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Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
I hate this type of threads that I am just writing where we try to put 2 fighters from different eras fighting each other. But, I just could not avoid it since I am watching some Gomez videos and he was amazing at 122. He had 32 wins, all by KO before he had his first loss agaist Salvador Sanchez (at 126) then he was 40 with 40 KOs (1 loss) before his first decision win against Puertorrican Juan Laporte who never visited the canvas. Gomez had a terrific punching power, but he also had amazing movements and speed, and it made me think what could happen if he faced Pacman at that time. I feel like Gomez was going to KO the Pacman, but this certainly could be a fight for history. Comment, if you had seen Gomez figting at his prime.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
It would be a really good fight, Pacman certainly didn't have the skills he does now, but he was a beast around 122. That is the only version of him I see Gomez beating, I don't agree with what you said of Gomez's speed or movement, they are were ok, but he wasn't overly fast. I see the evolved version of Manny(after Morales 2) picking Gomez apart because he would be too quick and his in and out movement too good, but before that I see Gomez winning more often than not, Manny just didn't have enough dimensions to his game, and he was too easy to hit when facing a guy who can punch like W. Gomez.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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Taeth
It would be a really good fight, Pacman certainly didn't have the skills he does now, but he was a beast around 122. That is the only version of him I see Gomez beating, I don't agree with what you said of Gomez's speed or movement, they are were ok, but he wasn't overly fast. I see the evolved version of Manny(after Morales 2) picking Gomez apart because he would be too quick and his in and out movement too good, but before that I see Gomez winning more often than not, Manny just didn't have enough dimensions to his game, and he was too easy to hit when facing a guy who can punch like W. Gomez.
Gomez had amazing foot work, great lateral movements. Something I liked is that when he had his opponent hurt he still was attacking from angles to destroy it. Not the type of hand speed like a Floyd, but great lateral movements, not to mention his deadly body attack. This is the type of fight that could be remembered for ever due to the type of boxers they are (Gomez was). I certainly feel lot of respect for both of them.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
Gomez lays him the fukk out
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
Pac by KO rd 3!! Easy fight for Pac.
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Pac by KO rd 3!! Easy fight for Pac.
Gomez had trouble with long rangy fighters, something Pacquiao isn't, and if Manny was wobbled by Larios, Gomez would of left him laid out on the floor, only one sided beatings Gomez took were against Sanchez (who would have killed Pac as well) and Nelson, to say that one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing would of been no challenge to Pacquiao is a joke, Gomez would of rocked Manny badly in the 2nd and had him out by the next round
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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Pac by KO rd 3!! Easy fight for Pac.
Gomez had trouble with long rangy fighters, something Pacquiao isn't, and if Manny was wobbled by Larios, Gomez would of left him laid out on the floor, only one sided beatings Gomez took were against Sanchez (who would have killed Pac as well) and Nelson, to say that one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing would of been no challenge to Pacquiao is a joke, Gomez would of rocked Manny badly in the 2nd and had him out by the next round
Pac beat Diaz, DLH & Hatton from the outside. Nobody survive Pac from the inside. When Gomez moved up a class he's been Koed left & right.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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Pacdbest2
Pac by KO rd 3!! Easy fight for Pac.
Gomez had trouble with long rangy fighters, something Pacquiao isn't, and if Manny was wobbled by Larios, Gomez would of left him laid out on the floor, only one sided beatings Gomez took were against Sanchez (who would have killed Pac as well) and Nelson, to say that one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing would of been no challenge to Pacquiao is a joke, Gomez would of rocked Manny badly in the 2nd and had him out by the next round
Pac beat Diaz, DLH & Hatton from the outside. Nobody survive Pac from the inside.
When Gomez moved up a class he's been Koed left & right.
are you seriously trying to compare WILFREDO GOMEZ to David Diaz, a shot weight drained DLH, and Hatton of all people?
and the bolded proves you're a moron, he was still undefeated after KO'ing the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Carlos Zarate, then after his loss to ATG Sanchez he beat another ATG in Lupe Pintor, and Juan LaPorte, lost to ATG Azumah Nelson, and basically another meaningful win over Rocky Lockridge
Gomez, Zarate, Sanchez, Pintor, and Nelson IMO would have all beaten the Pacquiao that fought at 122-130
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Gomez had trouble with long rangy fighters, something Pacquiao isn't, and if Manny was wobbled by Larios, Gomez would of left him laid out on the floor, only one sided beatings Gomez took were against Sanchez (who would have killed Pac as well) and Nelson, to say that one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing would of been no challenge to Pacquiao is a joke, Gomez would of rocked Manny badly in the 2nd and had him out by the next round
Pac beat Diaz, DLH & Hatton from the outside. Nobody survive Pac from the inside.
