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If it is, do you think Floyd Mayweather will EVER be penalised for using it :rolleyes:
Iv'e seen fighters get pulled up and harassed by referee's for some silly things like back-hand-jabbing and spinning out of clinches... Not very sinister stuff but for me, the constant and blatant use of the Forearm up close is just infuriating to see.
Surely it is. Mayweather does that a lot and it annoys me too. He was particularly bad against Hatton. Hatton repeatedly in close and then wedged in the face with an elbow and arm....that is unless Cortez got there first in his valiant efforts to eradicate fighting on the inside.
when its used as blatant as floyd its indeed as illegal as pacquiaos constant use of his head.
hatton actually took the piss out of floyd in one of the 24/7 episodes for constantly throwing his forearm into combinations almost as if it was routine for him.
Used it all night against hatton and cortez amazingly didnt happen to spot it once :o:o:o
Certainly is illegal once or so is OK but constant use of it and to have it used in the neck area is really pushing it......
But I guess it is OK if Floyd does it :-\
Illegal or not everyone knows he does it going into the fight. People that don't even watch boxing know he does it....so be ready for it. Now i'm sure floyd is the only one in boxing breaking the rules, but the forearm is still no excuse for a loss against him. If someone found some illegal advantage over him no one would shed a tear.
hahaha some one is bitter about the two thrashings Hatton took, and Mayweather doesn't throw the forearm, he uses it to push his opponent off of him then follow up with a left hook or lead right, think too much is being made of this, he's done it his whole career so don't get why people are bitching now, and this is coming from a guy who was accused of being a "hater" just a couple days ago by JT lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I think the reason that PBF doesn't get called out on it in the ring is he actually takes a step back so when his opponents rush in. they run into it.
I'm not saying this makes it right, but it games the system into a gray area.
"Look I just happened to have my arm up when he went for a clinch and I
accidently clipped him in the cheek with my elbow trying to get away"
It can be pretty flagrant.In an ideal world refs would enforce the rules right down the middle.And John Ruiz would have 20 DQ losses for excessive holding
it's not like PBF swings the elbow.
it's up to the refs to catch that shit. anyway, hatton-tszyu was downright disgraceful.
at the end of the day, PBF doesn't win b/c he uses forearms. it's because he's better than his opponent.
Whats the need for it then? It must help him or he would never do it. Floyd ducks below the belt a hell of a lot and uses forearm/elbow often but it's up to the ref to pick up on it. To be fair it's not like he is butting and throwing low blows in there he is just bending rules rather than breaking them. If that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Just about all of top fighters in boxing do something illegal as part of their strategy. Holding and hitting, headbutting, low blows, arm locks... you name it someone using it as part of their technique.
:shrug03: all great fighters have a dirty trick up their sleeveQuote:
Originally Posted by KelWhats the need for it then? It must help him or he would never do it. Floyd ducks below the belt a hell of a lot and uses forearm/elbow often but it's up to the ref to pick up on it. To be fair it's not like he is butting and throwing low blows in there he is just bending rules rather than breaking them. If that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
So true, my favourite dirty trick is used by Ricky Hatton -- Keeping his laces loose so that when he is close to being knocked the fugg out by a light fisted puncher (i.e. Lazcano) he can catch a breather ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay:shrug03: all great fighters have a dirty trick up their sleeveQuote:
Originally Posted by KelWhats the need for it then? It must help him or he would never do it. Floyd ducks below the belt a hell of a lot and uses forearm/elbow often but it's up to the ref to pick up on it. To be fair it's not like he is butting and throwing low blows in there he is just bending rules rather than breaking them. If that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Good posting Elterrible, too much is being made of this. It all depends on the ref too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshahaha some one is bitter about the two thrashings Hatton took, and Mayweather doesn't throw the forearm, he uses it to push his opponent off of him then follow up with a left hook or lead right, think too much is being made of this, he's done it his whole career so don't get why people are bitching now, and this is coming from a guy who was accused of being a "hater" just a couple days ago by JT lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Vic Draculic took a point away from Mayweather in the Castillo fight for excessive forearm usage to the distain of Larry Merchant. Larry Merchant went ballistic at the ref.
Again, this is boxing, not tiddlywinks. You get away with what you can on your way to victory. If something is done obviously and excessively in front of the ref, then of course points should be taken away but a great, experienced boxer will know when and where to do these things without getting caught.
Well, yes, mayweather would throw a "str8 right or a left hook" I mean he doesn't really throw anything else, does he? And I have long since complained about his elbows in fights. He was penalized in the first Castillo fight for it and never since. He got away from it for a while, but he was right back at it bad with DLH. I was shocked Cortez was letting Floyd get away with that much in Hatton's fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshahaha some one is bitter about the two thrashings Hatton took, and Mayweather doesn't throw the forearm, he uses it to push his opponent off of him then follow up with a left hook or lead right, think too much is being made of this, he's done it his whole career so don't get why people are bitching now, and this is coming from a guy who was accused of being a "hater" just a couple days ago by JT lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
So why should we not be pissed if he's done it his whole career? Is there anything this guy has done right? Mayweather is so respectable as a person, family man, fighter, competitor, crowd pleaser, and cash cow. I love him like the morning dew in the desert. He breathes new life into boxing. I think he is a really good role model, too.
