After the contempt Mayweather showed in not making the agreed weight which was classless. Should Cotto do the same and just make the welter limit and beat up Pac?
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After the contempt Mayweather showed in not making the agreed weight which was classless. Should Cotto do the same and just make the welter limit and beat up Pac?
hell no
Cotto will honour the catchweight like a man. No chance he does any shit like that.
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Originally Posted by Master
Very good point.
Mayweather got off very light for showing no respect what so ever for JJM or the fans in reguards to the weight limit.
What if JJM said fuck it I am not fighting?
But as Pac man is the star and Cotto is just the supporting star Cotto will make the weight.
Boxing in lots of ways is not a fair sport.
His body has grown a lot since moving up from 140 (3 and a half years ago), there is also the possibility the Cotto will not be able to make 144.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Very good point.
Mayweather got off very light for showing no respect what so ever for JJM or the fans in reguards to the weight limit.
What if JJM said fuck it I am not fighting?
But as Pac man is the star and Cotto is just the supporting star Cotto will make the weight.
Boxing in lots of ways is not a fair sport.
Look at how drained looking he was at 146 for the Clottey fight.
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I think Cotto looks fine there. Clottey is a bit scary lookin man. He looks like Starvin Marvin, sure everyone remembers him from southpark..... Ha
I say Cotto weighs in fien, he shouldn't be strugglin for motivation in the build up to this one.....
Clottey looks bigger. Now these are real welterweights that will go up to 160lb fight night. Would Floyd mess with a real big welter?
I don't know man he looks a little light to me, not all that different than he did before the Malignaggi fight (except the obvious addition of tattoos). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Cotto unable to make 144. I think Clottey naturally has 0% body fat though.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Nah, Cotto should make the weight as should any fighter make an agreed weight limit.
Was a bit of a bitch move by Mayweather for not making the weight and marred an otherwise perfect return.
Was dissapointed by that. I remember how annoyed I'd get when I used to attend amateur shows and hear that a lot of guys wouldn't make weight so fights would have to be cancelled. Imagine being the opponent having trained so hard for that fight only for it to be cancelled?
It's disrespectful.
Yes should have made Mayweather dry out in a sauna for 6 hours just to teach him a lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
2 hours would've been fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes should have made Mayweather dry out in a sauna for 6 hours just to teach him a lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
plus, PBF didn't give JMM a brain damage like Gatti did Gamache.
145 innit?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI don't know man he looks a little light to me, not all that different than he did before the Malignaggi fight (except the obvious addition of tattoos). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Cotto unable to make 144. I think Clottey naturally has 0% body fat though.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
You're right my mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel145 innit?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI don't know man he looks a little light to me, not all that different than he did before the Malignaggi fight (except the obvious addition of tattoos). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Cotto unable to make 144. I think Clottey naturally has 0% body fat though.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
The CONTRACTED weight was 147 with the stipulation that Mayweather would pay money for every pound he was over 144. So it wasn't mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Cotto is CONTRACTED to come in at 145 so he won't but if it wasn't mandatory he would.
Ah no worries, I thought I'd got it all wrong for a sec. I think he will struggle a little to get to 145 but not enough to piss up his chances of being able to fight how he wants to fight. Well I hope not anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYou're right my mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel145 innit?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Yeah but it was never mentioned until after the weigh in was it? But you already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThe CONTRACTED weight was 147 with the stipulation that Mayweather would pay money for every pound he was over 144. So it wasn't mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Cotto is CONTRACTED to come in at 145 so he won't but if it wasn't mandatory he would.
Well if i am honest about it i would rather see a fighter come in over. Reason why is who wants to see a fight when the other guy is drained. I mean i never want to see what happen to Oscar Dela Hoya happen to anyone. Just pay the money and move on, he couldn't make the weight o well i guess. Thats half the reason i dont like catch weights, if Cotto can not make it health. Then i dont care if he comes in at a pound over, I dont care for either fighter Pac or Cotto. But i dont want to see a skelton come in like Dela Hoya did so a pound doesnt bother me that much i guess.
Yeah no one wants a replay of the Oscar fight, if he really can't make 145 in a healthy way I doubt he would have agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yea i understand Kell not saying no one should make weight. Just if they cant make the extra pound then dont do it and pay the money needed.
Miguel came in at 146 for the Clottey weigh-in, and I have to believe that he can take that one pound off safely, otherwise I don't think he would have agreed to it.
That is also why he started training camp earlier than normal, so that he can take it off safely, and not have to drain himself the last week before the fight. He also did not allow himself to gain alot of weight after the Clottey fight, because he didn't want to have to lose a lot of weight before the fight.
Actually the contracted weight for Marquez/Mayweather was 144, the weight didn't get changed until the day of the weigh-in when it became clear that he wouldn't make weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah but it was never mentioned until after the weigh in was it? But you already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThe CONTRACTED weight was 147 with the stipulation that Mayweather would pay money for every pound he was over 144. So it wasn't mandatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Cotto is CONTRACTED to come in at 145 so he won't but if it wasn't mandatory he would.
Here is all the details about what happened.
Mayweather disrespected Marquez, boxing - ESPN
He should and I think he will.He's a professional and respects the sport.
If a fighter cannot will not make the weight,it should not be made regardless of status and names involved.No slight of hand gimmicks.
Well said Diane. I'm sick of hearing excuses for Mayweathers weight antics. He cheated, end of story. Even his supporters should have their eyebrows more than raised by the carry on that took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent DActually the contracted weight for Marquez/Mayweather was 144, the weight didn't get changed until the day of the weigh-in when it became clear that he wouldn't make weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah but it was never mentioned until after the weigh in was it? But you already knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Here is all the details about what happened.
Mayweather disrespected Marquez, boxing - ESPN
As for Cotto. Well, he should make the weight like he agreed to in the contract. A fighter should have honour in what they do and making weight is an important part of that. I always look at Cotto as a no bullshit kind of guy.
Cotto has honor, and is always professional, you can't say that about Mayweather. Cotto will honor the agreed upon weight, and make the 145.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell said Diane. I'm sick of hearing excuses for Mayweathers weight antics. He cheated, end of story. Even his supporters should have their eyebrows more than raised by the carry on that took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent DActually the contracted weight for Marquez/Mayweather was 144, the weight didn't get changed until the day of the weigh-in when it became clear that he wouldn't make weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Here is all the details about what happened.
Mayweather disrespected Marquez, boxing - ESPN
As for Cotto. Well, he should make the weight like he agreed to in the contract. A fighter should have honour in what they do and making weight is an important part of that. I always look at Cotto as a no bullshit kind of guy.
Obviously he should look at the 2 outcomes:
1) Cotto's last fight he weighed in @ 146 come in 1 lb lighter at 145 and fight
2)gain 1 lb and come in @ 147 and lose money
seems obvious to me
No. Except if he has 90% of the purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Besides, to go back to the question as if Cotto will respect the weight, I would say: it depends of what was written in the contract and about the penalty that goes with it; if it is a ludicrous one, what is the purpose to respect the weight? too much money at stake, the fight will happen indeed and it would give him the chance to shine and to reduce the chances to get injured. If the fine is too high though, I guess that it would be a good reason to respect the weight.... if I would be Bobby Arum, you can make sure that I would negociate something horrible against Mayweather to make sure he'd respect the weight.
Where are the good ol days when Henry Armstrong won the welterweight title weighing 130some pounds and the only stipulation was that he weigh OVER a certain weight because he was the featherweight chanpion at the time.
think a couple of hundred Gs doesnt really matter to someone like floyd for not making weight where as cottos concerned he would be far more worried about how the loss of earnings would effect those around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent DCotto has honor, and is always professional, you can't say that about Mayweather. Cotto will honor the agreed upon weight, and make the 145.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell said Diane. I'm sick of hearing excuses for Mayweathers weight antics. He cheated, end of story. Even his supporters should have their eyebrows more than raised by the carry on that took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D
As for Cotto. Well, he should make the weight like he agreed to in the contract. A fighter should have honour in what they do and making weight is an important part of that. I always look at Cotto as a no bullshit kind of guy.
Miguels getting screwed here we can all see it, the fight was signed and agreed and now half way into training theyre trying to change the boundary ropes. Cotto will make 143,144,145 if need be but i seriously fear he`ll have to sacrifice that odd meal a day before the weigh in which could be a vital factor in how this goes. Sounds stupid i know but boxers often resort to these measures to strip 2-3pounds away in the 24hours leading up to the fight!!
I say Cotto will honor the contract. and the major word there is Honor, and that can also be accompanied by the word Respect. Cotto is a different personality altogether compared to mayweather. Mayweather has respect for the size of his head alone, where as Cotto has respect for other fighters and the sport that is boxing so will, in my mind, not pick and choose what he weighs in at and will not be calling Bob Arum the day before the fight to try and change the contracted weight agreement....
Floyd will not fight anyone his own size, it's too equal for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He wants to fight at his division and train for 147.
But only if he can fight guys comming up from jr. lightweight, lightweight, or jr WW.
That's the criteria to be p4p king..lol
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Cotto has integrity and an honorable man. Don't confuse the Cotto's with the Mayweathers.
Cotto will come in at the agreed weight.
Natural... 0% body fat. I guess I workout 5 days a week for nothing then. I must naturally have 5% body fat. I think I'll take next week off and watch TV and eat poo.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI don't know man he looks a little light to me, not all that different than he did before the Malignaggi fight (except the obvious addition of tattoos). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Cotto unable to make 144. I think Clottey naturally has 0% body fat though.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Clottey is a BEAST. He and Tim Bradley are just superb specimines.. too bad boxing isn't a body building contest. They both could use a little more show stopping power. Starvin Marvin wasn't chiseled like a Michelangelo sculpture!
Cotto will make weight even if it kills him. I agree he is an honorable fighter and person. Don't know how anyone could not like him, really. This fight will be awesome 4 sure!
I hope you detected the sarcasm in the 0% thing. For me I think Cotto is about at the point, where like Nate Campbell against Ali Funeka his body just won't let him make weight at least down to 145. It's just a theory, and I'm probably wrong, but I'm sticking with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsNatural... 0% body fat. I guess I workout 5 days a week for nothing then. I must naturally have 5% body fat. I think I'll take next week off and watch TV and eat poo.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI don't know man he looks a little light to me, not all that different than he did before the Malignaggi fight (except the obvious addition of tattoos). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Cotto unable to make 144. I think Clottey naturally has 0% body fat though.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Clottey is a BEAST. He and Tim Bradley are just superb specimines.. too bad boxing isn't a body building contest. They both could use a little more show stopping power. Starvin Marvin wasn't chiseled like a Michelangelo sculpture!
Cotto will make weight even if it kills him. I agree he is an honorable fighter and person. Don't know how anyone could not like him, really. This fight will be awesome 4 sure!
welter yes any silly catchweight who cares. It's funny someone cries for integrity in a sport full of shady cheats. Do these same fans stay up at night upset cause the gang truce in l.a. Didn't hold up too ? Give me a freakin break guys are bending the rules with the ridiculous catchweights and lord knows the stuff we don't see behind doors. I noticed one thing that stayed true marquez and his people grabbed that 600k signed the new contract and didn't say shit. Honor and legacy I see once again got it's ass kicked by cash. Much as floyd haters cry and bitch even marquez understands that Spanish English or whatever. So let's not be so quick to bash floyd for loving money marquz just got his ass kicked in a fight he knew he couldn't win for the same reason you all hate the guy so much for. Money. And most of us have and would do the same damn thing. He'll nacho at no time could even act like he thought juan had a chance. He was chasin the green right along with the rest of em. Like clottey fighting at welter coming in the ring at 200 lookin like a black bolo is any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
[quote=Mar;790941]What the hell are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Marquez took a big-purse fight... as you say who can blame him!
PBF took a fight, twisted it and disrespected everything that is fundamental to boxing just so that he could have a victorious comeback!
If you are unable to see this then you are dillusional!
I for one am not 'bashing' PBF for loving money (hell if I had the IRS on my case for $6 million i'd do the same thing!) What I am 'bashing' him for is taking mugs like me and you for £20 (about $40 the way the $ is going!;D)to watch a complete mismatch on PPV!
The headline on box-office should have read Mayweather Jr v The IRS:rolleyes:
Just fight Cotto you bully
By that it would have been a fair fight if Mayweather weighed in at 144 but it was a complete mismatch him weighing 146?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mao's Favourite StarlingWhat the hell are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Marquez took a big-purse fight... as you say who can blame him!
PBF took a fight, twisted it and disrespected everything that is fundamental to boxing just so that he could have a victorious comeback!
If you are unable to see this then you are dillusional!
I for one am not 'bashing' PBF for loving money (hell if I had the IRS on my case for $6 million i'd do the same thing!) What I am 'bashing' him for is taking mugs like me and you for £20 (about $40 the way the $ is going!;D)to watch a complete mismatch on PPV!
The headline on box-office should have read Mayweather Jr v The IRS:rolleyes:
Just fight Cotto you bully
The fight was a mismatch to begin with. Marquez was always going to be way to small.
It was disrespectful for Mayweather to not make the effort to come in at the right weight, which he could have done with more work, but he made a choice that it wasn't that important and he'd be better off keeping comfortable..
It was cutting a corner.. cutting a corner at the expense of his opponent, and not great for boxing if this sort of thing happened all the time. Although that's kind of what we get with these catchweight fights.. A weight that is trying to bring 2 fighters together who perhaps don't belong in the ring with each other otherwise... And that's what we saw. Money does make the world go round and if the weight limit was set at 144 then the fight wouldn't have went on if Floyd weighed to much.. it wasn't, it was set at a price value, Marquez took the cash (and the disadvantage)... If those 2 pounds were going to make it a total mismatch where otherwise it would be competitive, then Marquez shouldn't have taken it...
But he did and we can now move on... And perhaps other fighters can learn something from this if they want someone to come down to a catchweight, then make it solid if it's going to be such an advantage for someone to weigh a few pounds over that..
I think Cotto will respect the weight set... Mayweather didn't but paid for it and won what he was always going to win..
I think Cotto has the honor and the balls to fight at 145. I also think the penalty for not making the weight is more for Cotto than Floyd. So if anything, Cotto probably can't afford it as much.
Good point, but the fact remains that PBF dragged somebody up a heck of a lot! If weight was such a side issue wouldn't we just have a 'middleweight' band?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
As I said in my previous post, lets see how masterful PBF is againts a true middleweight!! The guy has fought blown-up guys for the past 4 years imo. If he is as great as he likes to tell everybody that he is he needs to fight the guys you me and everybody knows he should fight!
He will get HURT and he knows it! Cotto will hand him his arse! I even think Clottey would worry Mayweather tbh