When Gomez moved up a class he's been Koed left & right.
are you seriously trying to compare WILFREDO GOMEZ to David Diaz, a shot weight drained DLH, and Hatton of all people?
and the bolded proves you're a moron, he was still undefeated after KO'ing the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Carlos Zarate, then after his loss to ATG Sanchez he beat another ATG in Lupe Pintor, and Juan LaPorte, lost to ATG Azumah Nelson, and basically another meaningful win over Rocky Lockridge
Gomez, Zarate, Sanchez, Pintor, and Nelson IMO would have all beaten the Pacquiao that fought at 122-130
Style wise Gomez was like Diaz & hatton. The come forward brawler. Just the right style to make Pac spectacular. Pac has problem only with technical counter-puncher like JMM. Don't tell me Gomez style resembles JMM?
Don't call me Moron coz it doesn't applies to me. Do you want me to show you the High Profile fights I've Predicted accurately???
And don't mentioned those little names with Pac name. The only name there that you can closely compare to Pac is Sanchez. But Pac is way ahead now. Let's talk Pac against the Duran, SRR & Armstrong coz that's where Pac belongs now.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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Pac beat Diaz, DLH & Hatton from the outside. Nobody survive Pac from the inside. When Gomez moved up a class he's been Koed left & right.
are you seriously trying to compare WILFREDO GOMEZ to David Diaz, a shot weight drained DLH, and Hatton of all people?
and the bolded proves you're a moron, he was still undefeated after KO'ing the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Carlos Zarate, then after his loss to ATG Sanchez he beat another ATG in Lupe Pintor, and Juan LaPorte, lost to ATG Azumah Nelson, and basically another meaningful win over Rocky Lockridge
Gomez, Zarate, Sanchez, Pintor, and Nelson IMO would have all beaten the Pacquiao that fought at 122-130
Style wise Gomez was like Diaz & hatton. The come forward brawler. Just the right style to make Pac spectacular. Pac has problem only with technical counter-puncher like JMM. Don't tell me Gomez style resembles JMM?
Don't call me Moron coz it doesn't applies to me. Do you want me to show you the High Profile fights I've Predicted accurately???
And don't mentioned those little names with Pac name. The only name there that you can closely compare to Pac is Sanchez. But Pac is way ahead now.
Let's talk Pac against the Duran, SRR & Armstrong coz that's where Pac belongs now.
like hell he does.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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ElTerribleMorales
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Pac beat Diaz, DLH & Hatton from the outside. Nobody survive Pac from the inside. When Gomez moved up a class he's been Koed left & right.
are you seriously trying to compare WILFREDO GOMEZ to David Diaz, a shot weight drained DLH, and Hatton of all people?
and the bolded proves you're a moron, he was still undefeated after KO'ing the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Carlos Zarate, then after his loss to ATG Sanchez he beat another ATG in Lupe Pintor, and Juan LaPorte, lost to ATG Azumah Nelson, and basically another meaningful win over Rocky Lockridge
Gomez, Zarate, Sanchez, Pintor, and Nelson IMO would have all beaten the Pacquiao that fought at 122-130
Style wise Gomez was like Diaz & hatton. The come forward brawler. Just the right style to make Pac spectacular. Pac has problem only with technical counter-puncher like JMM. Don't tell me Gomez style resembles JMM?
Don't call me Moron coz it doesn't applies to me. Do you want me to show you the High Profile fights I've Predicted accurately???
And don't mentioned those little names with Pac name. The only name there that you can closely compare to Pac is Sanchez. But Pac is way ahead now.
Let's talk Pac against the Duran, SRR & Armstrong coz that's where Pac belongs now.
:LOLATYOU:
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
interesting fantasy fight
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
Wilfredo Gomez lays him out especially at 122, where Wilfredo Gomez never lost. He had underrated boxing skills/upper body movement. Aswell as unreal power for such a little guy, people remember Wilfredo Gomez too much for his losses above Super Bantamweight.
Im not saying he wasn't good at the higher weightclasses, because he was. But Super Bantamweight was where he belonged, and he beat some very good boxers at that weightclass. Aswell as some big punchers.
I really can't see Manny Pacquiao lasting with Wilfredo Gomez's power, and especially since Manny Pacquiao was very one dimensional at 122. And even if this took place at Featherweight, Manny Pacquiao was still one dimensional, and he would be KO'ed and brutally aswell.
I don't think Manny Pacquiao has a solid chin by any means, i think he has great recovery powers. But a solid chin i don't think he has, similar to JMM i don't think he has a solid chin either but he has great recovery powers.
