'll be so happy if it gets made!
I'll be rooting for B-hop if it does.
Just read the highlights of the interview on fightnews, it seems like Bernard is not confident at all about beating Jones. But that said Jones is the only man to clearly beat Bernard without any doubt being raised afterward, maybe Jones is in Hopkins' head.
"He's having the best time he's ever had in his life at 44 yrs old, cause when we were in our primes Bernard couldn't eat because I was there, so now its his time to eat so let him eat, I'm not trying to stop him from eating, leave him alone, let him enjoy himself. He wants to enjoy that, he wants to live off legacies, i don't care about a legacy. Long as I beat him I'm cool so I don't worry 'bout it. People can say Bernard is p4p the best ever long as when they look at your legacy it will have an "L" by my name"
"I'm not going to pay Oscar part of my money when I fight, and he don't pay me part of his when he fights"
"Go down there and beat up them little guys, you'll beat all them then come make a big a fight with me, then it will be worth your time. Because they want me to beat you, because when I beat you its over for you" -
Roy Jones Jr.
All bias aside, Bernard got his ass handed to him in this little debate...There's no argument for not accepting 60/40 lion share to the winner and BHOP can pick the judges...he's full of shit thinking Dawson or Adamek would net him more money than a fight with as he calls it "a shell" of roy Jones. Bernard is pretty pathetic trying to prove to himself that he's better than roy by bringing up how he did against guys that beat roy when roy was past it. But as Roy said, he didn't beat him.
"Bernard are you there?"
"NO! He gone"
"We started off with Bernard but ended up with-"
"The Truth"
Bernard got schooled...
I wouldn't mind seeing this fight really and I would be rooting for Jones Jr all the way. I don't actually think it would be beyond belief to see Jones pulling off the win. Both guys have a reduced output and take their time between punches and I'm not convinced that Hopkins has the power to put away Jones Jr whatsoever. I can see it being a relatively close fight. Jones Jr has the obvious handspeed advantages and is fighting canny these days. Hopkins might win rounds, but I can see Jones edging more of them with his combinations and flash.
I can see it being a bit of a chess match just like it would have been at any time of their careers.. A different sort of matchup compared to 10 - 15 years ago, but still it wouldn't be the most boring fight of the year...Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I would pay to see it before i would pay to see B-Hop fight the others he mentioned. I agree B-hop got his azs handed to him in the interview. You must think Roy will beat you again if you wont take the lions share of the 60/40 split.
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Originally Posted by skel1983
60% to the winner sounds really good..If BHOP feels he can't loose he would simply say BRING IT ON! But Looks like he doesn't want to loose on both ends...On the cash and in the ring..
;D "I never said you was Jeff Lacy"
I think these guys hate each other so much that they will not fight one another again. Similar to the fact that there will be no EM v MAB IV.
The reinvention continues ;D.All Jones had to do after Hopkins beat Pavlik was defeat Calzaghe.He lost and looked every bit a deteriorated fighter.Hopkins was all over the place talking Roy up,literally prior to and at ringside.Jones brings a name and some added fan attraction ....how packed was that arena for the Lacy fight?...but Hopkins will face a more current and lively threat in either Dawson or Adamek than he will in Jones at this point.Who called who again?
The thing is that money is the most important thing to these two. Otherwise hating the other person is the best reason in my mind for wanting to fight them. Who wouldn't want to be paid to hit someone you hate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Exactly. It's a rivalry.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThe thing is that money is the most important thing to these two. Otherwise hating the other person is the best reason in my mind for wanting to fight them. Who wouldn't want to be paid to hit someone you hate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tbh, Hopkins just says what everyone here has been saying for months. Adamek, Dawson & Williams are all far greater challenges & names at this stage for his career. That Roy is still fighting is a crying shame. Yes, he beat Sheika & Lacy, but his fall from the fighter he once was is tragic, particularly as there are 'fans' who encourage another of our greats to fight well beyond. It's the same as people who claim that Hatton would beat everyone bar PBF & Pac. Jones dressin up as a pirate is the greatest evidence of how far he has fallen
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
That's the best you can come up with? Weren't people saying if he hyped fights like that in his prime he'd have been even bigger?
That's the best I can come up with??! You really thought that was good promotion?? The fact is Jones can sell himself well, using his mouth, he doesn't need to dress up like a dick to do it. Yes, in his prime he didn't want to do much to promote his fights, but all he had to do was spew off a few minutes worth of stuff similar to that podcast & he woulda been good. Dressing up like a pirate now just makes him look desperate, people would say the same thing if any boxer did that to try & promote a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
That's the best you can come up with? Weren't people saying if he hyped fights like that in his prime he'd have been even bigger?
