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This is amazing for a man who is supposedly not a draw! the article discusses his success before the Marquez bout when he was the fifth most successful all time PPV fighter. now after overtaking Lennox Lewis due to the huge sales in the Marquez bout Mayweather has become the 4th most successful PPV star trailing only Oscar DeLaHoya(1), Tyson(2) & Holyfield(3).
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Originally Posted by piye
Very impressive indeed, can you see any young up and coming fighter possibly being a major ppv star?? Im finding hard to find one to be honest.
Me too i mean the most ideal is Chad Dawson, but the guy can't draw flies to shit at the moment he needed a fight and win against Joe Calzhage.
Calzhage is not or has never been a huge name but would have been a great step up to glory for Chad.
His other option is Hopkins as Hopkins whilst not Hugely popular is well known and a win here would knock chads pulling power up a bit.
Floyd is definitely a draw and the biggest in boxing right now. But Floyd's not known for his intelligence outside the ring and he definitely did take the hard road. I'm not big on Arum but he was right on how to market Floyd. Not on the next "so and so" but to reach the demographics that is the largest and who pay the most. Floyd has ridiculous talent and skills. People shouldn't be fooled by Floyd's success and think he maximized his potential. Floyd could have been even bigger than what his now. Even though he is the biggest draw in boxing he could've been even bigger.
I agree with that to a large extent b legit.
Well, I am surprised. I don't quite get why that many people would splash out to watch a WW take on LW. I'm surprised more didn't cancel their subscription after the weigh in debacle too. It's not a good sign that people will watch in their droves to see Mayweather fight a hand picked opponent. We might never see the last of this type of behaviour.
Man, you are so bitter recently - The fact that he is now the 4th biggest draw ever is good for boxing right now. I don't see any other stars at the moment, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I was the first one to shake my head when I heard that he weighed in 4lbs more than Marquez but you're actually saying people SHOULDN'T have tuned in and that "it's not a good sign"??
Listen to yourself! A lot of these buyers were probably casual fans so how the hell is it not a good sign that we are bringing more casual fans to the sport of boxing??
More fans to boxing = "not a good sign"?...ok then :rolleyes:
Big deal. Titanics the highest grossing film of all time but it still pussy. Damn son, guess I'm just a hater.
Nooo!!! Not the miles has turned bitter thing again! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzMan, you are so bitter recently - The fact that he is now the 4th biggest draw ever is good for boxing right now. I don't see any other stars at the moment, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I was the first one to shake my head when I heard that he weighed in 4lbs more than Marquez but you're actually saying people SHOULDN'T have tuned in and that "it's not a good sign"??
Listen to yourself! A lot of these buyers were probably casual fans so how the hell is it not a good sign that we are bringing more casual fans to the sport of boxing??
More fans to boxing = "not a good sign"?...ok then :rolleyes:
I agree that it's a good thing that boxing has an audience, but I also think that if that audience is forking out nigh on 50 dollars to watch a fight then it should be Mayweather taking on a serious challenge and against an opponent who can actually compete at his weight. I felt that the Mayweather/Marquez fight was a bit of a con all in all. Boxing can make better matchups than that and a paying public deserves better than that too.
It seems that the sportstars who find the most commercial success do so by conning the general public into thinking that they are critically acclaimed by all of their peers. Mayweather reminds me of David Beckham. Ask the average person what they think. "Man he's the greatest of all time!" What makes you think that? "Number One Numero Uno baby! Man everyone knows it! Who else do you hear about!" Then you ask someone in the game. We've all witnessed the eternal debate right here. The whole Pound for Pound #1 and Undefeated shit has cheated the public into thinking that they are parting ways with their money to see the best of boxing. Is it bad that they bought the fight and boxing recieved attention? No. But will they ever watch Marquez fight again? Why bother watching Pacquiao if Marquez got beaten so badly by Mayweather? Pacquiao can't be that good. What? Cotto lost a fight? Mosley? Man Floyds dad or uncle or some shit said he's a roid muncher! Fuck that! I'll just wait for the next time Mayweather fights!
LOL you guys do sound really bitter; Mayweather is far from the most entertaining fighter out there but his matches are not that boring! the MArquez fight wasn't really boring just one sided! The DelaHoya and Baldomir fights they were boring!