But those great recovery powers wouldn't work, against someone like Wilfredo Gomez who only needs 1 clean punch and the fights over.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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ElTerribleMorales
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Pacdbest2
Pac beat Diaz, DLH & Hatton from the outside. Nobody survive Pac from the inside. When Gomez moved up a class he's been Koed left & right.
are you seriously trying to compare WILFREDO GOMEZ to David Diaz, a shot weight drained DLH, and Hatton of all people?
and the bolded proves you're a moron, he was still undefeated after KO'ing the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Carlos Zarate, then after his loss to ATG Sanchez he beat another ATG in Lupe Pintor, and Juan LaPorte, lost to ATG Azumah Nelson, and basically another meaningful win over Rocky Lockridge
Gomez, Zarate, Sanchez, Pintor, and Nelson IMO would have all beaten the Pacquiao that fought at 122-130
Style wise Gomez was like Diaz & hatton. The come forward brawler. Just the right style to make Pac spectacular. Pac has problem only with technical counter-puncher like JMM. Don't tell me Gomez style resembles JMM?
Don't call me Moron coz it doesn't applies to me. Do you want me to show you the High Profile fights I've Predicted accurately???
And don't mentioned those little names with Pac name. The only name there that you can closely compare to Pac is Sanchez. But Pac is way ahead now. Let's talk Pac against the Duran, SRR & Armstrong coz that's where Pac belongs now.
Wilfredo Gomez is nothing like Ricky Hatton, David Diaz. Are you out of your frigging mind ? Wilfredo Gomez had some very nice skill sets. He wasn't just a come-forward brawler at all.
And to even compare a great fighter like Wilfredo Gomez, to Ricky Hatton is laughable. But to David Diaz ? what are you taking ? seriously.
You really are clueless about Wilfredo Gomez, he wasn't at his best at Featherweight. And Manny Pacquiao is nothing like Salvador Sanchez at Featherweight, he was one dimensional. And infact even now Manny Pacquiao is nothing like Salvador Sanchez.
Try watching Wilfredo Gomez at Super Bantamweight, instead of just his one fight against Salvador Sanchez. And from what i heard Wilfredo Gomez, didn't even really train for the Salvador Sanchez fight. Which is why he wanted the rematch so badly but sadly Salvador Sanchez died.
You haven't got a clue about Wilfredo Gomez, he was amazing at Super Bantamweight. He was wasn't as good at the higher weightclasses. But jesus i don't think Manny Pacquiao would beat Azumah Nelson, Salvador Sanchez at Featherweight either.
The way you make that sound is like thats disappointing, that he got KO'ed by fighters like Azumah Nelson, Salvador Sanchez. When the fact is he wasn't even at his best at the higher weightclasses, and he boxed very well against Azumah Nelson, until he got caught late on. And he was doing well vs Salvador Sanchez aswell, despite a bad start.
And he was past his prime against Azumah Nelson, and he didn't even train properly against Salvador Sanchez. Plus how frigging great are those fighters ?
Lastly he managed to comeback and beat Rocky Lockridge, a fighter who almost beat a prime JCC.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
Are we really comparing Gomez with Diaz or Hatton :-\ Gomez had an impressive KO punch, but he was not a just come forward figther. He had great foot and upper body movements, not to mention a terrific body attack. As some people is saying he lost to guys like Sanchez and Nelson, who cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence than Diaz. These are among the all time greatest fighters.
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Are we really comparing Gomez with Diaz or Hatton :-\ Gomez had an impressive KO punch, but he was not a just come forward figther. He had great foot and upper body movements, not to mention a terrific body attack. As some people is saying he lost to guys like Sanchez and Nelson, who cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence than Diaz. These are among the all time greatest fighters.
We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!
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Puerto Rican Punch
Are we really comparing Gomez with Diaz or Hatton :-\ Gomez had an impressive KO punch, but he was not a just come forward figther. He had great foot and upper body movements, not to mention a terrific body attack. As some people is saying he lost to guys like Sanchez and Nelson, who cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence than Diaz. These are among the all time greatest fighters.
We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!
I don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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Pacdbest2
Pac by KO rd 3!! Easy fight for Pac.