I think Kessler called him out for his next fight at SMW. Floyd will take the fight. He never dodges anyone.
Seriously.. I think the dirtiest fight I've seen recently is Chris Henry and Yousef Mack.
Henry is one dirty SOB! But tough tough tough.
ALL of the greatest fighters cheated, most of them were smart enough to do it an not get penalized for it. And really you can't say they cheated it's more they bent the rules exceptionally well.
At least he doesn't use the forearm like Tyson (where it's into your throat) or like Marciano (where he tries to knock you out with it, see the Archie Moore fight, Rocky hit him with EVERYTHING)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Yeah Mike if he missed the punch he landed the forearm for sure
yeah i forgot about that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I dunno... it just gets to me how the ref never pick's up on these things even though he always does it so blatantly.
If i were his opponent, i'd make suc a meal out of it. In fact, id pre warn the ref during the pre-fight breifing. ;D
Is this legal? Almost below the fucking knee lol. What sort of punch do you employ to land in this situation? a 'downer cut'?
http://i33.tinypic.com/2meqvb6.jpg
True but he isn't there for long, Kel so it's hard to penalise him when he is up and down so fast.
I didn't even notice that one so I imagine it would be even harder for the ref judging by his position.
fighters are rarely called for ducking below the waistline.
Not there a lot you say? These are all from the Marquez fight, check em out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
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again not the first or the last to do it, Gabriel Ruelas almost dipped to the floor all night long against Leijas and Whitaker would do it in a whole mess of fights, Mayweather himself would dip to avoid the shot, not like he fought bent over the whole night lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kelhttp://i34.tinypic.com/f0nk47.jpghttp://i37.tinypic.com/35n39y9.jpghttp://i34.tinypic.com/smxgdc.jpghttp://i35.tinypic.com/j7eul0.jpgNot there a lot you say? These are all from the Marquez fight, check em out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
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You had to quote me when the post was all messed up! Just took 10 mins fixing the cunt
lmao sorry bro jajajaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
...easy enough to stop Floyd from doing that...FOUL HIM.
have you seriously ever studied mayweathers punching techniqueQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshahaha some one is bitter about the two thrashings Hatton took, and Mayweather doesn't throw the forearm, he uses it to push his opponent off of him then follow up with a left hook or lead right, think too much is being made of this, he's done it his whole career so don't get why people are bitching now, and this is coming from a guy who was accused of being a "hater" just a couple days ago by JT lolQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
every time he throws a 5-6 combo about 3-4 in a blatant left forearm gets chucked in
He did it on saturday night, did it against hatton and has been doing it throughout his career
Im not floyd bashing but to be so naive to say floyd doesnt/hasnt ever used that forearm on an opponent is just like me saying evander holyfield rarely ever headbutted!!
One of the pros in my gym ducks below the waistline constantly, making it incredibly hard to hit him. The only punch you can really connect when someone does this is an illegal punch to the back of the head.
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Originally Posted by KelNot there a lot you say? These are all from the Marquez fight, check em out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
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very good spots
never ever thought about it before but he does have a tendancy to duck ridiculously low at times.
Cant really be seen as cheating though when theirs not actually a rule against it, it doesnt impair the opponent and its the same for both fighters
It's only illegal if the referee says it's illegal.
If it is written, it is so.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Kel, id rep you if i could. Great pics! The funny thing is, you should watch the Baldomir fight... It think it was round 5 or 6... I swear to got, he dips below the waist more times in that one round than he did in the entire Marquez fight.
If only, you were aloud to punch below the waist :rolleyes:
Check this out... 1st punch of the vid ;D YouTube - Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Carlos Baldomir Pt.4
Bad example as far as rounds go but flippin hell, he could of laced his own boots up upon decent!
I swear if someone just nailed him in the kidney every time he ducked like that he'd stop ducking like that.
Someone needs a KILLER INSTINCT to beat Floyd....don't worry about getting a point taken from you, just foul the mother fucker because he's breaking the rules as well and I figure as long as you don't hit him purposely behind the head the ref will be more leniant on you. A couple stiff punches to the kidneys would slow Floyd down a bit.
keeping your lead hand outstretched is illegal also lol and Wlad does it plenty, maybe someone should clip his knee, should take away his height lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
...you're right good luck getting past that ;)
As I said before all GREAT fighters bend the rules
Wlad is abnormally strong and is gigantic in stature and he leans on his opponents many times. it's illegal.
he needs that strength and height though. otherwise his style would be completely useless.
how can he lean on you when he's like 5 ft away jabbing the hell out of you?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Why abnormal? Both the Klits are naturally big strong guys, they are both always in very good condition from what I seen too. Like em or not you have to respect them next to these fat bastards we got nowadays (apart from Haye and a select few)Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Haye isn't fat but he's definently a bastard
Yeah he has a gob on him and all, granted. You suck Klit cock, but to be honest, they both show class, are always in shape and never bad mouth people unless it's caused for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Haye is starting to get on my fucking nerves a bit actually.