Roman Polanski. Why are people sympathectic to this guy?

I dont get it. He drugged and raped a 13 year old girl, pled guilty and then ran to another country before being sentenced. I dont get why the media gives this guy a pass cause it happened a long time ago and he is a good director. These same news people were still bashing Michael Jackson years after he showed up to court and proclaimed his innocence after being accused of something similar. And even though he was found not guilty they continued to say horrible things about him and call him a peadophile and predator... But this Polanski guy ran like a coward and got to enjoy a great career and new life without facing the music. This CNN news guy just said, well it was 30 years ago and he has a new family now..etc...It seems that more and more the news is becoming almost all opinion and no facts. F@ck The Pianist, I fell asleep during that sh@t.

Sex with a minor is wrong, but drugged and raped? Pedophile? Lets not over dramatize. Who know how old she seemed. Anyways, not to excuse what he did, but he was obviously totally fucked up over the murder of his wife at the hands of the Charles Manson crowd.

Your wife being murdered is no reason for drugging and sodimising an underage girl. I like some of Polanski's films but have no sympathy for that kind of behaviour.

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Your wife being murdered is no reason for drugging and sodimising an underage girl. I like some of Polanski's films but have no sympathy for that kind of behaviour.

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Exactly, someone like that gotta pay for it like anyone else... The fact is it wasn't sex or relations like that, he actually abused her...... If you think of what that does to the girl, then it shouldn't make any difference if he's a direction or a heroin junkie now, he should get the same punishment...


Certainly not any sympathy just because he has what is considered a highly respectable and appreciated position in our society as a director...

Of course he probably is a great guy these days to everyone, but that's not the point.. Jails probably have plenty of great guys who've done one dumb thing, but you do something that takes that much away from another human being, it doesn't matter what else you have going for you, you gotta pay..

Hollywood always forgives "genius"...ever wonder how Woody Allen keeps making movies after what he's done?

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Your wife being murdered is no reason for drugging and sodimising an underage girl. I like some of Polanski's films but have no sympathy for that kind of behaviour.

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With regards to his wife, well like i said, it wasn't to excuse or sympathize with the behaviour, but it does provide some insight into his state of mind, if that sort of thing interests you. He was a normal guy at one point, and he has zero history of this kind of thing.

As for the drugging bit, it's more like he gave them to her, and she took them. Yeah it's wrong, but it's not like he slipped something into her drink to incapacitate her.

Forget the anal sex part, unless you consider that to be somehow worse than the "normal variety", in which case you're getting moral.

Anyways, I'll repeat my point, this time pay attention. Yes what he did was dead wrong, it was also a crime. But the conviction was for unlawful sex with a minor, not for rape. I see a difference. It wasn't your typical act of violence. A rapist he ain't. So there's no need to portray this as being any worse than it already was. You might consider what the victim herself has to say about it. "An unpleasant memory...but I can live with it.., he made a mistake,... but he's paid his dues and he's not a danger to society"

The media do seem to give him a free pass and yeah, it could because of catherine tate.

I think the reason that Jacko couldn't shake it off is because of hos much he was in the spot light... the media and most of the people they serve are vultures who love to watch somebody go down crashing asn burnung and Polanski didn't have that level of exposure.

....what if that 13 year old was your daughter?

Obviously you'd want to tear his throat out but you should also be angry at yourself for allowing your daughter anywhere near that situation.

No chance in hell would anybody photograph my daughter without me being 100% present, especially not some artsy shoot for vogue.

....Polanski gave her qualudes and then slept with her

As for him being screwed up from his wifes death, that is no excuse and I dont buy it. He was known to have had affairs with other women and didnt see her that often at the time she was murdered. But thats not the point and doesnt prove anything. But Polanki directed some of his greatest films like Chinatown after he murder and before he raped this girl. He made a conscious decision to take advantage of a 13 year old, sexually. He was a grown man then, hes a grown man now. I dont care if he the nicest guy in the world today. He never did his time for that. He ran and is still trying to get away with not facing his own criminal sentencing...I think Charlie Manson is eligable for parole soon. Should have to go in front of the board or should they just send him to France so he can enjoy life cause after all those murders were 30+ years ago now, and im sure hes a nice lad now.

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....Polanski gave her qualudes and then slept with her

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Your point being?

As much as Polanski is obviously to blame... with parental supervision (which as I've said... should really have been given if your 13 year old daughter is doing a fashion shoot for vogue, especially as she openly said she had misgivings about polanski during the first of the two shoots) it couldn't of been allowed to happen.