Gomez had trouble with long rangy fighters, something Pacquiao isn't, and if Manny was wobbled by Larios, Gomez would of left him laid out on the floor, only one sided beatings Gomez took were against Sanchez (who would have killed Pac as well) and Nelson, to say that one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing would of been no challenge to Pacquiao is a joke, Gomez would of rocked Manny badly in the 2nd and had him out by the next round
You keep on bringing up Larios, but how come Barrera, Morales and JMM weren't able to take Pacquiao out? Or Oscar De La hoya or Hatton... p4p all time Pacquiao will rank higher than Sanchez, Gomez, and Nelson. You also forget that Pacquiao is one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing at the lower weights, once he started knocking guys out, he was knocking everyone out until he went up to 126-130ish.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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Are we really comparing Gomez with Diaz or Hatton :-\ Gomez had an impressive KO punch, but he was not a just come forward figther. He had great foot and upper body movements, not to mention a terrific body attack. As some people is saying he lost to guys like Sanchez and Nelson, who cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence than Diaz. These are among the all time greatest fighters.
We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!
I don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.
Sorry ICB, but how is Manny one dimensional? The same way Miguel Cotto and JMM are? Pacquiao can box, brawl, fight forwards and backwards, he is getting hard to hit, he has great movement, speed, power, and a really good chin.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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It would be a really good fight, Pacman certainly didn't have the skills he does now, but he was a beast around 122. That is the only version of him I see Gomez beating, I don't agree with what you said of Gomez's speed or movement, they are were ok, but he wasn't overly fast. I see the evolved version of Manny(after Morales 2) picking Gomez apart because he would be too quick and his in and out movement too good, but before that I see Gomez winning more often than not, Manny just didn't have enough dimensions to his game, and he was too easy to hit when facing a guy who can punch like W. Gomez.
Gomez had amazing foot work, great lateral movements. Something I liked is that when he had his opponent hurt he still was attacking from angles to destroy it. Not the type of hand speed like a Floyd, but great lateral movements, not to mention his deadly body attack. This is the type of fight that could be remembered for ever due to the type of boxers they are (Gomez was). I certainly feel lot of respect for both of them.
Gomez had alright movement, but you can't compare his footwork to the greats he didn't move like Leonard, Ali, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Mayweather, etc., nor did he have the great in and out movement of prime Tyson, Calzaghe, Hagler, Duran, JMM, and yes Manny pacquiao.
Also people aren't giving the 122 pound Pacquiao enough credit, he was pretty one-dimensional, but he moved up and kicked Barrera's ass with that style, and gave Morales and JMM both all they could handle in their fights. His determination, speed, and heavyhands was enough to take on anyone. I mean all three of these mexicans are all heavy handed and were naturally bigger than Manny at that point in his career, and he still withstood their power fine, while Gomez was stopped by similar levels of competition. I rank Barrera, JMM, and Morales right up there with Sanchez and JCC, and above Azumah Nelson for sure.
To say the 122-126 pound version of manny would be out of his league, is just an example of the continual disrespect he gets on here because there are other retards who think he is a god. I think Gomez beats him more often than not, before Manny learns how to really fight, but it would be a really close fight everytime, and if either of them were to dominate a fight it would be Manny.
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ICB
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Are we really comparing Gomez with Diaz or Hatton :-\ Gomez had an impressive KO punch, but he was not a just come forward figther. He had great foot and upper body movements, not to mention a terrific body attack. As some people is saying he lost to guys like Sanchez and Nelson, who cannot even be mentioned in the same sentence than Diaz. These are among the all time greatest fighters.
We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!
I don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.
Gomez power was good only at 122. Pac was Good from 122-147. Remember that all Pac wins at 122 were all KO also. The only guy he never Ko was the Dirty Sanchez coz the fights was stopped because of the cut.
Gomez was Koed a number of times when he moved up in weight. Pac gets stronger & sturdier as he move up. Pac next opponent Cotto is the Supersized version of Gomez. He'll show you in November how it's done. I'll rebadge Pac's Monicker from Mexicutioner to Boriquacutioner come Nov 14th.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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Taeth
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Taeth
It would be a really good fight, Pacman certainly didn't have the skills he does now, but he was a beast around 122. That is the only version of him I see Gomez beating, I don't agree with what you said of Gomez's speed or movement, they are were ok, but he wasn't overly fast. I see the evolved version of Manny(after Morales 2) picking Gomez apart because he would be too quick and his in and out movement too good, but before that I see Gomez winning more often than not, Manny just didn't have enough dimensions to his game, and he was too easy to hit when facing a guy who can punch like W. Gomez.
Gomez had amazing foot work, great lateral movements. Something I liked is that when he had his opponent hurt he still was attacking from angles to destroy it. Not the type of hand speed like a Floyd, but great lateral movements, not to mention his deadly body attack. This is the type of fight that could be remembered for ever due to the type of boxers they are (Gomez was). I certainly feel lot of respect for both of them.
