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Ive got this feeling Cotto is going to burst the Pacquiao bubble i see him stopping Pacquiao early or late but definately stopping him if Cotto can stand up to being hit in face by building bricks from Margarito for 11 rounds he can take Pac's shot. I like Pac i just think he's going to lose this one Cotto is going to be a lot harder than both Hatton and the weight drained De La Hoya.
Agree, I have said a few times, the first person who will be hitting Pac back after 5 rounds takes him. He has had an easy last few fights and runs out of ideas if the big left doesn't do it for him. Gonna hang it out there but I go for Cotto 7 round TKO .
I'm with you! I don't think Cotto is as much on the slide as some are insinuating. I'm not ready to predict how he wins just yet but I definitely feel it will be a Cotto victory!!!
As i say i like Pac but looking back the win over David Diaz was always going to be a win win fight for Pac then De La Hoya was beyond weight drained being rehydrated via intra venus then was Hatton shot to pieces after Mayweather?? he looked rubbish against Lazcano but good against Mallinaggi but was that because he has no power are we getting caught up in Pac hype and is this the real 140+ lbs test just a thought.
I'm absolutely convinced of this. Cotto is ging to stop Manny Pac for sure and finally force PBF into a true welterweight clash for once..... Cotto to win inside 8 rounds....
I agree to a degree about Pacs wins over Diaz, DLH & Hatton but they were impressive non the less. He did what was expected against Diaz but it was still a superb performance! He exceeded many peoples expectations against DLH although not at his best was still given the worst beating of his career & yes Hatton didn't look great against Lazcano but he was still undefeated at 140 & was annihilated!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
In saying that though I feel Cotto is just a whole different best, loss to Margarito is now questionable, & Mosley & Clottey would give anyone fits! imo Pacquiao has bitten of more than he can chew with Cotto, but that just shows what a great fighter he is to step up to such risky challenges!
I agree. Cotto will beat Pacquiao. Pacquiao and Marquez are great fighters but not big enough for a true welterweight.
IMO Cotto has lost something since Marg, expecially confidence wise. Proved against Clottey he still had the balls when he carried on even with the possibility of an early night via TD, but he just seems a bit more indecisive and hesitant.
Still, some people have gone way overboard after the Hatton KO about Pac's power, seeming to forget that he pummeled a drained Oscar for 8 rounds without dropping him, and a little longer even to take out the lightweight Diaz. Pac's best chance is by decision.
Yep, I'm going for Cotto by stoppage. Probably body shots
Pacquiao has power though and Cotto can be hit. Other than the Margarito fight, Cotto just seems to eek out wins in tough fights. You must be good if you can beat Mosley, Clottey, Judah, Paulie, and Quintana. Cotto will show why Pacquiao needs to stay at 140 to continue his winning streak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
i'll go on record and say i have no fucking idea anymore... sometimes i think Pac's speed and power could cause Cotto fits.
than i think Pac did get hurt ((if only for a second)) against Hatton and Cotto hits alot harder than Hatton, so if he catches him its game over.
its gonna be a fantastic well matched fight this one and i can't wait.
as for Mayweather he done great against the old small Marquez over the weekend but didn't answer much for me apart from the fact he outboxed a guy who outboxed Pac.
all in all at this point in time its looking very good for Mayweather as i sadly :-X can't see anyone beating him.
Thats exactly what I had Saddo. Meaningful shots from Cotto will bowl Pac over I think....Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
...at least nobody who he is willing to fight ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
No he does not. Pacquiao beats Cotto. And I'm willing to have a one month sig bet.
You need to watch the fight again. Pacquiao was off balance. I'm a big Hatton fan but he never hurt Manny once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Ive just been thinking Hatton did stun Pac for a second so if Cotto connects it could be thank you and good night but also Zab Judah with his speed and power stunned Cotto a few times.
I'm up for that if you don't have any preferred takers!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Your from Manchester. I'm from Liverpool. That means victory will be even sweeter. Your on.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianI'm up for that if you don't have any preferred takers!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
How do we do this then? First time and all. Go easy on me won't you..... Ha. I'm actually an everton fan so i guess that'll take some of the sweetness away.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYour from Manchester. I'm from Liverpool. That means victory will be even sweeter. Your on.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianI'm up for that if you don't have any preferred takers!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If Pacquiao wins I get to choose a sig you need to put on your profile for a month. Likewise if Cotto wins you give me one. Good thing your an Everton fan too I'm a season ticket holder there. I'll forget your from Manchester now.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianHow do we do this then? First time and all. Go easy on me won't you..... Ha. I'm actually an everton fan so i guess that'll take some of the sweetness away.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYour from Manchester. I'm from Liverpool. That means victory will be even sweeter. Your on.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
you are correct just did and its strange couldn't find what i thought i seen first time around...Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYou need to watch the fight again. Pacquiao was off balance. I'm a big Hatton fan but he never hurt Manny once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
enjoyed watching that again i think we forget just how great Pac is sometimes ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mk7mGSiRFk
I'd feel less uneasy if there wasn't all the hassle about the weight....maybe Cotto will pull a Floyd and ignore the contracted weight limit. Didn't seem to adversly affect him.:cool:
It all depends on how much speed pac has. If he has more speed than cotto, i'll give him a chance to win, but if cotto has more speed cotto will take it for sure.
I agree that Pacquiao has never faced anybody as good as Cotto but Cotto has never faced anyone as good as Pacquiao. This fight will be an offensive explosion, both guys can fire bombs. In the end Pacquiao's movement and solid chin will win the night. I love Cotto but im not sure about his chin (not taking the Margarito fight into account).