So her mother brought her around for famous people to have sex with her what does that matter?....it doesn't change the law, all that does is make the girl's mother an accomplice. Even if it was consensual it's against the law due to her age at the time.

Being a good film producer doesn't make you a good human being. I don't know Roman Polanski's life very much beside the Tate episode, his relationship with the 13 years old girl, his movies and that is pretty much everything meaningful that I know.
Does is wife incident screwed him psychologically? Assuredly, and I think that we would all seriously be if we would have been him. Does it excuse what he did? Assuredly not; being depressed and in need of psychological help doesn't excuse you for putting Winny dingy into a 13 years old virgin thingie; If he did feel the urge to to so, he had the perfect excuse to go see a psychologist a.s.a.p before getting any further into his depression.
Thus said, they did interviewed the girl to which it happened (now 45) and she says she's in favor to stop the procedures against him, I think that it sould too be taken in consideration in his case though it doesn't excuse what he did before.

He's the same as Michael Jackson as far as I'm concerned. Both were accused of something, but their 'genius' & the fact they've had horrific stuff happen to them in their lives is seen as a reason for their 'innocence' to their supporters or a justification.

I feel sorry for both for the stuff that happened (MJ's stuff with his Dad, Polanski's mother being killed in Auschwitz & the murder of his wife & unborn child), but it doesn't excuse what happened later. The only difference I'd not is that Jackson's 'alleged' victims wanted him prosecuted, whilst Polanski's just wants it to be let go. As far as I'm concerned, they both belonged in jail (cue MJ fans saying 'he was never found guilty in a court of law').

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Sex with a minor is wrong, but drugged and raped? Pedophile? Lets not over dramatize. Who know how old she seemed. Anyways, not to excuse what he did, but he was obviously totally fucked up over the murder of his wife at the hands of the Charles Manson crowd.

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Of course he's a pedophile, how can giving drugs to a 13 year old and then fucking her in the bum possibly be justified under any circumstances?

He should get at least 5 or 6 years, it sends out a terrible example.

He's actually far worse than that Geofrey Leonard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSB4sQGT_4

This guy is a seen as a monster and evil to the core yet he did no worse than Polanski. Of his two 'victim's one was 16 so of perfectly legal age to be butt fucked with decency, and his younger 13 year old brother voluntarily went to the house for some mutual sucky time.

The only difference is Geoffrey didn't flee the country when convicted but accepted the charges, and went to court and was charged.

Fuck Roman Polanski, if it was ok to ply a 13 yr old girl with drinks and then pound her bum hole everyone would be doing it.

The whole point is that it isn't and therefore he should get punished.

And lets not forget he also fucked Nastassja Kinski at 15 too. He liked them young, don't get me wrong, if I could get away I'd fuck a 15 year old Kinski too, she was smoking hot back in the day, but it's wrong and you can't get away with it.

Fuck Polanski, stick in the slammer and let him die in jail.

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Sex with a minor is wrong, but drugged and raped? Pedophile? Lets not over dramatize. Who know how old she seemed. Anyways, not to excuse what he did, but he was obviously totally fucked up over the murder of his wife at the hands of the Charles Manson crowd.

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Of course he's a pedophile, how can giving drugs to a 13 year old and then fucking her in the bum possibly be justified under any circumstances?

He should get at least 5 or 6 years, it sends out a terrible example.

He's actually far worse than that Geofrey Leonard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSB4sQGT_4

This guy is a seen as a monster and evil to the core yet he did no worse than Polanski. Of his two 'victim's one was 16 so of perfectly legal age to be butt fucked with decency, and his younger 13 year old brother voluntarily went to the house for some mutual sucky time.

The only difference is Geoffrey didn't flee the country when convicted but accepted the charges, and went to court and was charged.

Fuck Roman Polanski, if it was ok to ply a 13 yr old girl with drinks and then pound her bum hole everyone would be doing it.

The whole point is that it isn't and therefore he should get punished.

And lets not forget he also fucked Nastassja Kinski at 15 too. He liked them young, don't get me wrong, if I could get away I'd fuck a 15 year old Kinski too, she was smoking hot back in the day, but it's wrong and you can't get away with it.

Fuck Polanski, stick in the slammer and let him die in jail.

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Wait... so you wouldn't do it because you couldn't get away with it? :-\

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Originally Posted by CGM

Sex with a minor is wrong, but drugged and raped? Pedophile? Lets not over dramatize. Who know how old she seemed. Anyways, not to excuse what he did, but he was obviously totally fucked up over the murder of his wife at the hands of the Charles Manson crowd.