Gomez had alright movement, but you can't compare his footwork to the greats he didn't move like Leonard, Ali, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Mayweather, etc., nor did he have the great in and out movement of prime Tyson, Calzaghe, Hagler, Duran, JMM, and yes Manny pacquiao.
Also people aren't giving the 122 pound Pacquiao enough credit, he was pretty one-dimensional, but he moved up and kicked Barrera's ass with that style, and gave Morales and JMM both all they could handle in their fights. His determination, speed, and heavyhands was enough to take on anyone. I mean all three of these mexicans are all heavy handed and were naturally bigger than Manny at that point in his career, and he still withstood their power fine, while Gomez was stopped by similar levels of competition. I rank Barrera, JMM, and Morales right up there with Sanchez and JCC, and above Azumah Nelson for sure.
To say the 122-126 pound version of manny would be out of his league, is just an example of the continual disrespect he gets on here because there are other retards who think he is a god. I think Gomez beats him more often than not, before Manny learns how to really fight, but it would be a really close fight everytime, and if either of them were to dominate a fight it would be Manny.
Well said Taeth.
This is the reason why I hate comparing boxers from different eras. You'll argue to the death and no one actually wins the debate.
If there's one good thing that comes out from this debate, it's the fact that you can distinguish people here who have solid knowledge in boxing and those who has nothing to say ( including but not limited to VD-type of posters who will immediately burst out nonsensical one-liners).
ICB made some points but then again scrutinizing his arguments would only aggravate the situation as his arguments are based on fights which he had mostly seen probably from youtube clips. No offense meant ICB but when you immediately discounted Pac's chances of winning against Gomez, it means that you haven't actually seen Pac's fights at the lower weights.
Again, I shall rest my case by not engaging in this futile what-if scenario.:cool:
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We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!
I don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.
Gomez power was good only at 122. Pac was Good from 122-147. Remember that all Pac wins at 122 were all KO also. The only guy he never Ko was the Dirty Sanchez coz the fights was stopped because of the cut.
Gomez was Koed a number of times when he moved up in weight. Pac gets stronger & sturdier as he move up. Pac next opponent Cotto is the Supersized version of Gomez. He'll show you in November how it's done. I'll rebadge Pac's Monicker from Mexicutioner to Boriquacutioner come Nov 14th.
See again your talking like you haven't a clue about Wilfredo Gomez, i already told you he was KO'ed by Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson. Would a Featherweight version of Manny Pacquiao, beat either of those 2 ? i think not.
And i already told you the cirumstances, surronding those 2 fights, and how great they are. Yet you totally ignore my comment, and just keep stating Wilfredo Gomez was KO'ed a number of times at Featherweight.
When he was only stopped twice by arguably, two of the finest Featherweights in atleast a good 50 years or so. And the Alfredo Layne fight does not count, because he was long gone by then.
Be honest you have hardly seen any of Wilfredo Gomez fights, you really lose any credibility when you compare. Wilfredo Gomez to David Diaz, Ricky Hatton. Which is absolute ridiculous, and anyone who knows anything about Wilfredo Gomez would call you an idiot.
But i'll just say your seriously reaching, which you are because you have limited. Knowledge on Wilfredo Gomez, and again Wilfredo Gomez is nothing like Miguel Cotto either. And i don't see what he has to do with this debate either.
Wilfredo Gomez had good upper body movement. And had some very good boxing skills, along with his great power. And i don't think anyone who has watched Wilfredo Gomez, would consider him just a come-forawrd brawler. And when you state that it really leaves me with my mouth wide open.
Manny Pacquiao has never really shown, one punch KO power. Except in the Ricky Hatton fight, he has always mostly had to beat down an opponent with an accumulation of punishment to stop an opponent.
Lastly you say Wilfredo Gomez's power was only at Super Bantamweight, and you look at his record and see he had decision wins over fighters like Rocky Lockridge, but let me tell you something now fighters like Juan La Porte, Rocky Lockridge, Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, had granite chins if Wilfredo Gomez would of stopped them it of been considered a shock.
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Gomez had amazing foot work, great lateral movements. Something I liked is that when he had his opponent hurt he still was attacking from angles to destroy it. Not the type of hand speed like a Floyd, but great lateral movements, not to mention his deadly body attack. This is the type of fight that could be remembered for ever due to the type of boxers they are (Gomez was). I certainly feel lot of respect for both of them.
Gomez had alright movement, but you can't compare his footwork to the greats he didn't move like Leonard, Ali, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Mayweather, etc., nor did he have the great in and out movement of prime Tyson, Calzaghe, Hagler, Duran, JMM, and yes Manny pacquiao.
