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Mayweather has shown that he is a PPV attraction by the #s his last fight put up. However in my opinion this does not mean he is necessarily a bigger draw than Manny. I think that Mayweather sparked the public's interest and Manny and Miguel will set it off sort of. I'll go out on a limb and say that Pac Cotto does 1.3 M
How do you predict Pac - Cotto sales go?
Mayweather is the cash cow of the sport now. Against a Mexican fighter that is virtually unknown to the general public he manages 1 million PPV buys and in a recession. Can't say he's not the draw anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whereas Hatton-Pacquiao was marketed even bigger and seems to be the bigger fight but only managed 825,000 ppv buys.
I'd be surprised if Cotto-Pacquiao does 1 million. It's going to be seen by the general American public as 2 foreigners fighting. America don't like foreigners, unless 1 of their own is beating the shit out of the other foreigner.
Those number are US only numbers. The jury is still out on this. Pac/Cotto has got nothing to do with Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogMayweather is the cash cow of the sport now. Against a Mexican fighter that is virtually unknown to the general public he manages 1 million PPV buys and in a recession. Can't say he's not the draw anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whereas Hatton-Pacquiao was marketed even bigger and seems to be the bigger fight but only managed 825,000 ppv buys.
I'd be surprised if Cotto-Pacquiao does 1 million. It's going to be seen by the general American public as 2 foreigners fighting. America don't like foreigners, unless 1 of their own is beating the shit out of the other foreigner.
And Mayweather-Hatton did 900,000+ and that's just the US numbers. Either way Floyd has proven that he's the bigger draw than Pac against the same opponents in a very similar economic climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyThose number are US only numbers. The jury is still out on this. Pac/Cotto has got nothing to do with Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogMayweather is the cash cow of the sport now. Against a Mexican fighter that is virtually unknown to the general public he manages 1 million PPV buys and in a recession. Can't say he's not the draw anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whereas Hatton-Pacquiao was marketed even bigger and seems to be the bigger fight but only managed 825,000 ppv buys.
I'd be surprised if Cotto-Pacquiao does 1 million. It's going to be seen by the general American public as 2 foreigners fighting. America don't like foreigners, unless 1 of their own is beating the shit out of the other foreigner.
Cotto-Pac might be similar to Hatton-Pac in terms of ppv buys, in that they are 2 foreign fighters that have an exciting style but does only a decent number, overall it's the American buying general public that dictates PPV sales.
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Originally Posted by generalbulldogMayweather is the cash cow of the sport now. Against a Mexican fighter that is virtually unknown to the general public he manages 1 million PPV buys and in a recession. Can't say he's not the draw anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whereas Hatton-Pacquiao was marketed even bigger and seems to be the bigger fight but only managed 825,000 ppv buys.
I'd be surprised if Cotto-Pacquiao does 1 million. It's going to be seen by the general American public as 2 foreigners fighting. America don't like foreigners, unless 1 of their own is beating the shit out of the other foreigner.
very true
still..........no f*cking way this got a million sales!!!
Well, PBF definitely carried this event and I'm glad boxing showed UFC up only because Dana White is a very mouthy president for them. Pac/Cotto has two fighters who have a decent following even though Pac might have more. So Pac/Cotto should do well itself. But there is no denying that PBF is a bigger draw than Pac. They now have 3 common opponents(Hatton, DLH, Marquez) and in each case PBF drew more PPV buys than when Pac fought them.
Ok so do you want to take into account UK numbers also?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyThose number are US only numbers. The jury is still out on this. Pac/Cotto has got nothing to do with Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogMayweather is the cash cow of the sport now. Against a Mexican fighter that is virtually unknown to the general public he manages 1 million PPV buys and in a recession. Can't say he's not the draw anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whereas Hatton-Pacquiao was marketed even bigger and seems to be the bigger fight but only managed 825,000 ppv buys.
I'd be surprised if Cotto-Pacquiao does 1 million. It's going to be seen by the general American public as 2 foreigners fighting. America don't like foreigners, unless 1 of their own is beating the shit out of the other foreigner.
Mayweather-Hatton
US: 920,000 buys
UK: 1.4m buys
Pacquiao-Hatton
US: 825,000 buys
UK: 350,000 buys
Kind of says it all. Unless you want me to bring out the comparison between how Mayweather sold against ODLH & JMM with how Pac did against those same opponents. Just accept it he's a star.
For the record I think Pacquiao-Cotto does 1m, maybe more as they're two fighters with big communities in the US. Difference between them & PBF-JMM is that they both have proved to be a draw of some kind in the past.
Way too speak for all of America :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogMayweather is the cash cow of the sport now. Against a Mexican fighter that is virtually unknown to the general public he manages 1 million PPV buys and in a recession. Can't say he's not the draw anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whereas Hatton-Pacquiao was marketed even bigger and seems to be the bigger fight but only managed 825,000 ppv buys.
I'd be surprised if Cotto-Pacquiao does 1 million. It's going to be seen by the general American public as 2 foreigners fighting. America don't like foreigners, unless 1 of their own is beating the shit out of the other foreigner.
Most "Americans" I know wanted Hatton to beat Mayweather and wanted Marquez to beat Mayweather.
I think you underestimate how a lot of people tend to get behind the perceived underdog/humble fighter. Which in 24/7's case, and 24/7 does seem to be the X-factor in marketing BIG PPV's sales, the humble and/or underdog fighter always seems to not be an American.