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Of course he's a pedophile, how can giving drugs to a 13 year old and then fucking her in the bum possibly be justified under any circumstances?

He should get at least 5 or 6 years, it sends out a terrible example.

He's actually far worse than that Geofrey Leonard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSB4sQGT_4
This guy is a seen as a monster and evil to the core yet he did no worse than Polanski. Of his two 'victim's one was 16 so of perfectly legal age to be butt fucked with decency, and his younger 13 year old brother voluntarily went to the house for some mutual sucky time.

The only difference is Geoffrey didn't flee the country when convicted but accepted the charges, and went to court and was charged.

Fuck Roman Polanski, if it was ok to ply a 13 yr old girl with drinks and then pound her bum hole everyone would be doing it.

The whole point is that it isn't and therefore he should get punished.

And lets not forget he also fucked Nastassja Kinski at 15 too. He liked them young, don't get me wrong, if I could get away I'd fuck a 15 year old Kinski too, she was smoking hot back in the day, but it's wrong and you can't get away with it.

Fuck Polanski, stick in the slammer and let him die in jail.

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Wait... so you wouldn't do it because you couldn't get away with it? :-\

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Mate if the law said it was ok to fuck a 15 year old Nastassja Kinski and she was up for it I'd happily plough her beanfield guiltfree.

But the age of consent is 16 and so therefore I wouldn't go there.

In fact as I'm now 35 I wouldn't have sex with anyone under 18, would feel a bit weird even for me.

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So her mother brought her around for famous people to have sex with her what does that matter?....it doesn't change the law, all that does is make the girl's mother an accomplice. Even if it was consensual it's against the law due to her age at the time.

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Sorry.. what? I don't recall ever saying that because her parents fucked up and allowed her into that situation that it some how made polanski and his actions innocent and legal.

You asked how I would feel if it was my daughter... I told you obviously I would feel a great deal of anger towards roman polanski, because he is the criminal here... but assuming my head wasn't stuck up my arse I'd also regret my failings in putting her into that position and know that a small part of the responsibility lay with me.

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make with your posts lyle, but unless I am wrong you seem to think I'm trying to defend Polanski's actions?

A massive majority of the fault is polanski's (obviously) but a tiny bit of it is down to retarded parents acting ignorantly and not responsibly as parents. That clear enough? :)

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So her mother brought her around for famous people to have sex with her what does that matter?....it doesn't change the law, all that does is make the girl's mother an accomplice. Even if it was consensual it's against the law due to her age at the time.

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Sorry.. what? I don't recall ever saying that because her parents fucked up and allowed her into that situation that it some how made polanski and his actions innocent and legal.

You asked how I would feel if it was my daughter... I told you obviously I would feel a great deal of anger towards roman polanski, because he is the criminal here... but assuming my head wasn't stuck up my arse I'd also regret my failings in putting her into that position and know that a small part of the responsibility lay with me.

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make with your posts lyle, but unless I am wrong you seem to think I'm trying to defend Polanski's actions?

A massive majority of the fault is polanski's (obviously) but a tiny bit of it is down to retarded parents acting ignorantly and not responsibly as parents. That clear enough? :)

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It's not often Adam and I will agree, but this is one of those times.

Also let's be real, he fucked a 13 yr old, he fucked a 15 yr old, both these cases are proven and established, how many underage kids do you need to fuck to be considered a danger to minors?

Of course he should be extradited back to the US to face charges. The guy is a convicted pedophile.

"You're not going"

That's all the girl's parents had to say, yes they have some blame they were the enablers here. You're not actually disagreeing with Adam there Bilbo btw I would reread his whole post. I don't get how there isn't enough blame to go around for the parents they definitely weren't victims and yeah you know you have a beautiful 13 year old daughter who's body is more mature then her age, they knew the dangers involved.

Polanski, I haven't heard anything about this case other then what I've heard over the years, this type of thing is disgusting to me. I don't care WHAT happens, if you know 1000 people and 1000 people all die, then have a death wish not an excuse to do whatever you want.

Grown men should not be having sex with little girls, period. I'm 19 now and I don't think I could ever reason having sex with a 15 year old, at this point in my life it's not right for me to do. This guy was waaaaaaaaaaaay older then me, that's a simple thing of right or wrong. Is there sympathy for this guy? I don't know why, I've never seen his movies.