Also people aren't giving the 122 pound Pacquiao enough credit, he was pretty one-dimensional, but he moved up and kicked Barrera's ass with that style, and gave Morales and JMM both all they could handle in their fights. His determination, speed, and heavyhands was enough to take on anyone. I mean all three of these mexicans are all heavy handed and were naturally bigger than Manny at that point in his career, and he still withstood their power fine, while Gomez was stopped by similar levels of competition. I rank Barrera, JMM, and Morales right up there with Sanchez and JCC, and above Azumah Nelson for sure.
To say the 122-126 pound version of manny would be out of his league, is just an example of the continual disrespect he gets on here because there are other retards who think he is a god. I think Gomez beats him more often than not, before Manny learns how to really fight, but it would be a really close fight everytime, and if either of them were to dominate a fight it would be Manny.
Well said Taeth.
This is the reason why I hate comparing boxers from different eras. You'll argue to the death and no one actually wins the debate.
If there's one good thing that comes out from this debate, it's the fact that you can distinguish people here who have solid knowledge in boxing and those who has nothing to say ( including but not limited to VD-type of posters who will immediately burst out nonsensical one-liners).
ICB made some points but then again scrutinizing his arguments would only aggravate the situation as his arguments are based on fights which he had mostly seen probably from youtube clips. No offense meant ICB but when you immediately discounted Pac's chances of winning against Gomez, it means that you haven't actually seen Pac's fights at the lower weights.
Again, I shall rest my case by not engaging in this futile what-if scenario.:cool:
Bruce are you seriously questioning my boxing knowledge ? when i have proven in the past i have more knowledge. Than you on boxing, i've seen countless Manny Pacquiao fights. And i've seen all of his Super Bantamweight fights, and his Featherweight fights. All the way up to his last 11 fights.
Its you who doesn't know much about Wilfredo Gomez, i have seen pretty much all of Wilfredo Gomez's fights at Super Bantamweight. Aswell as his fights at the higher weightclasses, i doubt you have seen many of his fights.
All i was saying is that Manny Pacquiao, was still one dimensional at the lower weightclasses. Which he was you can't honestly tell me, that Manny Pacquiao was the fighter he was at the higher weightclasses, the Manny Pacquiao of today would of destroyed the younger Manny Pacquiao P4P.
And im sorry but i don't think a one dimensional, Manny Pacquiao at Super Bantamweight, Featherweight. Would be able to handle Wilfredo Gomez's power.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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We're talking about How Gomez will survive Pac!!! Not Survive Diaz or hatton!!!!
I don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.
Sorry ICB, but how is Manny one dimensional? The same way Miguel Cotto and JMM are? Pacquiao can box, brawl, fight forwards and backwards, he is getting hard to hit, he has great movement, speed, power, and a really good chin.
We are talking about the Manny Pacquiao, at Super Bantamweight, Featherweight, here. Which is where this fight would take place. Were not on about the Manny Pacquiao of today, im not calling the Manny Pacquiao of today one dimensional.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
When Gomez moved up in weight to challenge Sanchez, et. al. he didn't demand any catchweights either or demand any other weight restrictions. He took on the challenge like a true warrior.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
at super-bantam gomez is unbeatable he beats pac .but at feather and super-feather pac wins by stoppage
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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I don't know how a one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, survives the punching power of Wilfredo Gomez.
Sorry ICB, but how is Manny one dimensional? The same way Miguel Cotto and JMM are? Pacquiao can box, brawl, fight forwards and backwards, he is getting hard to hit, he has great movement, speed, power, and a really good chin.
We are talking about the Manny Pacquiao, at Super Bantamweight, Featherweight, here. Which is where this fight would take place. Were not on about the Manny Pacquiao of today, im not calling the Manny Pacquiao of today one dimensional.
Ok, that makes sense, but you can't say that Manny isn't/wasn't extremely effective at 122/126 because he was, and he would have been a great opponent for Gomez. I honestly think he would also give Sanchez and Azumah Nelson all they could handle if not more, they aren't any better than Barrera and company. I think they wouldn't have the power to stop Pacquiao like Gomez would, and that would play a huge factor, but then again they could also take a lot more punishment than Gomez.
As for the person who said Gomez didn't ahve power above 122? Where is the proof of that? He didn't have the blinding speed to move like Pacman did which is the main reason for Manny's success at the higher weights. Nor did Gomez imo have Manny's chin. I just think Manny has adapted the right style to fight bigger guys and he properly uses his attributes. Because he uses so much movement and he has such quick feet he can avoid on coming damage against bigger slower guys that other guys like JMM who are at his level couldn't.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
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When Gomez moved up in weight to challenge Sanchez, et. al. he didn't demand any catchweights either or demand any other weight restrictions. He took on the challenge like a true warrior.