Why would people think Mayweather was not a big draw. I go to every feed back website and people are talking about how much they hate or love him. Even when he took a layoff u people were still talking about him. U PEOPLE made him a big draw. It's simply called the Law of cause and effect. This man is beating his oposition inside the ring and using his oposition outside the ring to his great advantage. U People(im not talking about race) are the main reason. Just accept it u got beat by Floyd too. P.S- If U People didnt run Tall Paul Williams out of the division you would have had somebody to dethrone Floyd but u ran him out because u didnt want him to fight your favorite fighters. You allowed Mosley, Cotto, Floyd to avoid Paul with no protest and he could not even give away a rematch to Margo so blame yourselves for Floyd being and staying on top. Tall Paul would have crashed Floyd's ass. U People Reap what u SOW.
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Originally Posted by Althugz
How condescending can you be!?
Believe it or not, some of us are fight fans not 'viewer-counters' like you!!
Who the fu*k cares about how many people watched a fight if it was a dreadful fight!!
These 'casual' (as you refer to them) viewers would have watched PBFvJMM and proclaim that PBF is a much better fighter! Do they have a clue about the machinations that went on beforehand? Do they fook!!!
Well, Manny Pacquiao brings more audience on the table than Mayweather and he's way more spectacular if it can answer your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzMan, you are so bitter recently - The fact that he is now the 4th biggest draw ever is good for boxing right now. I don't see any other stars at the moment, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I was the first one to shake my head when I heard that he weighed in 4lbs more than Marquez but you're actually saying people SHOULDN'T have tuned in and that "it's not a good sign"??
Listen to yourself! A lot of these buyers were probably casual fans so how the hell is it not a good sign that we are bringing more casual fans to the sport of boxing??
More fans to boxing = "not a good sign"?...ok then :rolleyes:
I cannot see how in any way that answers his question :-\. As long as BOTH Pacquiao & Mayweather bring new fans for boxing it cannot be a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWell, Manny Pacquiao brings more audience on the table than Mayweather and he's way more spectacular if it can answer your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzMan, you are so bitter recently - The fact that he is now the 4th biggest draw ever is good for boxing right now. I don't see any other stars at the moment, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I was the first one to shake my head when I heard that he weighed in 4lbs more than Marquez but you're actually saying people SHOULDN'T have tuned in and that "it's not a good sign"??
Listen to yourself! A lot of these buyers were probably casual fans so how the hell is it not a good sign that we are bringing more casual fans to the sport of boxing??
More fans to boxing = "not a good sign"?...ok then :rolleyes:
I think one mass assumption that people make is that 'casual' fans want to see people getting KO'd which isn't necessarily the case. All but 2 of the 12 people who came to mine last week to watch the fight were the definition of casual fans, some of who had never seen the fight. ALL of them came away excited by it, mainly Mayweather's skill & athletic ability (& with the women, mainly Mayweather).
I kinda agree with Althugs. Anyone who is wishing , hoping, suggesting less fans show up is pretty negative and should ask themselves why that is. Dont let your dislike for one fighter overtake your love for the sport. It kinda makes me sad to hear anyone say that on this board. It is negative and simply hating. Like the person or not, harping on what is good news for boxing is just, meh, sad..
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I am not dissing Mayweather (though my dislike for him is quite notorious, I gotta admit), I was simply answering the part where he says that he doesn't see any other boxing star at the moment dragging such a big crowd. Sure, it is good for boxing, if even the boxer I strongly dislikes can drag new amateurs it is damn good, new blood to share the love of the sport with and new people to disagree and agree with, I just found that he was going a bit far saying that no other stars at the moment can bring such big ppv on the table, that is all. Thus said, sorry if my post was confusing or something, my sole intention was to underline that Floyd wasn't the biggest drag in at the gate at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI cannot see how in any way that answers his question :-\. As long as BOTH Pacquiao & Mayweather bring new fans for boxing it cannot be a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWell, Manny Pacquiao brings more audience on the table than Mayweather and he's way more spectacular if it can answer your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
I think one mass assumption that people make is that 'casual' fans want to see people getting KO'd which isn't necessarily the case. All but 2 of the 12 people who came to mine last week to watch the fight were the definition of casual fans, some of who had never seen the fight. ALL of them came away excited by it, mainly Mayweather's skill & athletic ability (& with the women, mainly Mayweather).
I agree with that apart from the last sentence. I do think right now he is the biggest star in terms of bringing 'casual' fans in, although the Pacquiao/Cotto fight will tell us a lot about how close he & Pac are in terms of doing that. I would certainly say Pac has a bigger hardcore fanbase, but I think their respective numbers against the same opponents show Floyd is the bigger 'draw'. I do think they are the only 2 currently transcending the sport in any way, although Cotto is not far off & I suspect he does the same should he beat Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI am not dissing Mayweather (though my dislike for him is quite notorious, I gotta admit), I was simply answering the part where he says that he doesn't see any other boxing star at the moment dragging such a big crowd. Sure, it is good for boxing, if even the boxer I strongly dislikes can drag new amateurs it is damn good, new blood to share the love of the sport with and new people to disagree and agree with, I just found that he was going a bit far saying that no other stars at the moment can bring such big ppv on the table, that is all. Thus said, sorry if my post was confusing or something, my sole intention was to underline that Floyd wasn't the biggest drag in at the gate at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI cannot see how in any way that answers his question :-\. As long as BOTH Pacquiao & Mayweather bring new fans for boxing it cannot be a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
I think one mass assumption that people make is that 'casual' fans want to see people getting KO'd which isn't necessarily the case. All but 2 of the 12 people who came to mine last week to watch the fight were the definition of casual fans, some of who had never seen the fight. ALL of them came away excited by it, mainly Mayweather's skill & athletic ability (& with the women, mainly Mayweather).
PBF owes much of his PPV numbers to GBP insane marketing of this fight, and to HBO 24/7. And to his cracked out family.
He's as popular as O.J. Simpson, and about as well liked.
Let's ignore you choosing to compare a boxer to a man widely suspected of murder. Let's focus on you inability to differentiate between 'popular' and 'well liked'. (I'll give you a clue they mean the same thing)Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
I think Mayweather pulled off a marketing masterstroke with his appearances on 'Dancing with the Stars' and WWE programming. He put himself in the mainstream view and opened doors to new fans... in fact, I'm pretty sure that a lot of WWE fans shelled out cash to see his return to boxing, solely because he generated interest from them with his appearances there last year.
I think he has played the retirement ploy perfectly. He always knew he would come back, so did some of us, but the general Joe on the street bought it hook, line & sinker. I'm willing to bet that Mayweather would not have made nearly as much money from fighting Marquez straight after he beat Hatton, compared to fighting him now. What builds interest more than the return of a star? An unbeaten star at that... an unbeaten star that appeared on two very, very widely watched mainstream shows in America. The man knows how to play the game, in and out of the ring.
Floyd has increased his notoriety massively with his mainstream appearances, and all the while he was building anticipation with the speculation of his possible return. Just because someone is not a fan-favourite, does not mean they will not sell well (Many people seem to fail to grasp this point!). Fans enjoy enemies, Floyd knows this, we all do. You are just as likely to cheer for the loss of someone that you hate, as you are for the victory of someone that you adore. Mayweather always slotted into the bad-guy role, made himself appear like a prick, and the majority of people bought it all along, lining his pockets with just as much dough as fighters that are generally worshipped as Gods.
Floyd has his fans too of course, usually those that appreciate the sweet science at its most fluid and see passed his bad-boy antics (or maybe even appreciate them!) I have always enjoyed Floyd and how well he can rile people up, and of course once he steps foot in the ring it is like poetry in motion most of the time. A phenomenal talent, for real.
Good on him for being successful, in more ways than one.
My :twocents:
It's funny that people can claim he's not a draw or try to find ways around Mayweather selling so much; but tthe fact is how many PPV events has Mayweather been in? this record that Mayweather has set is in 6 PPV fights a lot less than fighters liuke Lennox etc and he has already surpassed them!
You cannot argue with the facts, I mean if Mayweather were to not fight the winner of Pac Cotto or Moseley I may no longer be a fan of the guy but I could not deny he is a HUGE draw to be the 4th ranked fighter for PPV in teh history of the sport means you are a HUGELY successful fighter!
The hate for Mayweather is amazing but not unexpected, the fighter I hated the most of all time is the one many feel to be the greatest of all time, I don't feel he was the greatest of all time but I did tune in just to watch him get his ass kicked and I was lucky enough to see it happen a few times. The Floyd haters has not seen that happen to him yet but it will come one day unless he retires for good in the next couple of years. Just keep on hating on Mayweather but in the end of it all he is and will be considered an ATG. The same goes for Manny but he will be considered an ATG also, even after Floyd beats him if his advisors allow him in the ring with Floyd which in my opinion is very doubtful.
I am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree with that apart from the last sentence. I do think right now he is the biggest star in terms of bringing 'casual' fans in, although the Pacquiao/Cotto fight will tell us a lot about how close he & Pac are in terms of doing that. I would certainly say Pac has a bigger hardcore fanbase, but I think their respective numbers against the same opponents show Floyd is the bigger 'draw'. I do think they are the only 2 currently transcending the sport in any way, although Cotto is not far off & I suspect he does the same should he beat Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI am not dissing Mayweather (though my dislike for him is quite notorious, I gotta admit), I was simply answering the part where he says that he doesn't see any other boxing star at the moment dragging such a big crowd. Sure, it is good for boxing, if even the boxer I strongly dislikes can drag new amateurs it is damn good, new blood to share the love of the sport with and new people to disagree and agree with, I just found that he was going a bit far saying that no other stars at the moment can bring such big ppv on the table, that is all. Thus said, sorry if my post was confusing or something, my sole intention was to underline that Floyd wasn't the biggest drag in at the gate at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Your talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree with that apart from the last sentence. I do think right now he is the biggest star in terms of bringing 'casual' fans in, although the Pacquiao/Cotto fight will tell us a lot about how close he & Pac are in terms of doing that. I would certainly say Pac has a bigger hardcore fanbase, but I think their respective numbers against the same opponents show Floyd is the bigger 'draw'. I do think they are the only 2 currently transcending the sport in any way, although Cotto is not far off & I suspect he does the same should he beat Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Boxing's Top Pay Per View Attractions
1. Oscar De La Hoya - $610.6 million on 12.6 million buys (18 events)
2. Mike Tyson - $545 million on 12.4 million buys (12 events)
3. Evander Holyfield - $543 million on 12.6 million buys (14 events)
4. Floyd Mayweather $355 Million Dollars on 7.15 Million Buys (6 events)
##(pre 9/19/09)
Floyd Mayweather $303 Million Dollars on 6.15 Million Buys (5 events)
(post 9/19/2009)
Floyd Mayweather $355 Million Dollars on 7.15 Million Buys (6 events)
Cotto is not a huge draw and neither is Pac. Margarito/Cotto if I'm not mistaken did less than 500,000 ppv buys. Pac-Diaz did less than 200,000 ppv buys. The U.S. general public doesn't know who they are. Hell even quite a lot of US boxing fans don't even know who they are. They are seen as 2 foreign and unknown fighters. It's mainly hardcore boxing fans that know who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeYour talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI am not sure Jaz, I think that Pacman has the hand over as well on the casual fan because of the excitement he smears all around, as it as been quoted below, I think that Floyd got a bit more excitement and used to sell a bit more because of the 24/7 and because of the way he got into rangeview with the WWE, Dancing with the stars etc. I still agree and am willing to admit that he drags more than what I wanted to say or think but still not enough to be compared to the Pacman in term of rentability and popularity. Not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Wow I did not know that the Pac diaz fight did not sell, But since then he's been in two big fights against Oscar and against Hatton surely he's a big draw now? and Cotto Is a big draw at the gate anyway if not PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogCotto is not a huge draw and neither is Pac. Margarito/Cotto if I'm not mistaken did less than 500,000 ppv buys. Pac-Diaz did less than 200,000 ppv buys. The U.S. general public doesn't know who they are. Hell even quite a lot of US boxing fans don't even know who they are. They are seen as 2 foreign and unknown fighters. It's mainly hardcore boxing fans that know who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeYour talking about your personal opinion and not the facts! Pacman is not in the top 10 all time PPV attractions despite the fact that every boxing fan knows he is more exciting than Floyd. (Not a better fighter) Floyd is 4th on that list, fourth! that means that he has to be considered the biggest PPV fighter out at the moment. in my opinion Pacmans next fight will do huge numbers close to or over a million aswell but the fact with that is Cotto is a huge draw and so is pac. when Floyd fought Marquez he was the huge draw Marquez is no huge draw!! Mayweather can do a million now fighting anybody! he is a huge draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Hatton became somewhat known in U.S. boxing circles after his fight with Floyd, and imo he was the reason why Pac-Cotto did 800,000+ ppv fights (there are a lot of British expats in the US also), De La Hoya was the main reason why DLH-Pac did 1.3 million buys not Pac. Pac by his name alone against other fighters did very poor numbers, I forgot what the exact ppv numbers were for Pac-Marquez 2, Pac-Mab 2, Pac-Morales 1-3, but they all did poor sales for an alleged superstar. Pac is a superstar in boxing, but that's it, he doesn't have widespread appeal to the American general public, same with Cotto, the Cotto-Pac fight may not even do 500,000 PPVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeWow I did not know that the Pac diaz fight did not sell, But since then he's been in two big fights against Oscar and against Hatton surely he's a big draw now? and Cotto Is a big draw at the gate anyway if not PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogCotto is not a huge draw and neither is Pac. Margarito/Cotto if I'm not mistaken did less than 500,000 ppv buys. Pac-Diaz did less than 200,000 ppv buys. The U.S. general public doesn't know who they are. Hell even quite a lot of US boxing fans don't even know who they are. They are seen as 2 foreign and unknown fighters. It's mainly hardcore boxing fans that know who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
I think it'll do more than that, well I hope anyway. having two huge PPV stars in boxing is good for the bussiness! and is the only hope of a fight ever replacing Mayweather V DLH atop the PPV rankings.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHatton became somewhat known in U.S. boxing circles after his fight with Floyd, and imo he was the reason why Pac-Cotto did 800,000+ ppv fights (there are a lot of British expats in the US also), De La Hoya was the main reason why DLH-Pac did 1.3 million buys not Pac. Pac by his name alone against other fighters did very poor numbers, I forgot what the exact ppv numbers were for Pac-Marquez 2, Pac-Mab 2, Pac-Morales 1-3, but they all did poor sales for an alleged superstar. Pac is a superstar in boxing, but that's it, he doesn't have widespread appeal to the American general public, same with Cotto, the Cotto-Pac fight may not even do 500,000 PPVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeWow I did not know that the Pac diaz fight did not sell, But since then he's been in two big fights against Oscar and against Hatton surely he's a big draw now? and Cotto Is a big draw at the gate anyway if not PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
See here is the thing.
Why do people see "casual" fans as a negative?
When we all got into boxing we were casual fans as compared to the others who watched boxing for years and it was usually one boxer that got us into it that we started watching. Not everyone who watches boxing can be in it for years because eventually you need to bring in new viewers.
People need to stop trying to monopolize boxing in what they want it to be and when it isn't they call it a bad sign. Why? Because it isn't your vision of what boxing should be? Start thinking of boxing as a business, as a business it knows that we can't be there forever, the people that watched it for years cannot be the ONLY number or demographic tuning into boxing, if boxing counted on only us it would be screwed. Boxing NEEDS to bring in new viewers asap to keep business running smoothly.
That is why both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are so important to boxing, because they bring in many casual boxing fans, sure some can be annoying to us that have watched boxing for years because of their lack of understanding of things, but regardless, it is what boxing needs.
Boxing needs to bring in more casual fans and Mayweather has done a WONDERFUL job of doing that. He branched out to other venues during his retirement getting his name out there and putting boxing wherever he was concerned back on the map. And I must say he couldn't have picked a more perfect time.
You should have seen the internet, we had so many journalists, come even claiming they worked for boxing sites(now working for MMA sites) saying how boxing is dead and Mayweather couldn't revive it and all this other crap and cra. But you know what, thanks to those casual viewers, Boxing just got 1 mill in PPV buys proving it isnt and shutting any detractors up and we have Mayweather and his genius of a marketing mind do that.
Whether you like it or not Mayweather brings in a lot of casual fans nowadays and apparently more then Pacquiao does. Whether or not you see it as a bad sign is irrelevant, boxing NEEDS more casual viewers to get into the sport as a whole if they want to keep business going and that's just how it is.
Of course boxing needs casual viewers to replenish and build their fan base, but most of the young talent isn't shown enough on regular local tv or basic cable, it seems that the premium channels like HBO and Showtime have monopolize this for years. I remember 10 years ago I saw Juan Manuel Marquez fighting on local tv, I still remember when Tyson came out of prison and his fight against Buster Mathis was shown on regular Fox channel. Boxing needs to do things like that like have good talent on regular local tv or have the one really good fight to reach an wider audience. Yes we do have the internet, but tv is also important. I mean other sports like MLB, NBA, NFL, you can watch their best talents for free, but boxing you have to pay at least some sort of service to watch them. WHich is a bad business model to attract those casual viewer who will then become hardcore fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Boxing has gone along way since the days of Barry McGuigan getting 19 million viewers fighting Eusebio Pedroza in a soccer stadium.
What number is Floyd on the list of actual viewers? Pretty lowdown I would have thought.
If you're not interested in discussing a fighter's PPV sales... then don't discuss them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mao's Favourite StarlingWho the fu*k cares about how many people watched a fight if it was a dreadful fight!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Job done, simple as. :cool::rolleyes:
I know it's true largely because of Pay Per View I'll doubt we'll ever see a big fight wit 19 million viewers ever again! unless boxing goes back to free to air television stations permanently! A new business model is required, if only there was a way to get rid of PPV fights boxing could easily become one of the most successful sports again as it's not that people find it not entertaining it's that it is not accessible.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
I mean in england they had Prem Plus which was a Pay Per View Soccer/ Football channel soccer is the national sport and this channel still flopped! people already pay subscriptions for their satelite or cable they do not want to pay an additional fee for a sport.
Pay Per View is Killing Boxing! this doesn't detract from the fact that Floyd is clearly the biggest draw in the current climate.
Fair enough Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNooo!!! Not the miles has turned bitter thing again! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzMan, you are so bitter recently - The fact that he is now the 4th biggest draw ever is good for boxing right now. I don't see any other stars at the moment, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I was the first one to shake my head when I heard that he weighed in 4lbs more than Marquez but you're actually saying people SHOULDN'T have tuned in and that "it's not a good sign"??
Listen to yourself! A lot of these buyers were probably casual fans so how the hell is it not a good sign that we are bringing more casual fans to the sport of boxing??
More fans to boxing = "not a good sign"?...ok then :rolleyes:
I agree that it's a good thing that boxing has an audience, but I also think that if that audience is forking out nigh on 50 dollars to watch a fight then it should be Mayweather taking on a serious challenge and against an opponent who can actually compete at his weight. I felt that the Mayweather/Marquez fight was a bit of a con all in all. Boxing can make better matchups than that and a paying public deserves better than that too.
I understand your point but as long as the general public enjoyed it (and I think they did), that is the main thing because they won't feel conned.
I see why you feel conned but again, you're thinking as a hardcore fan.
My girlfriend stayed up to watch the fight with me and even though it wasn't the most action packed fight, she thought it was great. Due to Floyd's speed, agility and dominance etc.
She doesn't really know the first thing about boxing and I imagine if she enjoyed it, then a whole heap of other casual fans did as well.
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Originally Posted by Oggie
PBF isn't smart enough to plan all this marketing. He's been fortunate for the type of promotions he's been in, and is enjoying a Jon and Kate, tabloid celebrity status. He's known but not as a fan favorite, and he didn't plan it. No more did Brittany Spears plan here personal life meltdown to make her more of a superstar. Floyd is an amazing athlete, but he's not a smart guy, if so he wouldn't be getting cars repo'd and his record company would be making money.
Just can't stand to here all the Mayweather fans constantly saying how he's such a genius. He's an underachiever. He should be Michael Jordan, and instead he's Allen Iverson. His talent is unmatched, but his popularity is mediocre.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinLet's ignore you choosing to compare a boxer to a man widely suspected of murder. Let's focus on you inability to differentiate between 'popular' and 'well liked'. (I'll give you a clue they mean the same thing)Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
I meant famous, instead of popular. Good catch.
Yeah man. Mayweather is far from a boring fighter at 140 and lower, but you're absolutely right about the De la Hoya and Baldomir fights. Those were real snooze fests. These two fights made me not want to ever buy a Mayweather PPV again.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
I watched Mayweather/Marquez on the internet. He won is an impression fashion so I decided that I'll pay for his next ppv bout if the opponent is a worthy one.
First things first, we don't know how smart Floyd really is. All we see of him comes through the camera lens. In the man's own words before the De La Hoya fight; "I know I always have to play the bad guy to sell tickets."Quote:
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Originally Posted by Oggie
PBF isn't smart enough to plan all this marketing. He's been fortunate for the type of promotions he's been in, and is enjoying a Jon and Kate, tabloid celebrity status. He's known but not as a fan favorite, and he didn't plan it. No more did Brittany Spears plan here personal life meltdown to make her more of a superstar. Floyd is an amazing athlete, but he's not a smart guy, if so he wouldn't be getting cars repo'd and his record company would be making money.
Just can't stand to here all the Mayweather fans constantly saying how he's such a genius. He's an underachiever. He should be Michael Jordan, and instead he's Allen Iverson. His talent is unmatched, but his popularity is mediocre.
The fact is, Floyd is a terrific bad guy. Just like movies need heroes and villains, as does professional wrestling, boxing does too if you look at it as a business. Who inspires more hatred than Mayweather? Why does he talk trash about his opponent in the months leading up to the fight, then suddenly become all respectful and nice to them straight after? He is playing a role and maximizing his profits, and it's working. If you don't like the guy, congratulations, he got you. ;)