Hollywood and stardom in general has a very distorted sense of privilege to it. Just another disgusting example of it by anyone supporting him and not feeling he should be prosecuted. If it was Joe Smoe around the corner and certain people were suggesting he be given leniancy, everyone else would be appalled.

despite what some representative persons (one minister) said in France, most of the people think what Polanski did is and still unacceptable.

you cannot take advantage of a 13years old, never ever ever !! even if she's alone with you to be photographed or something else. She's a teen, she's not fully aware and responsible of what can happen, as an adult you are !! and this is insane to even think there's explanation in this. my simpathy goes to the victim and not Polanski in this case.

The problem in this story, and one of the part why some people "understand" why Polanski escaped from the US, is because there were an "plea agreement" that was not fully respected by US court (from what media told here in France).

Still, maybe a confrontation with his victim, would be any good, but prison at this stage wouldn't mean anything (IMO). I just think he should be banned to work with or approach any child. in any country.

Mr Bilbo : the sexual majority in France is 15 years old. but as you said, having sex with anyone under 18 should seems wrong to any person above 30. (IMO)

My post was in response to this...

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Obviously you'd want to tear his throat out but you should also be angry at yourself for allowing your daughter anywhere near that situation.

No chance in hell would anybody photograph my daughter without me being 100% present, especially not some artsy shoot for vogue.

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I didn't know if you knew about the actual case, it wasn't about a photoshoot it was about Polanski drugging and having sex with a minor. And the parents allowed that situation to happen in hopes that they would gain access to famous people or their daughter would become famous (which is ridiculous). I think Polanski and the parents are guilty of this crime, but the main thing is the reason they went after Polanski for so long is because he PLEAD GUILTY for the crime and then ran away.

I was just trying to make sure you understood what was actually going on.

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Mate if the law said it was ok to fuck a 15 year old Nastassja Kinski and she was up for it I'd happily plough her beanfield guiltfree.

But the age of consent is 16 and so therefore I wouldn't go there.

In fact as I'm now 35 I wouldn't have sex with anyone under 18, would feel a bit weird even for me.

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Well, I'm certainly not defending him here, as now being 23, I wouldn't get with any girl under the age of 18, but I'm guessing if got with Kinski in either Poland or France, he was in fact NOT breaking the law as the age of consent in both countries is 15, in fact in Spain I believe it is 13.

But for me, it's more of a moral issue, as you know fucking young girls is... well, you know... disturbed & wrong. I think once I got to the age of 17, the idea of shagging a 15 year old became disgusting to me.

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Mate if the law said it was ok to fuck a 15 year old Nastassja Kinski and she was up for it I'd happily plough her beanfield guiltfree.

But the age of consent is 16 and so therefore I wouldn't go there.

In fact as I'm now 35 I wouldn't have sex with anyone under 18, would feel a bit weird even for me.

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Well, I'm certainly not defending him here, as now being 23, I wouldn't get with any girl under the age of 18, but I'm guessing if got with Kinski in either Poland or France, he was in fact NOT breaking the law as the age of consent in both countries is 15, in fact in Spain I believe it is 13.

But for me, it's more of a moral issue, as you know fucking young girls is... well, you know... disturbed & wrong. I think once I got to the age of 17, the idea of shagging a 15 year old became disgusting to me.

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Yeah I agree pretty much. I do think there is a world of difference between fucking a prepubescent child not yet in her teens than a young teen though.

I mean a true pedophile I guess is someone who goes for children, at least 15 year old girls, and some 13 year olds are actually sexually developing and look like young women.

Not that it in any way excuses having sex with them, but I can at least understand being attracted to a young teen girl whereas a child is just plain disturbing.

The law needs to be tough though, very few men would want to have sex with a child but let's be completely honest here, if society said it was ok and not really that serious to have sex with a 15 year old girl many more men would be doing it.

You only have to see how young celebrities are treated as soon as they become of legal age in the media. Prior to that day they are just kids, but the second they hit the legal age the press will be full of photo's of them showing their muff's in the backseat of cars, upskirt and nipple slip pics etc.

It wasn't that the world saw them as children one day and the next they suddenly became a young hot woman overnight of course not. The media were counting down the days before they could turn Emma Watson into a magazine selling sex lolita for example and had the legal age been 15 they would have started on her 15th birthday.

That's why its so important for Polanski to be prosecuted imo, to send out a message that underage sex is not cool and ok, because in many ways girls just below the legal age of consent are far more at risk of being seduced by average men than kids.