Manny has had one catch weight fight, he went up to face Barrera, Morales, Hatton, De La Hoya, etc.
The Miguel Cotto fight is the first fight he has done at a catch weight where Miguel has to lose two more pounds than usual? One more pound than his last fight?
Gomez, along with a lot of other greats, wouldn't even dreamed of acclompishing what Manny has done in terms of the success he has had at higher weights.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
Gomez would convincingly beat him. Maybe even stop him. Lotta ppl forget that Gomez at 122 is one of the best boxer ever, period.
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Gomez didn't have good KO power at 122, he had incredible punching power regardless his weight, he's one of the hardest punchers of all time, and yes, Pacquiao was one sided at 122, whoever says different is blinded by their love for him, or have forgotten that he has not always been the fighter that he is today, so the Pacquiao that fought at 122 would have gotten KTFO if he would have tried to trade with Gomez, which he would have cause that's the only way he knew how to fight at that weight, and yea Taeth all 3 you mentioned managed to wobble Pacquiao (Morales, Barrera, and Marquez), Gomez wouldn't of wobbled him, he would of turned his lights out
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Gomez would convincingly beat him. Maybe even stop him. Lotta ppl forget that Gomez at 122 is one of the best boxer ever, period.
Hatton also was undefeated at 140 for 40+ fights. Pac takes him only in 2 rds. Gomez was forgettable coz He was not the top fighter in his generation. Sanchez is the one. But Sanchez also was cut short, He only fights at 126.
If there's no Manny Pacquiao, Barrera & Morales could've equaled Sanchez's Greatness. Remember Erik's Iron Jaw at 122-126??? Pac was the one to Cracked that at 130.
So please stop Gloryfying your Chinny Chinned Boriqua Hero. He doesn't passed the requirement that is required to Make him Last 12 rds with the Pacman.
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Gomez would convincingly beat him. Maybe even stop him. Lotta ppl forget that Gomez at 122 is one of the best boxer ever, period.
Hatton also was undefeated at 140 for 40+ fights. Pac takes him only in 2 rds. Gomez was forgettable coz He was not the top fighter in his generation. Sanchez is the one. But Sanchez also was cut short, He only fights at 126.
If there's no Manny Pacquiao, Barrera & Morales could've equaled Sanchez's Greatness. Remember Erik's Iron Jaw at 122-126??? Pac was the one to Cracked that at 130.
So please stop Gloryfying your Chinny Chinned Boriqua Hero. He doesn't passed the requirement that is required to Make him Last 12 rds with the Pacman.
:confused: I can't believe you just compared Ricky Hatton to Gomez. I'm not Puerto Rican by the way. Pacquiao at 122 isn't even the fighter he is now although he demolished a good boxer in Ledwaba.
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Gomez would convincingly beat him. Maybe even stop him. Lotta ppl forget that Gomez at 122 is one of the best boxer ever, period.
Hatton also was undefeated at 140 for 40+ fights. Pac takes him only in 2 rds. Gomez was forgettable coz He was not the top fighter in his generation. Sanchez is the one. But Sanchez also was cut short, He only fights at 126.
If there's no Manny Pacquiao, Barrera & Morales could've equaled Sanchez's Greatness. Remember Erik's Iron Jaw at 122-126??? Pac was the one to Cracked that at 130.
So please stop Gloryfying your Chinny Chinned Boriqua Hero. He doesn't passed the requirement that is required to Make him Last 12 rds with the Pacman.
:confused: I can't believe you just compared Ricky Hatton to Gomez. I'm not Puerto Rican by the way. Pacquiao at 122 isn't even the fighter he is now although he demolished a good boxer in Ledwaba.
Has Gomez ever been KOed??? Has Pac KOed all his 122 lbs opponents except for Dirty Sanchez???
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Hatton also was undefeated at 140 for 40+ fights. Pac takes him only in 2 rds. Gomez was forgettable coz He was not the top fighter in his generation. Sanchez is the one. But Sanchez also was cut short, He only fights at 126.
If there's no Manny Pacquiao, Barrera & Morales could've equaled Sanchez's Greatness. Remember Erik's Iron Jaw at 122-126??? Pac was the one to Cracked that at 130.
So please stop Gloryfying your Chinny Chinned Boriqua Hero. He doesn't passed the requirement that is required to Make him Last 12 rds with the Pacman.
:confused: I can't believe you just compared Ricky Hatton to Gomez. I'm not Puerto Rican by the way. Pacquiao at 122 isn't even the fighter he is now although he demolished a good boxer in Ledwaba.
Has Gomez ever been KOed??? Has Pac KOed all his 122 lbs opponents except for Dirty Sanchez???
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Hatton also was undefeated at 140 for 40+ fights. Pac takes him only in 2 rds. Gomez was forgettable coz He was not the top fighter in his generation. Sanchez is the one. But Sanchez also was cut short, He only fights at 126.
If there's no Manny Pacquiao, Barrera & Morales could've equaled Sanchez's Greatness. Remember Erik's Iron Jaw at 122-126??? Pac was the one to Cracked that at 130.
So please stop Gloryfying your Chinny Chinned Boriqua Hero. He doesn't passed the requirement that is required to Make him Last 12 rds with the Pacman.
:confused: I can't believe you just compared Ricky Hatton to Gomez. I'm not Puerto Rican by the way. Pacquiao at 122 isn't even the fighter he is now although he demolished a good boxer in Ledwaba.
Has Gomez ever been KOed??? Has Pac KOed all his 122 lbs opponents except for Dirty Sanchez???
Have you ever briefly removed yourself from Pac's nuts :confused::confused:
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
The thing with hypothetical/mythical matchups are that there are no right or wrong answers just subjective opinion. The people that are for Gomez are saying that people who sided with Pac are stupid in this matchup.
Unless you can come up with a time machine and have them fight at that particular time I don't think you can adamantly say one guy can beat the other guy up and call that as fact.
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Gomez would convincingly beat him. Maybe even stop him. Lotta ppl forget that Gomez at 122 is one of the best boxer ever, period.
Hatton also was undefeated at 140 for 40+ fights. Pac takes him only in 2 rds. Gomez was forgettable coz He was not the top fighter in his generation. Sanchez is the one. But Sanchez also was cut short, He only fights at 126.
If there's no Manny Pacquiao, Barrera & Morales could've equaled Sanchez's Greatness. Remember Erik's Iron Jaw at 122-126??? Pac was the one to Cracked that at 130.
So please stop Gloryfying your Chinny Chinned Boriqua Hero. He doesn't passed the requirement that is required to Make him Last 12 rds with the Pacman.
:confused: I can't believe you just compared Ricky Hatton to Gomez. I'm not Puerto Rican by the way. Pacquiao at 122 isn't even the fighter he is now although he demolished a good boxer in Ledwaba.
Im not even going to bother, to reply to that guy anymore. Its clear he's never seen Wilfredo Gomez fight and its clear he knows nothing about Wilfredo Gomez. Otherwise he wouldn't come out with such a ridiculous comparison.
I actually just laughed when he said about Erik Morales, considering how shot Erik Morales was. I watched Zahir Raheem vs Erik Morales again recently, and couldn't believe how bad Erik Morales was in that fight.
And how much Erik Morales was getting shook up, by a mediocre puncher like Zahir Raheem. Erik Morales pretty much lost every round, it was an embarrassing loss and he was clearly finished.
His last great performance was against Manny Pacquiao, in there 1st meeting and he still wasn't at his 100 percent best there either. But he was clearly done after the Zahir Raheem loss.
Im sorry but i do think Manny Pacquiao, is a bit overrated on this board. I think he is a great fighter but he clearly has been a bit lucky. When he met certain fighters.
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Re: Wilfredo Gomez vs Pacman
By the way the Manny Pacquiao nut hugger, mentioned Manny Pacquiao stopped all of his opponents at 122 except Agapito Sanchez. Well Wilfredo Gomez had a 100 percent KO record at Super Bantamweight, not including his pro debut draw which he revenged. And he also had 18 title fights at Super Bantamweight stopping all 18. His overall record at Super Bantamweight was 40 wins, 40 ko's, 1 draw. I believe unless im slightly out.
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By the way the Manny Pacquiao nut hugger, mentioned Manny Pacquiao stopped all of his opponents at 122 except Agapito Sanchez. Well Wilfredo Gomez had a 100 percent KO record at Super Bantamweight, not including his pro debut draw which he revenged. And he also had 18 title fights at Super Bantamweight stopping all 18. His overall record at Super Bantamweight was 40 wins, 40 ko's, 1 draw. I believe unless im slightly out.
and he was never stopped before the 8th, unlike a certain glass belly pinoy who was stopped twice before the end of the 3rd round, and dunno where some guys get off saying Gomez was chinny, all 3 stoppage losses came after taking loads of punishment, like my dad always says to best describe his fight against Sanchez, "entro boricua, salio chino" literally translates to "he went in boricua and came out chinese" mainly to the fact that his swelling was so bad from the punches he took, yet the oh so great Pacquiao folded after body shots at 108 :-X, Pacquiao now is a great fighter, but at 122 he was far from it, even today's Pacquiao is far from being a perfect fighter