Desperate ??? Thats a new one.
This can actually be a good one; why boxers cannot be paid 60 for the winner and 40 for the looser in even fights, unifications, etc?? I feel that this is fair, and if a popular boxer does not prepare for the fight and loose, then he will take the pay he deserves. This should also apply for other fights where a boxer who is the clear favorite and now may win 80 or 90, and the opponent 10/20. Then the favorite/popular knows that he has to prepare well or the can loose the big $$$. The winner takes the bigger part, no matter it is 60/40 or 90/10. This will reward fairly boxers that worked hard to win an upset; this would be also a motivation for fighters to be better prepared. This should increase the chances for greater fights and better entertainment.
It is a bit like Hatton v Witter. Ricky hates him so much he does not want him to have a pay day.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieExactly. It's a rivalry.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThe thing is that money is the most important thing to these two. Otherwise hating the other person is the best reason in my mind for wanting to fight them. Who wouldn't want to be paid to hit someone you hate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I used to side with BHop on this but now after actually hearing the conversation between the two instead reading quotes its clear that BHop knows even RJJ at this point doesn't bode well with his style. Saying Dawson or Adamek would be a better fight is useless to counter with because BHop said he would take the RJJ fight if he can get 60% but BHop doesn't want the fight if 60% goes to the winner. He is either very uncertain of himself and/or he just wants to avoid the fight by way of overpricing.
That was worth the listen ;D
Hopkins made himself look like a complete mug. He was on that show to promote Diaz-Powderpuff yet ended up putting the phone down before fully plugging it and his time was up.
Hopkins just showed LEGACY means fuck-all compared to money. If he really wanted to avenge the loss to Jones why not make the fight? The way Hopkins carries on anyone would think he has the win over Jones. :rolleyes:
You can't beat that. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
...have a tournament with all these old fighters let them fight it out and them make them all retire. Hopkins is a guy who out of his last six has lost three, while jones is beating up on omar freakin shieka and others not much better and neither can beat calzaghe. This retarded argument is about 10 years too late. I'd like to see both go away, and take holyfield and james toney with you. Anything other than either of them saying they want to fight dawson is just blah blah blah...
Too right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hopkins looked like a prize prat. Jones is obviously in boxing because he likes it, Hopkins is an old git doing it for pay days. Take the fight BHop, after all if you win you have 60%. :D
But then again, he isn't so sure of himself at all is he now? :-\;);D
Pfft, beating Roy at this point wouldn't do anything for his legacy anyway. Nobody would act like they were really even, like Bernard's win now would be equivalent to Roy's win, and rightfully so, it wouldn't be a big deal.
Beating Adamek for example would do more legacy wise.
And Miles, seriously? Jones is in it for the money. That's exactly why he wants Bernard.
I don't think Hopkins is scared to face Roy again.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesToo right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hopkins looked like a prize prat. Jones is obviously in boxing because he likes it, Hopkins is an old git doing it for pay days. Take the fight BHop, after all if you win you have 60%. :D
But then again, he isn't so sure of himself at all is he now? :-\;);D
I honestly think he would see getting paid MORE than him a bigger victory than actually winning the fight.
Yeah but it would be great if Roy beat him again, i'd be able to read people saying Roy beat Hopkins when he was too green and too old but would have never beat him in his prime :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Its more of a lose-lose for Bernard than it is Roy. Bernard has more options than Roy in general, and the outcome of a second Roy fight could do more to make Bernard look bad than it does good. A loss to a shot Roy, his second loss to Roy would look bad. A win, meh, its a shot Roy and it doesn't make them equal since Roy had the more important win. If Bernard could truly get revenge over Roy it might be different, assuming he cares about that which he probably does, but that's not really the case here.
Bernard is a smart guy, unless this comes out to be clearly more money than he would make somewhere else he'll probably look elsewhere.
Would people really rather see this than Bernard-Adamek, or Bernard-Dawson? Not that I think he'll fight Dawson but you never know.
I don't really see the Hopkins options you see, nor see them as winning options.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Adamak would likely bloody Hopkins for the first time proper and Dawson would or should outwork him.
They are not big money fights for anyone.
Jones Hopkins would actually generate some interest and a little bit of money. And I dont see Hopkins having his own way at all. Hopkins isn't all that at all. Especially at 45. Pretty sad seeing him go on this long really. The whole legend thing is not for me at all, especially having such issues with Taylor and calling out everyone over 170 when they should be at 160.