Celebrities can get away with a lot more than us normal people, they can go much further. It seems that only Gary Glitter has truly passed the threshold and become a universally hated celebrity... others will always have sympathizers, seemingly regardless of the severity of the crime.

It's pretty messed up all right. Here in Ireland a few years ago the husband of a famous TV chef (Darina Allen) was charged and pled guilty to having almost 1000 pornographic images of children on his PC. What did he get? A slap on the wrists; Community service, a €40,000 fine (nothing to millionaires) and placement on the sex offenders register (Ooooh, that'll show him!)
He basically got off scot-free because of celebrity status.

It seems that artistic genius can almost be interpreted as a type of get out of jail free card, as sympathizers usually use that as an excuse for having an imbalance in judgment.
Now lets have a show of hands from people who think that, although he murdered two innocent young girls, Ian Huntley was a fantastic janitor... a genius at cleaning if you will.
Doesn't sound right, does it? :-\

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Celebrities can get away with a lot more than us normal people, they can go much further. It seems that only Gary Glitter has truly passed the threshold and become a universally hated celebrity... others will always have sympathizers, seemingly regardless of the severity of the crime.

It's pretty messed up all right. Here in Ireland a few years ago the husband of a famous TV chef (Darina Allen) was charged and pled guilty to having almost 1000 pornographic images of children on his PC. What did he get? A slap on the wrists; Community service, a €40,000 fine (nothing to millionaires) and placement on the sex offenders register (Ooooh, that'll show him!)
He basically got off scot-free because of celebrity status.

It seems that artistic genius can almost be interpreted as a type of get out of jail free card, as sympathizers usually use that as an excuse for having an imbalance in judgment.
Now lets have a show of hands from people who think that, although he murdered two innocent young girls, Ian Huntley was a fantastic janitor... a genius at cleaning if you will.
Doesn't sound right, does it? :-\

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very good post Oggie! poloanski raped a 13 yr old the end! he should be in jail! all these actors & actresses who work with him should be ashamed of themselves! they should refuse to work with him!

...the justice system is a joke, and this is great way to show that the risk vs reward factor in this country is just as funny. I would never go through the trouble of calling the police and sitting through court if someone touched on of my children. I would grab my pistol and blow thier teeth into the wall behind them and take my chances on the run.........obviously my chances would be pretty good.

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Hollywood always forgives "genius"...ever wonder how Woody Allen keeps making movies after what he's done?

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Ha ha ha! very good, but i dont think its anyones business what mia farrow does with that chinese dude woody allen brought home. Peter Griffen is a genius!

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Celebrities can get away with a lot more than us normal people, they can go much further. It seems that only Gary Glitter has truly passed the threshold and become a universally hated celebrity... others will always have sympathizers, seemingly regardless of the severity of the crime.

It's pretty messed up all right. Here in Ireland a few years ago the husband of a famous TV chef (Darina Allen) was charged and pled guilty to having almost 1000 pornographic images of children on his PC. What did he get? A slap on the wrists; Community service, a €40,000 fine (nothing to millionaires) and placement on the sex offenders register (Ooooh, that'll show him!)
He basically got off scot-free because of celebrity status.

It seems that artistic genius can almost be interpreted as a type of get out of jail free card, as sympathizers usually use that as an excuse for having an imbalance in judgment.
Now lets have a show of hands from people who think that, although he murdered two innocent young girls, Ian Huntley was a fantastic janitor... a genius at cleaning if you will.
Doesn't sound right, does it? :-\

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very good post Oggie! poloanski raped a 13 yr old the end! he should be in jail! all these actors & actresses who work with him should be ashamed of themselves! they should refuse to work with him!

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100% right my friend. The likes of whoopi goldberg and debra messing need a good slap and an introduction to the real world. Just because a certain amount of time has elapsed dont mean shit. Should the authorities not have chased down that b*****d who killed the 3 civil rights workers in mississippi in the 60s just because it was so long ago? Or Gary Ridgeway because he hadnt murdered in years. Murder is murder, rape is rape and personally i wouldnt waste the price of a bullet on him. Throw him into a room full of angry women

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So her mother brought her around for famous people to have sex with her what does that matter?....it doesn't change the law, all that does is make the girl's mother an accomplice. Even if it was consensual it's against the law due to her age at the time.

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Natilie Wood's mother pimped her out to get famous.

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Hollywood and stardom in general has a very distorted sense of privilege to it. Just another disgusting example of it by anyone supporting him and not feeling he should be prosecuted. If it was Joe Smoe around the corner and certain people were suggesting he be given leniancy, everyone else would be appalled.