I'd say that Cotto having faced Mosely at welter has faced someone as good as Pac. I wouldnt say Pacs chin is any better than Cottos either when u consider the guys Cotto has been facing punch far harder than anyone Pac has faced. Cotto's chin will be fine it whether he can handle Pacs speed that will be his problem. As Pacs main problem will be whether he can take Cottos shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
he aint gonna burst shit. pac by stoppage.
I'm with you Saddo. After watching the PBF - MArquez fight, I could no longer imagine pacquiao winning over Cotto. Thank you for reminding us that Pac is a GREAT fighter coz my confidence is slowly coming back. Thank you for reminding us that Pac is not Marquez.
As to how will Pac handle the punches of Cotto, I'm confident that Pac will be able to carry it. So the speed factor is back again and Pac's chances is increasing IMO.
Pacquiao is going to beat Cotto and it's going to be one sided. Sorry to say but it is I've said this many times. Pacquiao is not the fighter Cotto needs to fight right now. Cotto is mentally still broken from the Margarito fight and any confidence he may have gained in thinking he was only dented was because of the gloves was quickly taken out of him in the Clottey fight as he found himself getting busted up in the same way but with no glove excuse. Cotto did just enough in the last part of that fight and it was more Clottey taking his foot off the gas then Cotto getting him off of him. Pacquiao won't take his foot off the gas and Cotto's self doubt will creep back in his mind if Pacquiao isn't gone in 4 rounds. Cotto is done, once Pacquiao starts hurting him he will fall apart again and Pacquiao won't let up on the gas he will finish him. Cotto is a good fighter but he isn't what he needs to be to beat someone like Pacquiao anymore.
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Originally Posted by Saddoyou are correct just did and its strange couldn't find what i thought i seen first time around...Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYou need to watch the fight again. Pacquiao was off balance. I'm a big Hatton fan but he never hurt Manny once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
enjoyed watching that again i think we forget just how great Pac is sometimes ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mk7mGSiRFk
did you mean the one at about 4:21 through the video?
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Originally Posted by leftylee
SOLD! 
Your on, Lefty ;)
It seems im with the minority on this one. I just carnt seem to right Pac off after what he has done in recent fights. No-one would have predicted what was going to happen against DLH and Hatton, who's to say he carnt do the same again.
Every time ya right Pac off he comes back and bites ya in the ass, so on that basis Pac beats Cotto.
Actually you are in the majorityQuote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Pacquiao = 1/2 = -200
Cotto = 28/15 = +186
As a matter of fact I can't see a book that has Cotto as the favorite.
Granted the odds will shift a bit in the next two weeks, but barring some
weird injury PAC will stay the favorite.
Manny Pacquiao v Miguel Angel Cotto Win Market Betting Odds
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Originally Posted by killersheepActually you are in the majorityQuote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
Pacquiao = 1/2 = -200
Cotto = 28/15 = +186
As a matter of fact I can't see a book that has Cotto as the favorite.
Granted the odds will shift a bit in the next two weeks, but barring some
weird injury PAC will stay the favorite.
Manny Pacquiao v Miguel Angel Cotto Win Market Betting Odds
Wahoo, just seems more peeps on this thread are going for Cotto.
A mate of mine put 150 on Cotto to win 13/8, bloody wasting his money for me mind :rolleyes:
Hatton did get close to Pac in the 1st round before he got hurt.I think it will take Cotto alittle longer because he will box his way in not rush like Hatton. As long as he can weather the first few rounds and the cut doesnt open up i see him pushing Manny back and stopping him around the 6th.
It all depends if pac has the speed advantage or not. If he has a sizeable speed advantage i'm going with pac. If the speed is equal between the two, i will pick no one because it iis a toss up.
Manny is faster than Cotto,Cotto fought Mosley who was alot faster than him and he did well against the speed.Timing kills speed if he can time Manny right.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
I pick Cotto by TKO. He's got the size advantage, he hits harder, and he is a good enough technical boxer to land regularly. He also has pretty good defense. Cotto has beaten faster fighters before and the difference between Clottey and pac-man is that Clottey is virtually unhurtable, Pac ain't.
have you brits not predicted the same for the hatton-pacquiao fight? you said hatton is too much for pacquiao. now you're saying the same crap. i would love to see you proven wrong again. go brits false prophets!
For Cotto to win, it will depend on a few factors. This is his first big fight since the Margarito bout. Did that brutal battle take something out of him or is he mentally ready for another huge fight? Physically, he will forced to come in at 145. While this may not seem like a dramatic difference from 147...you never know how a fighter will deal with, energy wise, losing a few pounds. Cotto also has a young, inexperienced trainer in his corner...you almost get the sense that he is coaching himself for this fight. This point leads to he biggest factor: strategy. Cotto is by no means slow...his speed is in fact underrated. But Pac is clearly faster and most likely will have better stamina. So Cotto needs to fight a controlled and intelligent fight. If he goes in simply trying to chase Pac down, pin him against the ropes, and hope to overpower him...he will lose...and maybe lose badly. Pac, for all his improvements, still lunges in on his punches/flurries. Marquez laid out the blueprint on what needs to be done against Manny...you need to be an effective counter puncher. Cotto needs to use his terrific jab to draw Manny in and counter him. If he does this effectively...he can set up for the power shots as the fight progresses. Hopefully it will be great fight.
false?? lennox lewis beat every man in front of him! Dick head!