I think a lot of people bought that fight to see if Marquez could pull an upset against Floyd, not to see an "American beat the crap out of a foreigner" :rolleyes:
Also, unless HBO publishes to PPV numbers as part of an official annual report or something I'm not going to believe any number I hear. Way too much money and politics behind it to believe talk.
As far as I know it's perfectly legal to lie about the amount of PPV sales something did to the public.
I don't know why everyone seems so suprised by Mayweather's numbers. He's American, has a hip hop image, is in the news for things outside of boxing, trashtalks, has alot of money and loves to show it and plays the villain. He's what alot of young people across the world find cool and someone alot of older people want to see get knocked out. People can't even pronounce Pacquiao Cotto.
We have different perceptions then, most Americans I know were rooting for Floyd to ko Hatton, because as someone pointed out Floyd appeals to the younger fans, especially to the hip hop generation. And many people bought the Floyd-Marquez fight was to see him back in action and return to the ring as the true p4p king (I'm not saying Pacman didn't earn his #1 p4p status).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The KillerWay too speak for all of America :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogMayweather is the cash cow of the sport now. Against a Mexican fighter that is virtually unknown to the general public he manages 1 million PPV buys and in a recession. Can't say he's not the draw anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
Whereas Hatton-Pacquiao was marketed even bigger and seems to be the bigger fight but only managed 825,000 ppv buys.
I'd be surprised if Cotto-Pacquiao does 1 million. It's going to be seen by the general American public as 2 foreigners fighting. America don't like foreigners, unless 1 of their own is beating the shit out of the other foreigner.
Most "Americans" I know wanted Hatton to beat Mayweather and wanted Marquez to beat Mayweather.
I think you underestimate how a lot of people tend to get behind the perceived underdog/humble fighter. Which in 24/7's case, and 24/7 does seem to be the X-factor in marketing BIG PPV's sales, the humble and/or underdog fighter always seems to not be an American.
I think a lot of people bought that fight to see if Marquez could pull an upset against Floyd, not to see an "American beat the crap out of a foreigner" :rolleyes:
Most Americans, don't know who Pacquiao or Cotto is. They can't even pronounce their names. They are seen as 2 foreigners, even though Puerto Ricans have American citizenship by birthright. And Pacquiao is seen as an oddity in boxing (by the American general public), sort of an Yao Ming type.
I'm from Australia and I'd have to agree. When I first got into boxing I checked out Pacquiao fights because I'm half Filipino and Jim Lampley would always be talking about how much of an international superstar Manny is and I remember thinking how come I've never heard of him before. I'm a massive Pacquiao fan but I think his worldwide recognition is grossly overestimated because of his cult status in the Philippines. The sad thing is I'd never heard of Mayweather as well. The only thing you hear about here is rugby fucking league. Man I never knew that Peurto Ricans had a birthright to American citizenship. You learn something new everyday
Jahmez, I had been boxing for nearly 2 years and had fights under my belt in two countries already before I started to learn a bit about professional boxing. Before I signed up to Saddos and started hearing about this Pacquiao fellow, Mayweather, Marquez, etc. All I knew was Ali was the man, but a lil punch drunk these days. RJJ was slick. That was it!Quote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
It was was kinda cool asa new boxer to be like this. I mean, it made it so much more exciting to learn the sport in both training and history. I kinda like you Jahmez (in a totally non gay way lol) and hope you stick around Saddos and the trainin section. You got a really good attitude for boxing me thinks.
Thanks man. I think this forum is the best on the net. I played soccer when I was younger and I think I could of gone so much further if there was just a place I could find reliable information. This forum is it for boxing. Yeh man it was awesome when I first got into boxing. Just seeing the completely unique styles of all the great modern fighters for the first time kept me on youtube for hours at a time. Chris Nagel gave me some advice a while back and suggested I checked out the old fighters. Now I sit back in awe watching Willie Pep.
I was the first one to diss Floyd on the PPv thing and the first one to say he wouldn't much higher than 500k of PPV and I admit I was wrong and surprised (still surprised a bit). I was wrong on that one, plain and simple, Floyd's an ass overall but he still drag a good crowd and foster interest into the sport, which can only be good for everybody involved into boxing.
I think this proves that the 24/7 series of marketing and all the other marketing stops worked. PBF isn't the cash cow.
DeWalt was a sponsor and there were posters in every Home Depot, Lowes, etc.
GBP had some mexican beer company giving rebates and coupons for the exact value of the fight so you could basically see it for free if you ordered it and bought enough beer.
Mayweather's name is very recognizable now, but his fan base isn't real high. He's well known like O.J. every body wants to see him get smashed.
Mayweather has benefitted greatly from the new marketing tactics more than people wanting to see him. Imagine if Hagler Hearns, SRL Hearns, etc were ppv's and had 24/7 marketing them????
And to add, this last fight had a very strong undercard. Actually that's what convinced me to order. I had people over and none of the 11 people wanted to see PBF. We were gonna order UFC, but I decided that Kats, and Juarez fights would be good and reading the rumors that PBF didn't look good in training, the weight thing, etc..... maybe JMM drank enough piss to pull off an upset.
I figured I would be disappointed and that it was a mismatch but because the undercard would be good, I went with boxing.