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let's not forget that there are a large number of people who are quite happy to get used and abused by these people just so they are famous by association.

I'm certainly not trying to justify or excuse what Polanski did, but in a recent documentary film about this case i'm pretty sure (well not really) the girls mother knew she was already having sex, taking drugs and attending adult parties and the like.

The guy doesn't have a history of being a predatory peado preying on young girls, right?

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Hollywood and stardom in general has a very distorted sense of privilege to it. Just another disgusting example of it by anyone supporting him and not feeling he should be prosecuted. If it was Joe Smoe around the corner and certain people were suggesting he be given leniancy, everyone else would be appalled.

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let's not forget that there are a large number of people who are quite happy to get used and abused by these people just so they are famous by association.

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Ya well I don't buy any part of that as a justification. It is kinda like saying, that poor Bernard Madoff, him and his kind have all sortsa people coming to them throwing money hoping to get rich. Except worse, cuz it's a childs innocence being taken and that can't ever be replaced.

I know you're not condoning it, but also I just don't see the justification at all.

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I'm certainly not trying to justify or excuse what Polanski did, but in a recent documentary film about this case i'm pretty sure (well not really) the girls mother knew she was already having sex, taking drugs and attending adult parties and the like.

The guy doesn't have a history of being a predatory peado preying on young girls, right?

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& we all know those in Hollywood live like priests. Hang on, that's not right.:-\

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Hollywood and stardom in general has a very distorted sense of privilege to it. Just another disgusting example of it by anyone supporting him and not feeling he should be prosecuted. If it was Joe Smoe around the corner and certain people were suggesting he be given leniancy, everyone else would be appalled.

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let's not forget that there are a large number of people who are quite happy to get used and abused by these people just so they are famous by association.

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Ya well I don't buy any part of that as a justification. It is kinda like saying, that poor Bernard Madoff, him and his kind have all sortsa people coming to them throwing money hoping to get rich. Except worse, cuz it's a childs innocence being taken and that can't ever be replaced.

I know you're not condoning it, but also I just don't see the justification at all.

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You're right I not condoning what I did but where was the partental responsibility in letting her go to him? It doesn't give him a right to do what he wants but we also know those in Hollywood are judged differently and people offer themselves up to be part of the in-crowd.

Hell it happens in the playground, the geeky kid who wants to fit in.

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let's not forget that there are a large number of people who are quite happy to get used and abused by these people just so they are famous by association.

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Ya well I don't buy any part of that as a justification. It is kinda like saying, that poor Bernard Madoff, him and his kind have all sortsa people coming to them throwing money hoping to get rich. Except worse, cuz it's a childs innocence being taken and that can't ever be replaced.

I know you're not condoning it, but also I just don't see the justification at all.

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You're right I not condoning what I did but where was the partental responsibility in letting her go to him? It doesn't give him a right to do what he wants but we also know those in Hollywood are judged differently and people offer themselves up to be part of the in-crowd.

Hell it happens in the playground, the geeky kid who wants to fit in.

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Hey, no problem spreading the blame around. Parent, people associated. Anyone who wasn't looking out for a minor. Anyone who turned the other cheek. Just needs to be a careful line not to cross, in blaming the kid in any way, or forgiving him in any way.

It is slippery slope which eventually leads to some form of..."yea, she was only 10, but dressed like a whore, so" and that is the typical predator mindset for doing what they do. "They wanted it."

Know what I mean?

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Ya well I don't buy any part of that as a justification. It is kinda like saying, that poor Bernard Madoff, him and his kind have all sortsa people coming to them throwing money hoping to get rich. Except worse, cuz it's a childs innocence being taken and that can't ever be replaced.

I know you're not condoning it, but also I just don't see the justification at all.

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You're right I not condoning what I did but where was the partental responsibility in letting her go to him? It doesn't give him a right to do what he wants but we also know those in Hollywood are judged differently and people offer themselves up to be part of the in-crowd.

Hell it happens in the playground, the geeky kid who wants to fit in.

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Hey, no problem spreading the blame around. Parent, people associated. Anyone who wasn't looking out for a minor. Anyone who turned the other cheek. Just needs to be a careful line not to cross, in blaming the kid in any way, or forgiving him in any way.

It is slippery slope which eventually leads to some form of..."yea, she was only 10, but dressed like a whore, so" and that is the typical predator mindset for doing what they do. "They wanted it."

Know what I mean?

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That would be Bilbo.:cool: